Eat my flesh, drink my blood, discerning the body and blood of Christ.

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Hi Marymog:

I think the consecrated wafer IS the body of Christ.

This is "cult of Mary", man made religious nonsense.

See, what Real Christians dont understand, about this "consecration", that you are not actually explaining, as that is how Catholics always state something, but dont explain it.. as once the explanation gets out then the Lie is clearly understood and revealed.

So, most Christians, read in their bible, that Jesus said of the wine and bread.. ."do this in Remembrance of Me"..

This means that the Christians are to take communion, "in Remembrance" of Jesus.

So, what the "Cult of Mary" did, is they created this hocus pocus concept that is this..

1.) "once OUR PRIEST consecrate the wine and bread, it then (magically) transforms into the LITERAL Body and Blood of Jesus.""

And THAT is not found in a bible.

That is a 100% Creation of The Catholic Cult, and you can read about it here...

"Transubstantiation"...

This is pretend Magic Power that "cult of Mary" Priest, pretend they have to magically transform wine and a cookie into the LITERAL Body and BLood of Jesus.

Its nonsense.
Its False.
Its a lie.
 

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It does (I think) have a lot to do with the topic. A member commented to you ‘Eating a wafer and drinking grape juice does not give someone eternal life.’

To which you returned ‘You believe it is a wafer and grape juice. We believe what He said: This IS my body and blood.

Why don't you believe Him? Why don't you believe Paul?’

Same with why God has no pleasure in animal sacrifices, or burnt offerings. Does God take pleasure in that one sees a wafer and grape juice. And another believes it is His body and and His blood? To me it has to do with the topic in …first …the Nature of God where He has no pleasure in animal sacrifices and burnt offerings. To me it tells of His Nature and answers the question concerning if it’s a wafer and grape juice or His body and His blood?
I still dont see the connection with animal sacrifices and burnt offerings. I am a simple person with a simple mind. Can you help me connect the dots you are trying to make?

Respectfully, Mary
 

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Scripture does not say that it is " par-taking in dying to self" or that "drinking the blood of Christ" is par-taking in the risen life of Jesus Christ. That is not in Scripture and is something you added.

I believe it co-resides with the spirit whether or not you disagree. Without the Spirit, there is nothing but scripture anyway.

I believe that is something to co-resides together, as a notion for believers in Yeshua.

I have always seen "eating the flesh of Christ" is par-taking in dying to self.
I have always seen "drinking the blood of Christ" is par-taking in the risen life of Jesus Christ. (In remembering him, in what he had done for the world.)

Now if you disagree, that is fine, but you do not have any authority to suggest that I am saying anything wrong because in my own heart I am not condemned by such.
 

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Mary please read Numbers 5 and put Christ in the center of it.
OK. I will if you read Numbers 30 and put the Blessed Virgin Mary in front of vows taken by an unmarried woman......no, wait....

I recommend reading it over and over concerning the law of jealousies.
The Hebrew People never had a law of jealousies, jealousy is a sin. If a woman cheated on her husband, she broke the law. I think that is what you mean...yes?
Ask what Vessel? Numbers 5:17 And the priest shall take holy water(if you had asked, I would give unto you Living Water) in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water….
I am unaware that non-Catholic Christians pour holy water into the communion wine. Please elaborate. What makes water holy?

However, I am aware that Catholic priests add a few drops of water to the wine during the prayers of Consecration, praying this prayer:
“By the mystery of this water and wine may we come to share in the divinity of Christ who humbled himself to share in our humanity”
These are words that not only characterize the theological premise of God inviting us to understand this union, but becoming the action of the Blood shed on Calvary to the minuteness of humanity, through the sign of blending with a drop of water, to drink spiritually of the Sacrifice Christ endured when He died.
Matthew 3:13-17 Then comes Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him(put into the water). [14] But John forbid him, saying, I have need to be baptized of You, and come You to me? [15] And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becomes us to fulfill all righteousness. Then he suffered him. [16] And Jesus, when he was baptized(put in the water), went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: [17] And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Verse 16-17 supports The Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit which is a banned topic. However,
John 1:32 – when Jesus was baptized, He was baptized in the water and the Spirit, which descended upon Him in the form of a dove. The Holy Spirit and water are required for baptism.

