Daniel's Final "one week" of Daniel 9:27 Made Simple

[Spiritual Israelite]

Anybody care to explain why Daniel mourned for 3 literal weeks but somehow the week that Messiah confirmed the covenant God made with Abraham morphs into 7 years?

I can tell you how that happens. It’s because certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness.

You guys who believe the 70 weeks of years heresy have fallen right into their trap. Even to the extent that you have changed the grace of God (Daniel 9:27) into “The Antichrist” signing a “7 year peace treaty” with the Jews.

Get a grip. Are you somehow not aware that there are many of us who believe that it's 70 weeks of years but believe that the 70th week is fulfilled and that it's talking about Jesus confirming the new covenant and had nothing to do with a future Antichrist signing a 7 year peace treaty? Calling it "the 70 weeks of years heresy" is nonsense. You have been shown how it can be seen as 70 weeks of yeas without it having anything to do with a future Antichrist and you have chosen to just ignore that.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

One of the huge errors you make in your post is by assuming the 70 weeks prophecy of Daniel 9 involves Bible prophecies for Christ's Church when it is actually for Daniel's people and Jerusalem, per the Daniel 9:24. So all those things are to be compared to the Orthodox Jews which are Daniel's people and represent a majority in today's Jerusalem...

Dan 9:24
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
KJV

1. "to finish the transgression" -- this transgression is the 'transgression of desolation' of Dan.8, which is the "abomination that maketh desolate" of Dan.11:31 that Jesus quoted in Matthew 24 and Mark 13 to be setup in the "holy place" at the end of this world.

2. "and to make an end of sins" -- has this happened today for the Orthodox unbelieving Jews in today's Jerusalem? No, since the majority of them still do not believe Jesus of Nazareth is Christ The Messiah.

3. "and to make reconciliation for iniquity" -- Apostle Paul said in Rom.11 that God will forgive their sin, but he said that in conjunction with the fullness of the Gentiles having come in, which is on the day when Jesus returns in the future, and thus removes the spiritual blindness He put upon the majority of Jews.

This is all utterly ridiculous. God has forgiven the sins of many Jews over the past almost 2,000 years since the gospel of Christ first started being preached. There were 3,000 Jews saved on the day of Pentecost alone (Acts 2:41). The fulfillment of these things is not dependent on a majority of (or all) Jews believing in Christ or any nonsense like that.

Jesus made reconciliation for the sins of the Jews long ago! What more does He need to do for them except what He has already done by shedding His blood for them? Nothing! He said "It is finished". You have the mistaken notion that when God made a majority of Jews blind that they were then blinded the rest of their lives. No. Read Romans 11 more carefully. Read this...

Romans 11: I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? 13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: 14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

After previously talking about how there was a remnant of Israelites in his day that were saved while "the rest were blinded" (Romans 11:7), Paul asked "Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid.". In your doctrine they did fall, but Paul said they only stumbled and did not fall. And he pointed out that this happened in order for salvation to come to the Gentiles who, in turn, were to provoke those blinded Isrealites to jealousy so that they too would want to be saved the way Jews like Paul and the Gentiles were. And Paul himself said that he hoped to help "save some of them". And I'm sure he did.

So, you are not recognizing that their blindness was not permanent even in Paul's day. You act as if God permanently withheld salvation from some Jews at that time and ever since then until a future time, but that is not what Paul taught. God wants everyone to be saved (1 Timothy 2:3-6), so why would He withhold the opportunity of salvation from anyone? He wouldn't do that.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It is clear what the 70 weeks are about.

Seventy Weeks and the Messiah​

24 “Seventy weeks [of years, or 490 years] have been decreed for your people and for your holy city (Jerusalem),

to finish the transgression,
to make an end of sins,
to make atonement (reconciliation) for wickedness,
to bring in everlasting righteousness (right-standing with God),
to seal up vision and prophecy and prophet,
and to anoint the Most Holy Place.

If just one of the above is fulfilled, then they all are in 70 weeks.

Has Jesus made atonement and brought us into right standing with himself and opened up the way into the Holy place?


