Daniel's Final "one week" of Daniel 9:27 Made Simple

[Zao is life]

I don't mind if you disagree, I just put what God has shown me through the scriptures... if people don't like it I'm cool with that. We each have our own walks.

OK. Anyway you're talking to a wall about this and I'm talking back to a wall about it so ..

God bless and be still and know that He is God.

 

[IndianaRob]

Is there anybody on this thread that can articulate in a logical fashion why weeks in one verse means weeks but then in another verse it means weeks of years?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I'm not asking you anything about your views I'm asking you to show your research about WHEN the week of years interpretation came about. If you can't do it that's fine.

I already referred you to this post in another thread before which explains it better than I can: There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

Please read it.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I don't think your assertions are fair because you're trying to make it sound like I use ChatGPT to understand the bible when you know I used it to get the time period of when the week for years interpretation came about.

But, you can't determine that in that way. ChatGPT contains facts, opinions and lies all mixed together because it simply gathers information from the Internet and summarizes it. You can't trust that. If you did research on the age of the universe or of the earth using ChatGPT, what do you think it would tell you? What the world falsely believes or what scripture teaches? Please stop being so naive and study scripture for yourself to see what interpretation of Daniel 9:24-27 fits with the rest of scripture.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I don't mind if you disagree, I just put what God has shown me through the scriptures... if people don't like it I'm cool with that. We each have our own walks.

And what you are shown from ChatGPT, which is not from God.

 

[TribulationSigns]

But, you can't determine that in that way. ChatGPT contains facts, opinions and lies all mixed together because it simply gathers information from the Internet and summarizes it. You can't trust that. If you did research on the age of the universe or of the earth using ChatGPT, what do you think it would tell you? What the world falsely believes or what scripture teaches? Please stop being so naive and study scripture for yourself to see what interpretation of Daniel 9:24-27 fits with the rest of scripture.

Sad to see people seek answers from ChatGPT instead of God. Only God can give wisdom and truth to those who study.

2Ti 2:15
(15) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

[Keraz]

Is there anybody on this thread that can articulate in a logical fashion why weeks in one verse means weeks but then in another verse it means weeks of years?

They mean a literal 7 day week in one verse and a figurative 7 years in another. It is easily ascertained by using common sense.

That there is coming a 7 year period, ending with the glorious Return of Jesus, is quite clearly seen in Revelation.
Here is a good study:
The seventy weeks were revealed to Daniel in the following words: “Seventy weeks are determined For your people and for your holy city, To finish the transgression, To make an end of sins, To make reconciliation for iniquity, To bring in everlasting righteousness, To seal up vision and prophecy, And to anoint the Most Holy.” (Daniel 9:24)

First, we need to understand that, although most of our English translations say seventy weeks, the Hebrew word translated weeks was shabuwa', H7620 in Strong’s. This word was used in the Old Testament for both a period of seven days and a period of seven years. Only the context could show whether days of years was meant. And in this case, the context clearly shows that the meaning could not even possibly been days. So it is not simply interpretation to take seventy weeks as meaning 490 years. This is a fully legitimate meaning of the Hebrew words used here.

Daniel 9:25 was told: Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; The street shall be built again, and the wall, Even in troublesome times.

Here we have sixty-nine weeks, or 483 years, from the going forth of the command until Messiah the Prince. Some claim that there is historical evidence that the triumphal entry occurred exactly 483 years, to the day, after the signing of this order; we cannot be certain as to the accuracy of this claim. But history indeed confirms that it occurred at approximately that time.

But now the Divinely inspired account contains a break. We read: And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And until the end of the war, desolations are determined. Daniel 9:26

Two things were to happen after the sixty-two week second part of this account. And we know that both of them indeed happened exactly as explicitly stated. “Messiah” would “be cut off,” and “the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.” Messiah was indeed cut off, and the city and the sanctuary were indeed destroyed, in 70 - 135 AD.

From history we absolutely know that “the city and the sanctuary” were not destroyed in the same week (seven year period) that our Lord was crucified. Note; that both of these events are presented before the last week is even mentioned. So here we see an absolutely undeniable break in the scriptural account of the seventy weeks.



The last week is treated differently. It does not even say that this is the seventieth week. The only reason we know that it is the seventieth week is because all the rest of the weeks have already passed. So this week has to be the seventieth one.