Also, Jesus’ baptism was not the Christian baptism He later instituted. Jesus’ baptism was instead a royal anointing of the Son of David (Jesus) conferred by a Levite (John the Baptist) to reveal Christ to Israel, as it was foreshadowed in 1 Kings 1:39 when the Son of David (Solomon) was anointed by the Levitical priest Zadok. See John 1:31; cf. Matt. 3:16; Mark 1:9; Luke 3:21.,
Who is the woman in
Numbers 5:28 And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed.t
Again, I fail to understand what this verse has to do with the Eucharist. Does this mean a wife who is not guilty of cheating on her husband will get pregnant? I,m con-fused. confused
To me Numbers 5 is key to what Paul taught in
Romans 7:2-4 For the woman which has an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he lives; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed (free) from the law (of jealousies) of her husband. [3] So then if, while her husband lives, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. [4] Wherefore, my brethren, you also are become dead to the law (of jealousies) by the body of Christ; that you should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
I'm sorry, but I fail to understand what a faithful or unfaithful wife has anything to do with the Eucharist. To me, Numbers 5 is the basis for annulling an illegitimated marriage. Protestant pastors do not have this mechanism of annulment. Social pressures allow for the divorced to marry. A sacred vow cannot be annulled by the pastors opinion. So by officiating a wedding of one or both spouses previously divorced, the pastor risks sanctioning adultery. This is one reason why dead Catholics abandon Jesus in the Eucharist. They walk away (John 6:66) because getting an annulment requires a person to examine the marriage to find our what went wrong so it doesn't happen again, and again...if it was a real marriage in the first place.
Getting a divorce is not a disease nor is it a sin, adultery separates a person from God.
You may say why or what does any of that have to do with the Lords table or the bread?
I don't mean to be rude, but most of your spiritual forefathers threw the Table of the Lord into the trash, or spiritualized it, and replaced it with a podium. Yelling and jumping up and down with raised hands may have it's place, but it is not worship.
Or …you must eat of My flesh and drink of My blood. To me it has everything to do with it…starting way back in “the law of jealousies” and what He has freed us from by the Body which He said you must eat and drink of.
To cure infertility??? Sorry, I'm REALLY con.fused confused. Imagine if everybody followed the whole Bible, thousands of money hungry divorce lawyers would be out of business.

Off topic: Has anyone wondered about Putin's nuclear plane that crashed on take-off Aug. 15,
Feast Day of the Assumption of Mary into Heaven??? Reading the prophecies of Fatima is like todays headlines...
A coincidence is when God wishes to remain anonymous.
 
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You and every other PROTESTant on this forum that I have dealt with has not answered Paul's question: The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
You missed the point that I wasn’t trying to suggest it’s an animal sacrifice in the cup of communion. Never mind about that as it only confused things more. I can’t help. I have no answer to give you for Paul’s question. I wish and hope God answers Paul’s question for you.
 

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You and @Eternally Grateful are truly 2 peas in a pod. You "like" what the other says but can't and haven't' answered Paul's question: The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

What is your answer to Paul's question? It is not a question I have asked; it is what Paul asked. What is your answer? You are not answering Marymog, you are answering Paul.

You sit in your basement eating your Doritos, drinking your Pepsi, reading Scripture feeling righteous and at some point you have read that passage. While eating your Doritos and drinking your Pepsi I ASSUME that in your brain you answered that question from Paul. What was your answer in your brain? If you have not taken the time to answer Paul, now is the time of reconciliation. What is your answer?

Curious Mary

PS: I have a feeling you are both going to dodge Paul, but I have hope you won't.
How are we made One bread and One Body in Christ?

1 Corinthians 10:17-18

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17 For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.(The Bread of Life)
18 Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar?

How do we eat of the sacrifice and commune with the blood and body of Christ?

2 Corinthians 13:14
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
 
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This is "cult of Mary", man made religious nonsense.

See, what Real Christians dont understand, about this "consecration", that you are not actually explaining, as that is how Catholics always state something, but dont explain it.. as once the explanation gets out then the Lie is clearly understood and revealed.

So, most Christians, read in their bible, that Jesus said of the wine and bread.. ."do this in Remembrance of Me"..

This means that the Christians are to take communion, "in Remembrance" of Jesus.

So, what the "Cult of Mary" did, is they created this hocus pocus concept that is this..