Heb 9
11 But when Christ appeared as a High Priest of the good things to come [that is, true spiritual worship], He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not a part of this [material] creation. 12 He went once for all into the Holy Place [the Holy of Holies of heaven, into the presence of God], and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, having obtained and secured eternal redemption [that is, the salvation of all who personally believe in Him as Savior].

13 For if the sprinkling of [ceremonially] defiled persons with the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a [burnt] heifer is sufficient for the cleansing of the body, 14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal [Holy] Spirit willingly offered Himself unblemished [that is, without moral or spiritual imperfection as a sacrifice] to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works and lifeless observances to serve the ever living God?

15 For this reason He is the Mediator and Negotiator of a new covenant [that is, an entirely new agreement uniting God and man], so that those who have been called [by God] may receive [the fulfillment of] the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has taken place [as the payment] which redeems them from the sins committed under the obsolete first covenant.


24 For Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but [He entered] into heaven itself, now to appear in the very presence of God on our behalf; 25 nor did He [enter into the heavenly sanctuary to] offer Himself again and again, as the high priest enters the Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. 26 Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer over and over since the foundation of the world; but now once for all at the consummation of the ages He has appeared and been publicly manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27 And just as it is appointed and destined for all men to die once and after this [comes certain] judgment, 28 so Christ, having been offered once and once for all to bear [as a burden] the sins of many, will appear a second time [when he returns to earth], not to deal with sin, but to bring salvation to those who are eagerly and confidently waiting for Him.


Beware of those who suggest we are still in our sins by placing the 70th week of atonement in the distant future.

When Jesus comes a second time will he deal with sin?

Clearly not, as he already did in what must have been the 70th week.

Amen, Jeff! People don't realize that when Jesus said "It is finished" He was saying He finished what He came to do and what He came to do is to fulfill the things described in Daniel 9:24.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Brethren in Christ -- BEWARE of those who try to convince you that the final 70th week of Daniel 9 was included within Christ's Ministry.

No, BEWARE of those like Davy here who try to convince you that the 70th week of Daniel 9 was not included within Christ's ministry. Just look at Daniel 9:24 and tell me how the things listed in that verse could possibly be fulfilled apart from Christ's death? Impossible! What other way is there to make reconciliation for iniquity, finish the transgression and make an end of sins besides the shed blood of Christ? There is no other way! Only Jesus Christ could possibly fulfill the six things listed in that verse and that is a fact. He said "It is finished.". Believe it. What else can He do for the Jews besides die for their sins? Nothing! It is finished! That prophecy is all about Jesus Christ and what He would accomplish for Daniel's people, the Jews. To make it about anything else is to fall for the lie of the devil!

 

[IndianaRob]

Wrong. It is a Christian doctrine. Catholics believe that Jesus died and rose again. Does that mean His death and resurrection is a Roman Catholic doctrine?

The doctrine was 70 weeks meant 70 weeks until the Roman Catholics changed it.

In other words the writers of the New Testament and believes up until the Catholic Church came along believed 70 weeks were 70 weeks.

 

[IndianaRob]

Get a grip. Are you somehow not aware that there are many of us who believe that it's 70 weeks of years but believe that the 70th week is fulfilled and that it's talking about Jesus confirming the new covenant and had nothing to do with a future Antichrist signing a 7 year peace treaty? Calling it "the 70 weeks of years heresy" is nonsense. You have been shown how it can be seen as 70 weeks of yeas without it having anything to do with a future Antichrist and you have chosen to just ignore that.

When someone reads the same Hebrew word one way in one verse and then another way in another verse then that person is changing the Bible to their view instead of allowing the bible to change their incorrect view…. That is heretical.

 

[jeffweeder]

This is all utterly ridiculous. God has forgiven the sins of many Jews over the past almost 2,000 years since the gospel of Christ first started being preached. There were 3,000 Jews saved on the day of Pentecost alone (Acts 2:41). The fulfillment of these things is not dependent on a a majority of (or all) Jews believing in Christ or any nonsense like that.

Jesus made reconciliation for the sins of the Jews long ago! What more does He need to do for them except what He has already done by shedding His blood for them? Nothing! He said "It is finished". You have the mistaken notion that when God made a majority of Jews blind that they were then blinded the rest of their lives. No. Read Romans 11 more carefully. Read this...

