The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

[Spiritual Israelite]

Nope. It is called the “first resurrection”

Revelation 20:4-6​

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4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.”

If you don’t like what it is called take it up with God.;)

You are being childish here. I love what it is called. I also accept what scripture teaches about what the first resurrection is. You have decided to interpret Revelation 20:4-6 in isolation from the rest of scripture, but I don't do that.

Scripture teaches that Jesus's resurrection was the first resurrection. The only other verse where the words "protos" (first) and anastasis (resurrection) are used together is this one:

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Do you not like that scripture teaches that Christ's resurrection was the first resurrection? If so, take it up with God.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

What does this mean? Christ being the firstfruits is a reference to the fact that He was the first to be resurrected unto bodily immortality. Next in order, according to Paul, are those who are Christ's at His second coming (1 Cor 15:22-23).

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.


No one is saying that His second coming has happened yet. Please read what is being said more carefully.

Look at this verse:

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

At what point does it become true that the second death has no power over someone?

When did John say that people became "priests of God and of Christ"? Did he not indicate that was already the case in his day?

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And HATH MADE us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Actually the “firstfruits” of Israel were resurrected right after Jesus was resurrected…

Matthew 27:52-53

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52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Revelation 14

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14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Actually the “firstfruits” of Israel were resurrected right after Jesus was resurrected…

Matthew 27:52-53​

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52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Where does it say they had immortal bodies? Where does Paul reference their resurrection in the passage where he gives the order of resurrections?

1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Paul said that Christ Himself is the firstfruits of them that slept. That means His resurrection was the first resurrection, as scripture like the following indicates:

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

He did not say that Christ and "them that slept" are the firstfruits, he said Christ Himself was the first fruits of them that slept.

Revelation 14​

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14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Where does it say they were bodily redeemed and now have immortal bodies? Again, where are they mentioned in 1 Cor 15:20-23 where Paul describes the order of resurrections unto bodily immortality?

The following speaks of firstfruits who had been redeemed spiritually long ago:

James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting....18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

So, being redeemed firstfruits does not require them to have immortal bodies.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

So, being redeemed firstfruits does not require them to have immortal bodies.

1 Corinthians 15:42
So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised inincorruption:

Romans 8:23
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

1 Corinthians 15:42
So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised inincorruption:

Romans 8:23
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

LOL. How fun. Looks like all you want to do is play scripture tag instead of addressing my points. Are you suggesting that you believe someone can only be redeemed bodily?

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

 

[ewq1938]

Your problem is with the words of God that call this physical resurrection of the dead and living in Christ the “first resurrection”

Revelation 20:4-6​

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4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.”

"holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection" he that takes part in the first resurrection proves this is abourt people who take part in an event known as the FR. It is not about Jesus as the FR but a group of people who will be the first to resurrect in chp 20. They use of "they" also proves this: they shall be priests of God and of Christ.

This is the correct interpretation. Amill badly changes what the passage says by ignoring what is actually said.







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[Stewardofthemystery]

LOL. How fun. Looks like all you want to do is play scripture tag instead of addressing my points. Are you suggesting that you believe someone can only be redeemed bodily?

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

We were talking about the resurrection of the physical body, the redemption of the body.

Ephesians 4:30
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption

Luke 21:28
And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

This is the correct interpretation. Amill badly changes what the passage says by ignoring what is actually said.

I noticed they ignore a lot of scripture.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

We were talking about the resurrection of the physical body, the redemption of the body.

Ephesians 4:30
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption

Luke 21:28
And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

LOL. You were referring to the redemption of the 144,000 firstfruits. Nowhere does it say they have been redeemed bodily yet. Scripture teaches that the bodies of the dead in Christ will all be redeemed at the same time, which will be at the last trumpet when Christ returns (1 Cor 15:22-23;51-52, 1 Thess 4:14-17).

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I noticed they ignore a lot of scripture.

LOL!!! You are hilarious. You mean like you ignore scripture like John 5:28-29, Matthew 25:31-46 and 2 Peter 3:10-13? Or should I say you don't ignore those scriptures, you just change them to make them say what you want them to say.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

"holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection" he that takes part in the first resurrection proves this is abourt people who take part in an event known as the FR. It is not about Jesus as the FR but a group of people who will be the first to resurrect in chp 20. They use of "they" also proves this: they shall be priests of God and of Christ.

This is the correct interpretation. Amill badly changes what the passage says by ignoring what is actually said.

Amils don't deny that those who are priests of God and of Christ are the ones who have part in the first resurrection. But, scripture explicitly teaches that Jesus's bodily resurrection itself was the first resurrection (1 Cor 15:20, Acts 26:23, Col 1:18, Rev 1:5), so having part in the first resurrection has to do with having part in Christ's resurrection.

And scripture explicitly teaches that believers have BEEN MADE priests of God and of Christ already, as Revelation 1:5-6, Revelation 5:9-10 and 1 Peter 2:9 indicate. Peter said we ARE a royal priesthood. That should tell you about the timing of priests of God and Christ reigning with Christ. But, interpreting scripture with scripture is a foreign concept to you.