We read: Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Iis poured out on the desolate. Daniel 9:27

Now many imagine that this verse speaks of the cross. They want to interpret the word “for” in this verse as “in,” and claim that this was speaking of Jesus confirming God’s covenant with us “in” the seventieth week, and claim that Jesus was crucified at the middle of the seventieth week. But even if history were wrong by so many years, this interpretation does violence to the structure of the prophecy. For the last week is not even mentioned until after the two events that were to take place after the sixty-ninth week.
But an end time covenant, actually; a peace treaty, that will not be fulfilled is clearly mentioned in other Old Testament prophecies. One of these is Isaiah 28:14-18, where we read: Therefore hear the word of the LORD, you scornful men, who rule this people who are in Jerusalem, Because you have said: ‘We have made a covenant with death, And with Sheol we are in agreement. When the overflowing scourge passes through, It will not come to us, For we have made lies our refuge, And under falsehood we have hidden ourselves.’ Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: "Behold, I lay in Zion a stone for a foundation, A tried stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation; Whoever believes will not act hastily. Also I will make justice the measuring line, And righteousness the plummet; The hail will sweep away the refuge of lies, And the waters will overflow the hiding place. Your covenant with death will be annulled, And your agreement with Sheol will not stand; When the overflowing scourge passes through, Then you will be trampled down by it.
Again, in Isaiah 57:7-9 we read: On a lofty and high mountain You have set your bed; even there you went up to offer sacrifice. Also behind the doors and their posts You have set up your remembrance; For you have uncovered yourself to those other than Me, And have gone up to them; You have enlarged your bed and made a covenant with them; You have loved their bed, Where you saw their nudity. You went to the king with ointment, and increased your perfumes; You sent your messengers far off, and even descended to Sheol.”

So we see that the scriptures indeed clearly foretell a future covenant that God will not allow to be fulfilled. And Daniel 9:27 is only one of several places where this treaty is mentioned.
Ref; James Morris

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Sad to see people seek answers from ChatGPT instead of God. Only God can give wisdom and truth to those who study.

2Ti 2:15
(15) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

It really is. And it's even sadder to see that he still thinks it's a viable way to find truth even after being corrected about it.

Proverbs 10:17 Whoever heeds discipline shows the way to life, but whoever ignores correction leads others astray.

 

[IndianaRob]

I already referred you to this post in another thread before which explains it better than I can: There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

Please read it.

What does this have to do with when the view of weeks of years came about? Am I supposed to read this and come away with the idea that it’s always been viewed as weeks of years because this guy says it’s week of years?

“I believe it was inexcusable for the nation (prophets & priests) to deny Jesus was the promised Messiah who was to come. The denial must be attributed to hardness or heart.

Nearly sixty years elapsed from Darius during which time the temple was completed, but rebuilding of Jerusalem’s infrastructure had to wait until Artaxerxes ratified the decree again in his seventh year. According to the Hebrew calendar, this date was 457 BC, and Ezra says it happened on the “first day of the first month in the seventh year of King Artaxerxes.” Now, when we count forward 483 years from 1 Nisan 457 BC, it comes out at 1 Nisan AD 27 - the time Jesus began his public ministry. When one considers how Daniel first predicts the decree nearly a century before it happened, then proceeds to telescope another 69 weeks further, we find a supernatural fulfilment of the ‘times’ in Jesus of Nazareth. Add that to the unlikely chance of a decree occurring on the cusp of a grand Jubilee cycle, and it cannot be brushed aside. These ‘coincidences’ defy the odds and provide powerful testimony to the identity of the Christ.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What does this have to do with when the view of weeks of years came about? Am I supposed to read this and come away with the idea that it’s always been viewed as weeks of years because this guy says it’s week of years?

You should read it and consider if it lines up with scripture or not. That is what matters. If you insist on being naive about this and trying to get your understanding from sources like ChatGPT, then I can't help you.

 

[IndianaRob]

They mean a literal 7 day week in one verse and a figurative 7 years in another. It is easily ascertained by using common sense.

That there is coming a 7 year period, ending with the glorious Return of Jesus, is quite clearly seen in Revelation.
Here is a good study:
The seventy weeks were revealed to Daniel in the following words: “Seventy weeks are determined For your people and for your holy city, To finish the transgression, To make an end of sins, To make reconciliation for iniquity, To bring in everlasting righteousness, To seal up vision and prophecy, And to anoint the Most Holy.” (Daniel 9:24)

First, we need to understand that, although most of our English translations say seventy weeks, the Hebrew word translated weeks was shabuwa', H7620 in Strong’s. This word was used in the Old Testament for both a period of seven days and a period of seven years. Only the context could show whether days of years was meant. And in this case, the context clearly shows that the meaning could not even possibly been days. So it is not simply interpretation to take seventy weeks as meaning 490 years. This is a fully legitimate meaning of the Hebrew words used here.