Absolutely true.
Towards the end of the Babylonian captivity of 70 years, Daniel is fervently praying for his people's sins.
The answer to that prayer was that Messiah would come and deal with the people's sin in the most wonderful way imaginable.
Those Babylonian exiles were given a time frame of 70 weeks once they returned back to their homeland.
A countdown of 69 weeks began then until their promised beloved Messiah would come and usher in a new and living fellowship with the Lord their God through Messiah Jesus our Lord that has blessed and included all the people of the whole earth.
Today if you hear his voice do not delay.

 

[Zao is life]

When someone reads the same Hebrew word one way in one verse and then another way in another verse then that person is changing the Bible to their view instead of allowing the bible to change their incorrect view…. That is heretical.

Here (the enlarged font below the first verse quoted, in case your changing of the meaning of Hebrew words causes you to miss it):

"And Jacob loved Rachel; and said, I will serve you seven [H7651 sheba] years for Rachel your younger daughter." -- Genesis 29:18

7651 sheba
7651 sheba` sheh'-bah or (masculine) shibrah {shib-aw'}; from 7650; a primitive cardinal number; seven (as the sacred full one); also (adverbially) seven times; by implication, a week; by extension, an indefinite number:--(+ by) seven(-fold),-s, (-teen, -teenth), -th, times). see HEBREW for 07650

7650 shaba` shaw-bah' a primitive root; propr. to be complete, but used only as a denominative from 7651; to seven oneself, i.e. swear (as if by repeating a declaration seven times):--adjure, charge (by an oath, with an oath), feed to the full (by mistake for 7646), take an oath, X straitly, (cause to, make to) swear.

"And it came to pass, that in the morning, behold, it was Leah: and he said to Laban, What is this you have done unto me? did not I serve with you for Rachel? wherefore then have you misled me? And Laban said, It must not be so done in our country, to give the younger before the firstborn.

Fulfill her week [H7620 shabua], and we will give you this also for the service which you shall serve with me yet seven other years. And Jacob did so, and fulfilled her week [H7620 shabua]: and he gave him Rachel his daughter to wife also."

7620 shabuwa` shaw-boo'-ah or shabuan {shaw-boo'-ah}; also (feminine) shbu.ah {sheb-oo-aw'}; properly, passive participle of 7650 as a denominative of 7651; literal, sevened, i.e. a week (specifically, of years):--seven, week.

The heresy is yours, because you have betrayed the fact that you are only going to see in scripture a meaning that you yourself have chosen, rather than what is written.

 

[Zao is life]

Brethren in Christ -- BEWARE of those who try to convince you that the final 70th week of Daniel 9 was included within Christ's Ministry.

They will try to keep you dwelling on the sole Daniel 9:27 verse. Yet there are many, many other statements of prophecy in God's Word which prove Daniel's final "one week" is still yet to be fulfilled to this day.

1. The Dan.9:27 verse involves the ending of the Jew's daily sacrifices along with the PLACING of an "abomination that maketh desolate" event in Daniel 11:31 done by the "vile person" spoken of starting at Dan.11:21. Both... of those events are mentioned in Dan.9:27 and in Dan.11:31. So why would someone want to disregard the Dan.11 chapter on that?

2. Daniel 11:21 forward reveals the "vile person" will make a "league" in Jerusalem with a small people (small group). That... is the idea of the confirming of the covenant that Dan.9:27 is pointing to.

3. God gave us a pattern for that ending of sacrifices in Jerusalem and the placing of an IDOL abomination inside the Jew's temple by Antiochus Epiphanes in 165 B.C. that conquered Jerusalem with an army, went inside the 2nd temple at Jerusalem, and sacrificed swine upon the altar inside, and spread its broth around inside the temple, and then setup an IDOL to false Zeus worship.

4. But around 200 years, Lord Jesus Christ quoting from the Daniel Scripture in His Olivet discourse of Matthew 24 and Mark 13, warning us about a false-Christ coming at the end of this world, with the placing of an "abomination of desolation" in another temple in Jerusalem, causing a repeat of the pattern of Antiochus IV.

5. Then the Daniel 7 and 8 Chapters have direct parallels to the Book of Revelation about the very end of this world. The "little horn" of Daniel 7 & 8 represents the beast king of Revelation 17 that the ten horns (ten kings) will give their power to for "one hour" (put for the "great tribulation" at the end of this world).