 

[WPM]

"holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection" he that takes part in the first resurrection proves this is abourt people who take part in an event known as the FR. It is not about Jesus as the FR but a group of people who will be the first to resurrect in chp 20. They use of "they" also proves this: they shall be priests of God and of Christ.

This is the correct interpretation. Amill badly changes what the passage says by ignoring what is actually said.







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The Greek word for "first" (as in first resurrection) is protos. It is a contracted superlative meaning foremost (in time, place, order and/or importance). So, which is the "first" (or protos) resurrection?

Which is the foremost resurrection in time?

Which is the foremost resurrection in place?

Which is the foremost resurrection in order?

Which is the foremost resurrection in importance?

Who is "the first resurrection" in Acts 26:23?

Who is "the firstborn from the dead" in Colossians 1:18?

Who is "the firstfruits of them that slept" in 1 Corinthians 15:20?

Who is "first begotten of the dead" in Revelation 1:5?

 

[WPM]

I noticed they ignore a lot of scripture.

That is a bit brazen coming from you. After all, all you have is Revelation 20. You interpret the whole Bible through the lens of your fault the opinions of that highly symbolic chapter.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Did you know Babylon means confusion by mixing?

 

[rwb]

Your problem is with the words of God that call this physical resurrection of the dead and living in Christ the “first resurrection”

Revelation 20:4-6​

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4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.”

Take away the numbered verses to read and understand what John is saying. When John writes "This is the first resurrection" he is NOT speaking of the "rest of the dead" that will not live again until the thousand years have ended. The first resurrection is of those who are called holy and blessed, having part in the first resurrection they have overcome the second death. How can the first resurrection be of the rest of the dead who shall be priests of God and of Christ and shall reign with Him a thousand years since they do not live again until the thousand years is finished? The rest of the dead cannot live with Christ for a thousand years since they are not resurrected until the thousand years have ended!

John first writes of those who have been martyred for their faith before they died. Before being martyred they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years before they were martyred. They had to already be living and reigning with Christ during this time for them to be martyred for their faithfulness to Christ.

John next writes of a distinction between those who had died for their faith during this time and the rest of the dead. Unlike those martyred for their faith, who are alive, others who have also died during this time (rest of the dead) will not live again until the thousand years are finished.

Then John writes of the blessed and holy who have part in the first resurrection, the second death (LOF) has no power over those who "shall be priests of God and of Christ and shall reign with him a thousand years". This proves a thousand years is not literal time, but symbolic of all time when saints of faith could still be numbered among the martyred, or those who shall simply live and die in faith.

Scripture clearly speaks of only ONE bodily/physical resurrection of ALL who are dead. Where does Scripture call the physical resurrection the 'first resurrection'?

 

[rwb]

Nope. It is called the “first resurrection”

Revelation 20:4-6​

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4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.”

If you don’t like what it is called take it up with God.;)

But where does John say the first resurrection is a physical resurrection of saints? You're trying to read your preconceived doctrine into the text. There is only ONE "first resurrection" of the physically dead, and that is the resurrection of Christ ALONE.

 

[rwb]

Actually the “firstfruits” of Israel were resurrected right after Jesus was resurrected…

Matthew 27:52-53​

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52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Revelation 14​

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14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

I agree! Saints of Old who died in faith waiting and looking for the promised Messiah to come have indeed arisen from the graves AFTER the RESURRECTION of Christ. The verse tells us only that those who slept arose, it does not say they were bodily resurrected from the graves.

Matthew 27:51-53 (KJV) And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Just as the spirit that made Christ physically alive was committed to the Father after He died, so too as the spiritual body of Christ returned to heaven after Christ was resurrected from the dead.

Luke 23:46 (KJV) And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

None of these Old Covenant faithful saints could ascend to the Father in heaven before Christ made atonement for sin through His death on the cross, and defeated death by resurrecting from the grave.

These Old Covenant saints were NOT physically resurrected from the graves! They, as Christ's spiritual body arose and went into the heavenly city, new Jerusalem, the Holy City, and there appeared to a multitude of the heavenly hosts.

How can I be certain of this? Because the Bible is very clear that NONE shall be bodily resurrected until the time coming when the last trumpet sounds, and according to what is written in Jo 6 that shall be "the last day". There is not to my knowledge any evidence written or physical to prove these OC saints were physically resurrected to life again. Yet we find Scripture that proves what I have told you.

Revelation 5:11-12 (KJV) And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

Hebrews 12:22-23 (KJV) But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

But where does John say the first resurrection is a physical resurrection of saints? You're trying to read your preconceived doctrine into the text. There is only ONE "first resurrection" of the physically dead, and that is the resurrection of Christ ALONE.

Do you think those saints who were beheaded might have been killed/dead?

Revelation 20:4-6​

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4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

The verse tells us only that those who slept arose, it does not say they were bodily resurrected from the graves.

What do you think “bodies” mean???


52 And the graves were opened; and many (((bodies ))))of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”

 

[WPM]

Do you think those saints who were beheaded might have been killed/dead?

Revelation 20:4-6​

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4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished

That has been happening for thousands of years.