Daniel 9:25 was told: Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; The street shall be built again, and the wall, Even in troublesome times.

Here we have sixty-nine weeks, or 483 years, from the going forth of the command until Messiah the Prince. Some claim that there is historical evidence that the triumphal entry occurred exactly 483 years, to the day, after the signing of this order; we cannot be certain as to the accuracy of this claim. But history indeed confirms that it occurred at approximately that time.

But now the Divinely inspired account contains a break. We read: And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And until the end of the war, desolations are determined. Daniel 9:26

Two things were to happen after the sixty-two week second part of this account. And we know that both of them indeed happened exactly as explicitly stated. “Messiah” would “be cut off,” and “the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.” Messiah was indeed cut off, and the city and the sanctuary were indeed destroyed, in 70 - 135 AD.

From history we absolutely know that “the city and the sanctuary” were not destroyed in the same week (seven year period) that our Lord was crucified. Note; that both of these events are presented before the last week is even mentioned. So here we see an absolutely undeniable break in the scriptural account of the seventy weeks.



The last week is treated differently. It does not even say that this is the seventieth week. The only reason we know that it is the seventieth week is because all the rest of the weeks have already passed. So this week has to be the seventieth one.

We read: Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Iis poured out on the desolate. Daniel 9:27

Now many imagine that this verse speaks of the cross. They want to interpret the word “for” in this verse as “in,” and claim that this was speaking of Jesus confirming God’s covenant with us “in” the seventieth week, and claim that Jesus was crucified at the middle of the seventieth week. But even if history were wrong by so many years, this interpretation does violence to the structure of the prophecy. For the last week is not even mentioned until after the two events that were to take place after the sixty-ninth week.
But an end time covenant, actually; a peace treaty, that will not be fulfilled is clearly mentioned in other Old Testament prophecies. One of these is Isaiah 28:14-18, where we read: Therefore hear the word of the LORD, you scornful men, who rule this people who are in Jerusalem, Because you have said: ‘We have made a covenant with death, And with Sheol we are in agreement. When the overflowing scourge passes through, It will not come to us, For we have made lies our refuge, And under falsehood we have hidden ourselves.’ Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: "Behold, I lay in Zion a stone for a foundation, A tried stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation; Whoever believes will not act hastily. Also I will make justice the measuring line, And righteousness the plummet; The hail will sweep away the refuge of lies, And the waters will overflow the hiding place. Your covenant with death will be annulled, And your agreement with Sheol will not stand; When the overflowing scourge passes through, Then you will be trampled down by it.
Again, in Isaiah 57:7-9 we read: On a lofty and high mountain You have set your bed; even there you went up to offer sacrifice. Also behind the doors and their posts You have set up your remembrance; For you have uncovered yourself to those other than Me, And have gone up to them; You have enlarged your bed and made a covenant with them; You have loved their bed, Where you saw their nudity. You went to the king with ointment, and increased your perfumes; You sent your messengers far off, and even descended to Sheol.”

So we see that the scriptures indeed clearly foretell a future covenant that God will not allow to be fulfilled. And Daniel 9:27 is only one of several places where this treaty is mentioned.
Ref; James Morris

Basically your saying that since you believe in a coming 7 year tribulation then weeks have to be weeks of years because a literal week doesn't fit you're view a coming 7 year tribulation. That's how most people handle the bible, they conform the bible to their view rather than conforming their view to the bible.

Most people assume Jerusalem in Daniel 9 is earthly Jerusalem so the 70 weeks must be 70 weeks of years.

 

[IndianaRob]

You should read it and consider if it lines up with scripture or not. That is what matters. If you insist on being naive about this and trying to get your understanding from sources like ChatGPT, then I can't help you.

It doesn't line up with scripture because nowhere in scripture is one week to be understood as 7 years.

 

[covenantee]

It doesn't line up with scripture because nowhere in scripture is one week to be understood as 7 years.

Who of the historical true Christian Church has denied that it is 7 years?

 

[MA2444]

The 70th week of Daniel could not have been fulfilled in Jesus time. Because the Angel that came and gave these revelations for Daniel to write down and save for a future generation, in the latter days.

Daniel 12:4
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased..../KJV

Daniel 10:14
14 Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.

