Eat my flesh, drink my blood, discerning the body and blood of Christ.

[Marymog]

John 8:43
Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

Why do ye not answer my or Paul's questions?

You crack me up.......

 

[Marymog]

Curious how would you say one becomes drunken by taking before another his own supper in pertaining to the Lords Table?
1 Corinthians 11:21 For in eating every one takes before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.

By drinking too much wine?

 

[RedFan]

Matthew 13:34
All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:

Ah. So I was mistaken about you thinking not every word Christ spoke was parabolic. You view Matt. 13:34 as much more than a descriptor of just His ship-to-shore speech in Galilee. You view it as a descriptor of everything He ever said.

 

[Marymog]

Amen, @Stewardofthemystery.

"Give us this day our daily Bread." Christ is our daily Living Bread and Living Water. This Bread is the Word of God, and the Word of God is Jesus.

Revelation 19:13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

Nope, not true. He made very clear what the bread is in His bread of life discourse. It is Him. He is the bread that we must eat.....Just like He said which is opposite of what your men have taught you and what you just wrote.

He told YOU what to do: I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.” But you still didn't listen.

He showed YOU how to do it at the last supper AKA lords supper: this (bread) is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. He showed you how to do it, but you still deny Him.

And the NT Christians did what he told them and showed them to do in remembrance of Him DAILY: So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart,. You and your ilk do not act like NT Christians. You act like 16th century Christians.

And Paul re-affirmed it 30 years later with admonishment and affirmation: When you come together, it is not really to eat the Lord’s supper. The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be answerable for the body and blood of the Lord. Your answer to Paul is NO, communion is not a participation in the body/blood of Christ.

You can't eat and drink what you Protestants call a "symbol" in an unworthy matter!

 

[Marymog]

Ah. So I was mistaken about you thinking not every word Christ spoke was parabolic. You view Matt. 13:34 as much more than a descriptor of just His ship-to-shore speech in Galilee. You view it as a descriptor of everything He ever said.

That's the way I understand his view also.....

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

You can't eat and drink what you Protestants call a "symbol" in an unworthy matter!

1 Corinthians 8:8
But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.

 

[RedFan]

1 Corinthians 8:8
But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.

Are you a vegetarian or a carnivore? Either way, what has this to do with the topic at hand?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Are you a vegetarian or a carnivore? Either way, what has this to do with the topic at hand?

Do you really think eating a wafer and drinking grape juice gives you Eternal life?

 

[RedFan]

Do you really think eating a wafer and drinking grape juice gives you Eternal life?

I think eating the body and drinking the blood of Christ in communion with believers does accomplish that, by appropriating the benefits of the sacrifice of Christ. Here's why:

Think back to Israel’s historic practice of consuming the flesh of sin offerings. The same God who demanded sacrifice as the price of forgiving sin also prescribed that the flesh be consumed, Lev. 6:29―not because He couldn’t see perfectly good meat going to waste, but because it was a means of communion for His chosen people. It still is. God still holds to the original insistence that without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin (Heb. 9:22). The difference now is that His injunction against consuming that blood (Gen. 9:4, Deut. 12:23) has been partly lifted; He now enjoins the opposite on us when it comes to the blood of Christ (John 6:53).

Blood was sacred to God because it contained the victim’s life essence (Lev. 17:10-13). And that is precisely why we are commanded to drink the blood of Christ, which contains the victim’s eternal life essence. Only if Christ is really present in these elements will this be fulfilled. Say that it’s just wine, that the meal is commemorative only, and this benefit is lost. Real Presence was orthodox doctrine in the early Church for this reason.

(By the way, what's up with the grape juice comment? Its wine, not grape juice, that is involved in the Eucharistic meal.)

 

[Marymog]

Do you really think eating a wafer and drinking grape juice gives you Eternal life?

Yes, because He said so: Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life;

And Paul affirms it: The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

 

[Marymog]

(By the way, what's up with the grape juice comment? Its wine, not grape juice, that is involved in the Eucharistic meal.)

I know, right? I don't get it either. I wish @Stewardofthemystery would explain......I have a feeling he won't.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

I think eating the body and drinking the blood of Christ in communion with believers does accomplish that, by appropriating the benefits of the sacrifice of Christ. Here's why:

Think back to Israel’s historic practice of consuming the flesh of sin offerings. The same God who demanded sacrifice as the price of forgiving sin also prescribed that the flesh be consumed, Lev. 6:29―not because He couldn’t see perfectly good meat going to waste, but because it was a means of communion for His chosen people. It still is. God still holds to the original insistence that without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin (Heb. 9:22). The difference now is that His injunction against consuming that blood (Gen. 9:4, Deut. 12:23) has been partly lifted; He now enjoins the opposite on us when it comes to the blood of Christ (John 6:53).

Blood was sacred to God because it contained the victim’s life essence (Lev. 17:10-13). And that is precisely why we are commanded to drink the blood of Christ, which contains the victim’s eternal life essence. Only if Christ is really present in these elements will this be fulfilled. Say that it’s just wine, that the meal is commemorative only, and this benefit is lost. Real Presence was orthodox doctrine in the early Church for this reason.

(By the way, what's up with the grape juice comment? Its wine, not grape juice, that is involved in the Eucharistic meal.)

So you think Eternal life is given by eating and drinking perishable food? Lol

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Yes, because He said so: Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life;

Clearly you guys do not understand the parable.

 

[honeycomb]

You are stuck with the carnal mindset of the Catholic Church that cannot receive the Spiritual things of God, to their own corruption.

1 Corinthians 11:29
For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.


2 Peter 2:12
But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

Jude 1:10
But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

I’m not understanding what Catholics believe. Do they believe they are literally eating the body and drinking the blood of Jesus? ??

 

[RedFan]

Clearly you guys do not understand the parable.

Clearly "us guys" do not understand it to be a parable. I'm not Catholic, but even I can see that much. I have asked you why you deem John 6:55 to be parabolic. Are you planning on telling me or not?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

I’m not understanding what Catholics believe. Do they believe they are literally eating the body and drinking the blood of Jesus? ??

That is the deception.

 

[Marymog]

Clearly you guys do not understand the parable.

RIGHT, we don't understand but YOU do .

 

[RedFan]

So you think Eternal life is given by eating and drinking perishable food? Lol

With Christ truly present in that food, sure. I'm not concerned with the perishability of the bread and wine themselves, any more than I am concerned with the perishability of my own physical body. It's eternal life of my soul that I am concerned with.

 

[Marymog]

I’m not understanding what Catholics believe. Do they believe they are literally eating the body and drinking the blood of Jesus? ??

Hey honeycomb,

What is your answer to Paul's question: The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

Curious Mary

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

I have asked you why you deem John 6:55 to be parabolic. Are you planning on telling me or not?

I showed the answer in my OP. But what is Jesus talking about in John 6:55?

Listen….

John 6:47-51
King James Version
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47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
48 I am that bread of life.
49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

The Word was made flesh. To eat the flesh of Christ is to eat the Bread of Life aka the Word of Life that comes down from heaven.

You are not going to find that Bread at the grocery store.