1.) "once OUR PRIEST consecrate the wine and bread, it then (magically) transforms into the LITERAL Body and Blood of Jesus.""

And THAT is not found in a bible.

That is a 100% Creation of The Catholic Cult, and you can read about it here...

"Transubstantiation"...

This is pretend Magic Power that "cult of Mary" Priest, pretend they have to magically transform wine and a cookie into the LITERAL Body and BLood of Jesus.

Its nonsense.
Its False.
Its a lie.
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Here we go again with the cult of Mary rhetoric. Your fantasy is not reality. You do know that don't you?

Listen kiddo, The Church HAS explained it in The Catechism of the Catholic Church. The anti-Christian cult you belong to hasn't. End of story.


YOU have no source that I can go to so that I can figure out what you believe today, let alone tomorrow or 1 year from now. The Church does....end of story. You are a liar. It's not magic.....it's a miracle. You deny miracles. Us Christians don't.

You and your ilk spew things online with different "truths" and different theories on what Scripture means. If your Protestant friend agrees with The Church, they are wrong. If they agree with you, they are right. Which means YOU are always right....Right?

You are killing me......please leave me alone. I no longer want to hear your disgusting hatred for people who believe opposite of you and teach what has been taught for 2,000 years. You deny your Christian history. I don't. LEAVE ME ALONE. Do not respond to any of my posts.

Mary
 

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his is "cult of Mary", man made religious nonsense.

See, what Real Christians dont understand, about this "consecration", that you are not actually explaining, as that is how Catholics always state something, but dont explain it.. as once the explanation gets out then the Lie is clearly understood and revealed.
Well, I'm not Catholic -- but neither am I blind to how the early Church understood the Eucharistic meal as the actual body and blood of Christ. So if I am deluding myself, I'm in good company.

Within the first two centuries after Calvary, we find the testimony of Ignatius, Letter to the Smyrnians ch. 7 (“They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ. . .”); Justin Martyr, First Apology, ch. 66 (“For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh by the Word of God, had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh”); Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book IV, ch. 18 § 5 (“Then, again, how can they say that the flesh, which is nourished with the body of the Lord and with His blood, goes to corruption and does not partake of life? . . . For as the bread, which is produced from the earth, is no longer common bread, but the Eucharist, consisting of two realities, earthly and heavenly; so also our bodies, when they receive the Eucharist, are no longer corruptible, having the hope of resurrection to eternity”); Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book V, ch. 2 § 3 (“When, therefore, the mingled cup and the manufactured bread receives the Word of God, and the Eucharist of the blood and the body of Christ is made, from which things the substance of our flesh is increased and supported, how can they affirm that the flesh is incapable of receiving the gift of God, which is life eternal, which [flesh] is nourished from the body and blood of the Lord, and is a member of Him?”).

Such was the currency of the doctrine two centuries before Chalcedon, a millennium before Aquinas. I am not prepared to be dismissive of this history.
 

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You missed the point that I wasn’t trying to suggest it’s an animal sacrifice in the cup of communion. Never mind about that as it only confused things more. I can’t help. I have no answer to give you for Paul’s question. I wish and hope God answers Paul’s question for you.
I am unable to make your connection that it is "an animal sacrifice in the cup of communion". That makes no sense. I can't comprehend what you are speaking of.

I know the Jews made animal Sacrifices for God. Are you equating THAT to what Jesus said?

mary
 

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Jesus said in Luke 5:36-39 36 And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old.37 And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.38 But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.”

The new wine Jesus is talking about here is the New Living Testament that a man (bottle) can only receive by the Spirit when he is made a new man in Christ (new bottle).

This “new wine” or the “New Living Testament” is not written outwardly on paper or stone, but is written inwardly on our hearts and minds by the Spirit.

2 Corinthians 3:3
Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, “but with the Spirit of the living God”; not in tables of stone, “but in fleshy tables of the heart.”

This testimony of Jesus Christ by the Spiritcannot be understood by the old natural man (old bottle) neither can it be received and retained.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Thus not being able to receive (understand) the new wine, the old bottles (natural man) will perish.


If a man is born again of the Holy Spirit, he is made a “new bottle”( new man in Christ) and therefore is able to receive and retain the “New wine” ( the Testimony of Jesus Christ) by the Spirit.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is anew creature (new bottle) old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

You must be born again and be made a new bottle in order to receive and retain the New wine.