 

[doctrox]

In the prevailing view of Bible prophecy, the well known passage in Daniel chapter 9 concerning the 70 weeks of Daniel is commonly interpreted to put forth the proposition that the Antichrist will make a 7-year treaty with the Jewish people. But is this proposition actually accurate, and if it is not, what are the implications for the rather large cluster of prophetic interpretations that rest upon this idea of a treaty that will be broken "in the midst of the week"? (Daniel 9:27)

Daniel's 70th week is one of the premier prophetic passages in the entire Bible - but it has been distorted to the point where the interpretation that is popularly offered is so far off from what the text actually says that most believers simply take the interpretation for granted. This traditional interpretation has become so deeply ingrained that study Bibles routinely offer it in their margin notes. Indeed, few people are aware that it is this very text that is the primary passage used to teach the faulty idea of a 7-year tribulation, and the fictional 7-year treaty. The truth is, there is not one verse in the entire Bible that teaches either concept.

The key to Daniel's 70-Week passage is found in the summary of what is to occur during a period described as "70 weeks." That summary occurs in Daniel 9:24:

"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to
[a] finish the transgression
[b ] and to make an end of sins,
[c] and to make reconciliation for iniquity,
[d] and to bring in everlasting righteousness,
[e] and to seal up the vision and prophecy,
[f] and to anoint the most holy."

Various sequential aspects of the prophecy are then detailed, including how long it will be until the coming of "Messiah the prince," and how long His ministry will last. These details are found in verses 25 and 26. Then the prophecy bluntly informs us that after the Messiah has come and gone, an unnamed "people" will come and destroy "the city and the sanctuary." (verse 26)

The last aspect of the prophecy elaborates on the destruction of the sanctuary and the abominations that are to occur. It even describes the reason for the devastation as the text tells us it is "...for the overspreading of abominations [that] he shall make it desolate." (Daniel 9:27)

Once again, it's crucial that we see that Jesus the Messiah is the fulfillment of these prophecies - and the totality of what he accomplishes is in verse 24. One may simply read through the points of verse 24 and ask WHO fulfills each and every aspect of the prophecy? The answer is JESUS CHRIST.

Another way to approach this is to reverse the perspective. Does the Antichrist "finish the transgression?" Of course not. Can it be said that the Beast is the one who will "make an end of sins?" Obviously not. Does the Son of Perdition "make reconciliation for iniquity?" The answer is self-evident. Does the wicked one "seal up the vision and prophecy?" He does not. And does the Antichrist "anoint the most holy?" Of course not.

The focal point of the entire prophecy is JESUS CHRIST. It may also be instructive to recognize that because we are reading this prophecy so many years after its fulfillment we don't fully appreciate the incredible accuracy in it. We need to point out that Daniel's incredible work was written about 550 years before JESUS was born!

It's worth noting that the coming of the Messiah was always the central hope implied in virtually every prophecy. The belief that God would send a Messiah is the great historic longing that existed in almost every historic time period of Israel and Judah. One of the great wonders of this prophecy is that it not only provided precious details about the arrival of the Messiah, it even included a countdown to the events that would lead to his arrival!

Conversely, the Antichrist is never mentioned. There is no mention of a 7-year treaty, nor a 7-year tribulation. All of those understandings have been artificially attached to the prophecy. The central message in this entire prophecy is the arrival of the Messiah, and what will happen once he arrives. Having said that, let's take it chronologically.

The first part of the prophecy, after the summary in verse 24, breaks down the period into separate components. Verse 25 says that "from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the prince, shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks." Most prophecy teachers have recognized the 'year for a day' principle in this prophetic language. Under this perspective, each "week" is seen as a seven-year period. Thus, the first period of "seven weeks" may accurately be depicted as seven seven-year periods - or 49 years. The second period of "threescore and two weeks" (which is 62 weeks) may be seen as 62 seven-year periods, or 434 years. That totals 69 "weeks" or 483 years - leaving only the third period of one "week" (7 years) for the total of 70 weeks.

What the text is saying is that the commandment to build Jerusalem will trigger three time periods. To offer a rough paraphrase, it's telling us the commandment will be given, then 49 years later something related to the prophecy will happen. Then a period of 434 years will elapse, and then the Messiah will arrive. The last period of 7 years will then elapse. A characterization of the first portion of the prophecy is added when the text tells us the time when the sanctuary is to be rebuilt will be "troublous."

