Daniel's Final "one week" of Daniel 9:27 Made Simple

[Spiritual Israelite]

Why is three full weeks in Daniel 10:2 three literal weeks but 70 weeks in Daniel 9:24 7 is 490 years? Same Hebrew word.

Why not? Show me the rule in scripture itself which says that any words used in scripture must mean the same thing every time they are used. why do you try to interpret scripture tihs way instead of using spiritual discernment from the Holy Spirit like Paul says we should (1 Cor 2:9-16)?

 

[IndianaRob]

You are naive. Do you not know that all ChatGPT does is gather information from the Internet? Do you really think that you can trust everything that is said on the Internet? We don't get truth from potentially flawed and biased AI, we get truth from scripture. Stick to scripture.


Is the majority always right? Of course not. So, please stop being so naive and study the scriptures for yourself like the Bereans did (Acts 17:10-11).

Maybe you can show your research that proves ChatGPT got it wrong.

 

[IndianaRob]

Why not? Show me the rule in scripture itself which says that any words used in scripture must mean the same thing every time they are used. why do you try to interpret scripture tihs way instead of using spiritual discernment from the Holy Spirit like Paul says we should (1 Cor 2:9-16)?

What's your justification for treating the exact same word differently?

 

[Zao is life]

Try reading this from the NIV.

Genesis 29:27
New International Version
27 Finish this daughter’s bridal week; then we will give you the younger one also, in return for another seven years of work.”

Laban told Jacob to finish Leah's bridal WEEK (not 7 seven years, he had already completed the 7 years for Leah) THEN Laban would give Rachael in exchange for another 7 years.

It can't be made any clearer than that. Jacob served for 7 years, then he fulfilled Leahs bridal WEEK. When that week was finished Laban gave him Rachel to be his wife if he would serve Laban another 7 years.

Leah's bridal week has absolutely nothing to do with Jacob's 7 year service.

I don't have to read it from the NIV. The are other Bible versions whose translators have made the same error.

That's why the KJV is always a superior version to all the others.

The KJV speaks about "the overspreading of abominations" in Daniel 9:27. Try reading that in other translations. Compare them all and you will realize how flawed modern humans can be when translating modern versions of the scriptures.

It was not Leah's so-called "bridal week" Laban was referring to in - the marriage was consummated in one night - verse 23.

It was the seven years that Jacob had to serve Laban for in order for Rachel to be given to him in marriage:

27 Fulfill her week, and we will give you this one also for the service which you shall serve with me still another seven years.
28 And Jacob did so, and fulfilled her week. And he gave him Rachel his daughter to wife also.

According to your argument and the flawed NIV, Rachel was given to Jacob as wife after seven days.

 

[Zao is life]

What's your justification for treating the exact same word differently?

I would pray "God help the body of Christ" with even more urgency were it not for the fact that I've seen many a young scholar or ordinary young saint who isn't so naive as to think he can get answers to theological and eschatological questions from ChatGPT.

READ YOUR BIBLE AND PRAY TO GOD FOR UNDERSTANDING. ChatGPT is not God.

 

[IndianaRob]

I don't have to read it from the NIV. The are other Bible versions whose translators have made the same error.

That's why the KJV is always a superior version to all the others.

The KJV speaks about "the overspreading of abominations" in Daniel 9:27. Try reading that in other translations. Compare them all and you will realize how flawed modern humans can be when translating modern versions of the scriptures.

It was not Leah's so-called "bridal week" Laban was referring to in - the marriage was consummated in one night - verse 23.

It was the seven years that Jacob had to serve Laban for in order for Rachel to be given to him in marriage:

27 Fulfill her week, and we will give you this one also for the service which you shall serve with me still another seven years.
28 And Jacob did so, and fulfilled her week. And he gave him Rachel his daughter to wife also.

According to your argument and the flawed NIV, Rachel was given to Jacob as wife after seven days.

No point in going with this back and forth on this.

 

[IndianaRob]

I would pray "God help the body of Christ" with even more urgency were it not for the fact that I've seen many a young scholar or ordinary young saint who isn't so naive as to think he can get answers to theological and eschatological questions from ChatGPT.

READ YOUR BIBLE AND PRAY TO GOD FOR UNDERSTANDING. ChatGPT is not God.

I guess you could go Google when the week of years interpretation came about or you could go to the library and look it up I suppose but ChatGPT does that research infinitely faster and better than either of us can do it.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Maybe you can show your research that proves ChatGPT got it wrong.

LOL. I've already shared my view and you reject it. If you want to put your trust in AI over studying this for yourself and letting the Holy Spirit show you the truth of the matter, then I can't help you. Your flawed approach to interpreting scripture by trusting man's opinions and AI can't work.

 

[Zao is life]

I guess you could go Google when the week of years interpretation came about or you could go to the library and look it up I suppose but ChatGPT does that research infinitely faster and better than either of us can do it.