Peace and God bless
 

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It is what the eating and drinking of the bread and blood of Christ “symbolizes” that is to be “discerned”by the Spirit.
Amen, @Stewardofthemystery.

"Give us this day our daily Bread." Christ is our daily Living Bread and Living Water. This Bread is the Word of God, and the Word of God is Jesus.

Revelation 19:13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
 

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How are we made One bread and One Body in Christ?

1 Corinthians 10:17-18​

King James Version​

17 For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.(The Bread of Life)
18 Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar?

How do we eat of the sacrifice and commune with the blood and body of Christ?

2 Corinthians 13:14
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Lol.....You proved me right. You can't and won't answer Paul's question. I suspect you know if you answer his question by saying NO, it is not a participation in the body/blood of Christ then you would go against the teaching of Paul, which you don't want to do. If you answer YES, it is a participation in the body of Christ you would agree with the Catholic Church and be kicked out of your church and have to reevaluate every false thing they have taught you. God forbid you agree with The Catholic Church or Paul......:jest: That is a ticket to hell.... isn't it?

Thanks for your time...I am done.
 

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Again, I fail to understand what this verse has to do with the Eucharist. Does this mean a wife who is not guilty of cheating on her husband will get pregnant? I,m con-fused. confused
Does this mean the wife (set free by the body of Christ) who is not guilty of cheating on her husband will get pregnant? Yes. Although “brothers bear fruit unto God” how are “brothers” of the woman? Romans 7:4 Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God.

Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, you also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that you should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Galatians 4:23-26 But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. [24] Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants.(read Numbers 5) One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. [25] Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. [26] But the Jerusalem above is free, (Numbers 5, she being clean, free, bears seed. God has left us seed? His seed remains. Which seed He is. Brothers …God has given Liberty and freedom to bring forth children unto God.) and she is our mother.
 

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Well, I'm not Catholic -- but neither am I blind to how the early Church understood the Eucharistic meal as the actual body and blood of Christ. So if I am deluding myself, I'm in good company.

Within the first two centuries after Calvary, we find the testimony of Ignatius, Letter to the Smyrnians ch. 7 (“They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ. . .”); Justin Martyr, First Apology, ch. 66 (“For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh by the Word of God, had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh”); Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book IV, ch. 18 § 5 (“Then, again, how can they say that the flesh, which is nourished with the body of the Lord and with His blood, goes to corruption and does not partake of life? . . . For as the bread, which is produced from the earth, is no longer common bread, but the Eucharist, consisting of two realities, earthly and heavenly; so also our bodies, when they receive the Eucharist, are no longer corruptible, having the hope of resurrection to eternity”); Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book V, ch. 2 § 3 (“When, therefore, the mingled cup and the manufactured bread receives the Word of God, and the Eucharist of the blood and the body of Christ is made, from which things the substance of our flesh is increased and supported, how can they affirm that the flesh is incapable of receiving the gift of God, which is life eternal, which [flesh] is nourished from the body and blood of the Lord, and is a member of Him?”).

Such was the currency of the doctrine two centuries before Chalcedon, a millennium before Aquinas. I am not prepared to be dismissive of this history.
Finally some common sense and acknowledgment of Christian history....Unlike @Eternally Grateful @Taken and @Stewardofthemystery.

I take that back. They acknowledge the last 500 years of Christian history. Anything before that is a lie.....coffee:
 

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Lol.....You proved me right. You can't and won't answer Paul's question. I suspect you know if you answer his question by saying NO, it is not a participation in the body/blood of Christ then you would go against the teaching of Paul, which you don't want to do. If you answer YES, it is a participation in the body of Christ you would agree with the Catholic Church and be kicked out of your church and have to reevaluate every false thing they have taught you. God forbid you agree with The Catholic Church or Paul......:jest: That is a ticket to hell.... isn't it?

Thanks for your time...I am done.
If you want to eat perishable produce be my guest, but there is no eternal life in it.

John 6:27-35

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27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst
 

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I am unable to make your connection that it is "an animal sacrifice in the cup of communion". That makes no sense. I can't comprehend what you are speaking of.

I know the Jews made animal Sacrifices for God. Are you equating THAT to what Jesus said?

mary
No. No. No. I made a mistake in bringing it up. Now you are stuck in it. Even when I say that is not what I was suggesting. The only reason I brought up God having no pleasure in animal sacrifices and burnt offering was to help you or to provoke you to ask yourself why God has no pleasure in those things.
 