Textual evidence in the historical books of Nehemiah and Ezra suggest that it took about 49 years to rebuild the wall and the temple after the command to construct them was given by the Persian king Cyrus: "Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, The Lord God of heaven hath given me all the kingdoms of the earth; and he hath charged me to build him an house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah." (Ezra 1:2).

After the initial building period of 49 years elapsed, the second period of 434 years went by with almost nothing occurring that was related to the messianic expectation. This second period is the period between the last book of the Old Testament (Malachi) and the coming of Jesus Christ - and it turns out to be 434 years!

It is at this point that the gigantic error is made in the prophetic interpretation - and it changes the meaning of almost everything. Because the prophecy is broken up into 3 periods (49 years, 434 years, and 7 years), prophecy interpreters claim that the prophecy was "suspended" after the Messiah arrived, and the last 7-year period, which they identify as the tribulation, was pushed far into the future. They then say the Antichrist will emerge and inaugurate that last 7-year period. The problem is, the text never actually says any of that, nor does it even infer a gap between the 69th and 70th week.

The Messiah arrives after the 2nd period of 434 years (62 weeks in the text). There is no reason to believe the unfolding of the timeline stops at that point. Thus, the Messiah arrives at the beginning of the 70th week and it commenced when he arrived. Remember, the focus of the prophecy is on the Messiah who must accomplish everything specified within the 70-week period.

After the Messiah arrives, the text simply continues with the chronological description: "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off...." (Daniel 9:26) This verse is simply saying that after the second period of 434 years (the 62 weeks) has gone by, the Messiah is to be "cut off." It then continues the chronological statement from the point of the 'cutting off' and says that at some unspecified time after the Messiah is cut off, "the city and the sanctuary" will be destroyed.

In the next verse, the prophecy provides us with the details of the cutting off of the Saviour. Again, the focal point of the entire prophecy is the Messiah, so after he arrives, "he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week...." (Daniel 9:27) This is precisely what would be expected as when he arrived, there would be "one week" left to the 70 weeks. The obvious question should be how can the Antichrist suddenly get inserted into this prophecy and "confirm" a covenant that has never been mentioned? Indeed, the Antichrist himself has never been mentioned in the entire text!

...continued...

 

[doctrox]

Furthermore, it's useful to recognize that the term covenant is not the same term as the word treaty. We separate the Bible into the Old Testament and the New Testament, and the word "testament" is interchangeable with the term covenant (see Hebrews 9:15). On the other hand, a treaty is a political instrument that is used between nations - not a sacred agreement between God and man.

In the Old Testament, God made an agreement with man that if the people will adhere to his "covenant," he will protect and keep them and be their God. This is articulated in Exodus with the children of Israel where God says "Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people...." (Exodus 19:5). In the very passage in question in Daniel, which is prophetic on its face, God further promises that he will bring the Messiah who will confirm the covenant that he has already made.

Although it is a new covenant in that it brings out certain characteristics that were somewhat veiled in the Old Testament, because it is a covenant with Israel, it is actually a renewal of the covenant that God made through Moses. Thus in Jeremiah, God says "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel...." (Jeremiah 31:31)

Therefore, about 50 years after God promised to Jeremiah that he would remember Israel with another covenant that will build upon the existing covenant, he tells Daniel that "the Messiah the Prince...shall confirm the covenant with many...." (Daniel 9:25, 27).

The New Testament writers recognized this as the Apostle Paul explicitly wrote on the subject when he stated "And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after...." (Galatians 3:17) Through this confirmation, we learn that Christ is the heir of all the promises. He is the Seed of Abraham upon whom the blessings are bestowed, and he is the only one who "brings in everlasting righteousness." (Daniel 9:2).

The twist on the truth that has come to dominate the prophetic expectations of so many millions will reap a bitter harvest. As vast numbers of Christians are deceived on this subject, their lives and actions are predicated on a false understanding of the immediate future - and the fruit of it will be dreadful. Very few understand the enormous spiritual ramifications of embracing significant error in our prophetic perspective. Indeed, it was the fact that Israel did not recognize the time of their visitation from God that brought the nation of Israel to "the overspreading of abominations" that were the natural outgrowth of their refusal to recognize Jesus as their promised Messiah.

Literally millions upon millions of believers are now similarly deceived in that the person explicitly described in the scriptures as the MESSIAH is actually seen as the Antichrist. Our Saviour told the Pharisees that attributing the works of God to the Devil was the unpardonable sin (Matthew 12:31). The blind religious leaders of yesteryear claimed the person doing the miracles in their presence was actually a vessel of the Devil. The truth was, that person was Jesus Christ and the Jewish leaders committed blasphemy of the Holy Spirit in their refusal to recognize Jesus was the individual prophesied of in Daniel 9:27.