Well it does not matter what you or I believe regarding the seventy weeks in Daniel 9:27. You believe it's 490 days. I believe it's 490 years. What matters is what we believe about how we are saved and who it is who saved us, and how He saved us, what saves us, and who He is.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What's your justification for treating the exact same word differently?

Because words have more than one definition and interpreting it as weeks of years lines up with scripture, overall. Tell me again what command was given 483 days before Christ came which commanded to restore and build Jerusalem? Who gave that command?

 

[Zao is life]

I guess you could go Google when the week of years interpretation came about or you could go to the library and look it up I suppose but ChatGPT does that research infinitely faster and better than either of us can do it.

I guess if you were informed enough then you would know that ChatGPT will have searched through the answers it finds in the Internet which were all posted by flawed humans giving different answers and that ChatGPT would have taken the most popular one among those that it found.

@IndianaRob Honestly, you rely too much on other humans to gain understanding of the scriptures. You need to read the Bible yourself - but only after asking God in prayer to give you the understanding of His Word because He gives to all who ask liberally, and without reproach. He may only give you the understanding of what you read today in 5 years time, He may give it to you immediately. But give it to you, He will, You just need to be patient and rely on God and not on any other human - nor me, nor anyone else in these forums. Background knowledge of history etc and research of idioms common to the era and stuff like that is also needed and helps, but other humans? Naaah. ChatGPT relies on flawed humans for all its answers to stuff like that.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I guess you could go Google when the week of years interpretation came about or you could go to the library and look it up I suppose but ChatGPT does that research infinitely faster and better than either of us can do it.

Your trust in ChatGPT is foolish. I can't even believe what I'm seeing here. ChatGPT simply gathers info from around the Internet and puts it all together and sums it up in one place. That includes the lies that are told on the Internet. It doesn't perfectly differentiate between truth and lies, it just gathers all of the information it finds. Study scripture for yourself instead of relying on things like ChatGPT.

 

[IndianaRob]

LOL. I've already shared my view and you reject it. If you want to put your trust in AI over studying this for yourself and letting the Holy Spirit show you the truth of the matter, then I can't help you. Your flawed approach to interpreting scripture by trusting man's opinions and AI can't work.

I'm not asking you anything about your views I'm asking you to show your research about WHEN the week of years interpretation came about. If you can't do it that's fine.

 

[IndianaRob]

Well it does not matter what you or I believe regarding the seventy weeks in Daniel 9:27. You believe it's 490 days. I believe it's 490 years. What matters is what we believe about how we are saved and who it is who saved us, and how He saved us, what saves us, and who He is.

I like that!

 

[Zao is life]

I'm not asking you anything about your views I'm asking you to show your research about WHEN the week of years interpretation came about. If you can't do it that's fine.

Check the passage for WHEN the interpretation came about - because the passage dates it to beginning with the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem - which was more like 490 years before Messiah was due to come than 490 days.

Why are you asking us to give you a date as to when the count started when you can do your research in the scriptures (first) and then find out through historical research whether the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem came 490 days or 490 years before the Messiah came?

 

[IndianaRob]

Your trust in ChatGPT is foolish. I can't even believe what I'm seeing here. ChatGPT simply gathers info from around the Internet and puts it all together and sums it up in one place. That includes the lies that are told on the Internet. It doesn't perfectly differentiate between truth and lies, it just gathers all of the information it finds. Study scripture for yourself instead of relying on things like ChatGPT.

I don't think your assertions are fair because you're trying to make it sound like I use ChatGPT to understand the bible when you know I used it to get the time period of when the week for years interpretation came about.

 

[Zao is life]

I like that!

It's true. But I still disagree with you on your "days" interpretation of Daniel 9:24-27.

@IndianaRob that's from one flawed human to another.

 

[IndianaRob]

Check the passage for WHEN the interpretation came about - because the passage dates it to beginning with the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem - which was more like 490 years before Messiah was due to come than 490 days.

Why are you asking us to give you a date as to when the count started when you can do your research in the scriptures (first) and then find out through historical research whether the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem came 490 days or 490 years before the Messiah came?

The early Jews and Christians believed in the literal week interpretation, but when the Catholics came around they brought in the week of years interpretation.

 

[IndianaRob]

It's true. But I still disagree with you on your "days" interpretation of Daniel 9:24-27.

@IndianaRob that's from one flawed human to another.

I don't mind if you disagree, I just put what God has shown me through the scriptures... if people don't like it I'm cool with that. We each have our own walks.

 

[Zao is life]

The early Jews and Christians believed in the literal week interpretation, but when the Catholics came around they brought in the week of years interpretation.

I doubt it. I can almost guarantee you the early Christians argued just as much as we do today about the meaning of certain things in scripture. Paul's theology was certainly not shared by the Christian Church in Jerusalem, who were more like today's Torah-observant Messianic Jews - and there is disagreement between Jews as well in the same issue even today.