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I believe it co-resides with the spirit whether or not you disagree. Without the Spirit, there is nothing but scripture anyway.

I believe that is something to co-resides together, as a notion for believers in Yeshua.

I have always seen "eating the flesh of Christ" is par-taking in dying to self.
I have always seen "drinking the blood of Christ" is par-taking in the risen life of Jesus Christ. (In remembering him, in what he had done for the world.)

Now if you disagree, that is fine, but you do not have any authority to suggest that I am saying anything wrong because in my own heart I am not condemned by such.
Hey Matthew,

Thanks for your input. There is NOTHING is Scripture, that I know of, that says that
Jesus said in Luke 5:36-39 36 And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old.37 And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.38 But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.”

The new wine Jesus is talking about here is the New Living Testament that a man (bottle) can only receive by the Spirit when he is made a new man in Christ (new bottle).

This “new wine” or the “New Living Testament” is not written outwardly on paper or stone, but is written inwardly on our hearts and minds by the Spirit.

2 Corinthians 3:3
Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, “but with the Spirit of the living God”; not in tables of stone, “but in fleshy tables of the heart.”

This testimony of Jesus Christ by the Spiritcannot be understood by the old natural man (old bottle) neither can it be received and retained.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Thus not being able to receive (understand) the new wine, the old bottles (natural man) will perish.


If a man is born again of the Holy Spirit, he is made a “new bottle”( new man in Christ) and therefore is able to receive and retain the “New wine” ( the Testimony of Jesus Christ) by the Spirit.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is anew creature (new bottle) old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

You must be born again and be made a new bottle in order to receive and retain the New wine.


Peace and God bless
And after MULTIPLE try's you still REFUSE to answer Paul's question: The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

Unbelievable............

I get it. If you say YES to Paul, the cup of blessing which we bless IS a communion in the blood of Christ and the bread which we break is a communion in the body of Christ, you would be agreeing with The Catholic Church (and some Protestant denominations).

If you say YES to Jesus claim that it is His body/blood you would be agreeing with the Catholic Church. But you can't say that, can you? Because it would reveal your dishonesty and false teaching.

If you say NO, the cup of blessing which we bless is NOT a communion in the blood of Christ and the bread which we break is NOT a communion in the body of Christ you would be disagreeing with Paul AND Jesus. And you don't want to disagree with Paul OR Jesus....Do you kiddo?

You are stuck between your heretical Protestant teaching and the teaching of Scripture. You don't want to agree with the Catholic Church, so you JUST DON'T ANSWER. You just can't stomach the thought that Jesus was serious when he said it IS his body/blood and Paul said it IS his body blood in the bread/wine because then you would agree with The Church and 2,000 years of Christian teaching. You would rather deny Scripture than deny the false teaching of your Protestant brothers....Fascinating!!! Well, you are in good standing with your Protestant brothers. You have upheld the lie.


Thank you for your time. Mary

Side note: I don't know HOW these 2 responses got conflated into 1 response and I don't know how to fix it sooooo I apoligize.

Mary
 
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No. No. No. I made a mistake in bringing it up. Now you are stuck in it. Even when I say that is not what I was suggesting. The only reason I brought up God having no pleasure in animal sacrifices and burnt offering was to help you or to provoke you to ask yourself why God has no pleasure in those things.
Got it. Thank you for the clarification.

Mary
 

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You are stuck between your heretical Protestant teaching and the teaching of Scripture. You don't want to agree with the Catholic Church, so you JUST DON'T ANSWER. You just can't stomach the thought that Jesus was serious when he said it IS his body/blood and Paul said it IS his body blood in the bread/wine because then you would agree with The Church and 2,000 years of Christian teaching. You would rather deny Scripture than deny the false teaching of your Protestant brothers....Fascinating!!! Well, you are in good standing with your Protestant brothers. You have upheld the lie.

Thank you for your time. Mary

Side note: I don't know HOW these 2 responses got conflated into 1 response and I don't know how to fix it sooooo I apoligize.

Mary
You are stuck with the carnal mindset of the Catholic Church that cannot receive the Spiritual things of God, to their own corruption.

1 Corinthians 11:29
For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.


2 Peter 2:12
But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

Jude 1:10
But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
 
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