How is it any different when the modern day Pharisees, the denominational Christians of our time, are now claiming these magnificent prophecies apply to the Antichrist, when the exact opposite is true as these words testify of the awesome truth of "the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ"? (Titus 2:13) As the import of this great truth sinks in, it affects practically everything - including the actual identity of the chosen people, our individual standing in Christ, and the immediate future of America in a prophetic context.

The very fact that most "believers" will simply discard this pointed exegesis testifies that it is the organized churches that have perpetrated the great fraud that Christendom finds herself entangled in. And because of their lazy refusal to study the truth of the scriptures on a personal level - instead relying upon the false doctrines of their hireling shepherds - we will shortly see the big surprise in which so many that thought they were saved will be turned away. The scriptures will not be broken, and they tell us it is "for which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience." (Colossians 3:6)

Postscript: The majority reading this can't tell me who or what is "Israel."

The central issue confronting the last generation is related to the identity of Jesus Christ, and the identity of the believers, in relationship to him. Those who teach that “Israel” is a flesh and blood construct, existing side by side with the so called “Church” under the New Covenant, are in a lethal error. The Scriptures plainly state there is one body (Ephesians 4:4) of saved individuals based upon Spiritual regeneration in Christ (“ye must be born again”), and that body was chosen by the LORD, and consistently identified with Israel.

 

[MA2444]

It doesn't line up with scripture because nowhere in scripture is one week to be understood as 7 years.

It sure is in scripture.

Ezekial 4:6
6 And again, when thou hast accomplished these, thou shalt lie on thy right side, and shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah: forty days, each day for a year, have I appointed it unto thee..../KJV

He comes right out and says it right here. Prophetic days in scripture are always one year each. BTW, prophetic years are based on a 360 day calandar.

And that, Times, Time, and half a Time means 3 1/2 years. Times is plural so means two, Time is singular so is one. There's a lot to it and it's easy to get confused.

The truth lies in the details Brother.

 

[MA2444]

Furthermore, it's useful to recognize that the term covenant is not the same term as the word treaty.

How is that useful? Covenant means the same thing as Contract.

Now can you explain how Treaty does not mean Contract? Because it is a Contract and it's signed by both sides.

Then AC breaks the Treaty (Conrtract) and that's the same thing.

So...you lost me with what you said.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Mm

How is that useful? Covenant means the same thing as Contract.

Now can you explain how Treaty does not mean Contract? Because it is a Contract and it's signed by both sides.

Then AC breaks the Treaty (Conrtract) and that's the same thing.

So...you lost me with what you said.

No no. It is not a contract or agreement that can be broken. It is an everlasting covenant that God has with His people. It is like a will. The covenant cannot become a force or made strengthened UNTIL Christ has die with his Blood to confirm it. Please read Hebrews 9. This has NOTHING to do with your false vision of a peace treaty between the antichrist and Israel in the Middle East.

 

[MA2444]

Furthermore, it's useful to recognize that the term covenant is not the same term as the word treaty. We separate the Bible into the Old Testament and the New Testament, and the word "testament" is interchangeable with the term covenant (see Hebrews 9:15). On the other hand, a treaty is a political instrument that is used between nations - not a sacred agreement between God and man.

There is Covenants & Contracts both in Heaven and in Earth. There's two types basically. Unilateral and Bilateral. Unilateral only requires action from one party. Like when God Made the Covenant to never destroy the earth with a Flood again, and sealed it with a rainbow.

Bilateral requires action one two or more parties accounts. Like our Covenant with the Lord Jesus! It's Bilateral and requires us to Believe and confess with our mouth the Lord Jesus. And take action by repenting and ridding sin form our lives. In exchange the Lord reqrds us with everlasting life and to be able to dwell in His presence.

There are teachings about the Courts of Heaven and they are good! From what I understand, WHen Satan stands in line waiting to ask permission to sift us or whatever...he is in a courtroom litrrally. This is why satan is called the Accuser. He goes to Court in Heaven and accuses you of whatever, and tries to gain rights to you.

But the Court Case has already been ruled upon! Jesus Won! So if we are ever in that situation, it is wise to not explain yourself! Simply plead the Blood of Jesus. ....

Dismissed! Just like that.

So there are Contracts in the spiritual realm and there are man made Contracts on earth and they are similar.