6. Even the Daniel 2 Chapter reveals that in the days of those kings, when the final beast of 5 pieces are setup together, the feet of ten toes (ten kings) of part iron and part clay, are destroyed as one beast by The Stone (Jesus Christ) which the builders rejected, smiting it upon its feet, then shall Christ's Eternal Kingdom be established over all this earth.

So just trying to dwell on the sole Daniel 9:27 verse does not get it done. The Book of Daniel and the Book of Revelation about the end are hard connected, along with Christ's Olivet discourse of Matthew 24 and Mark 13.

So don't let anyone sway you from a proper coverage in all of God's Word with trying to use a single verse to feed you an old moldy sandwich from men's doctrines.

The 70 weeks prophecy is about the coming of the Messiah and the prophecy states that when He when He comes, He will be cut off after the 69th week (hence in the middle of the final week), and the city and sanctuary would be destroyed.

Jewish Rabbis who know this prophecy are unable to explain why the Messiah "is 2,000 late" because they know that this prophecy is stating that Messiah had to come before the destruction of the 2nd temple, which took place in 70 AD.

You don't know this, because you can't read - because the Hebrew word achar in Daniel 9:26 is correctly translated as "after" - and just as 2025 comes after 2024, so the Messiah was cut off after the 69th week (hence in the midst of the 70th week).

We don't need more proof than the above but there are other proofs of this besides the above. For example, as the late Christian Gedge discovered, the 70 weeks was the last of four cycles of 70 weeks (of years) which began when Jacob saw the ladder and ended when Jesus rose again from the dead (see "The Atonement Clock" by the late Christian Gedge).

And you shove the square peg of Antiochus IV and the idol - his abomination of desolation in the holy place (of the 2nd temple) that did not result in, and is not associated with, the destruction of either the city or the temple - into the round hole of abominations (plural) that are associated with the destruction of both.

Messiah:

"And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself.

The people of the prince that would come:

"And the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

Messiah:

"And he (Messiah - not the people of the prince that shall come) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he (Messiah - not the people of the prince that shall come) shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,

and on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

The means by which the city and the sanctuary was made desolate was the Roman armies - the people of the prince that would come.

In the process of being cut off, He fulfilled what the Rabbis call the "Messiah ben Yosef" prophecies regarding the suffering servant who would die for the people,

but He could not fulfill what the Rabbis call the "Messiah ben David" prophecies regarding the Messiah who would judge the nations and deliver Israel from its enemies, because He was cut off in the middle of the week by the people whom He had come to save.

The rest of the prophecies which He would have fulfilled had He not been cut off, He will fulfill when those who caused Him to be cut off say of Him,

"Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD".

.. but the majority of Jews only recognize the "Messiah ben David" prophecies, and reject the notion that God could become a man and die for their sins, and so they still reject Him;

and the majority of the Gentiles who believe in Him only recognize the "Messiah ben Yosef" prophecies, and reject the notion that He will save the Jews and their city (Jerusalem) from their enemies when He returns, after the Jews exclaim, "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD".

So the final 42 months of the 70th week were not fulfilled by Jesus.

The Revelation tells us that the son of perdition is going to come and claim to be God, and that the beast that ascended out of the abyss will be allowed by God to continue for 42 months, and then Christ will return.

The person whose teaching you need to be beware of more than any other, is your own.​

 

[IndianaRob]

Here (the enlarged font below the first verse quoted, in case your changing of the meaning of Hebrew words causes you to miss it):

"And Jacob loved Rachel; and said, I will serve you seven [H7651 sheba] years for Rachel your younger daughter." -- Genesis 29:18

7651 sheba
7651 sheba` sheh'-bah or (masculine) shibrah {shib-aw'}; from 7650; a primitive cardinal number; seven (as the sacred full one); also (adverbially) seven times; by implication, a week; by extension, an indefinite number:--(+ by) seven(-fold),-s, (-teen, -teenth), -th, times). see HEBREW for 07650

7650 shaba` shaw-bah' a primitive root; propr. to be complete, but used only as a denominative from 7651; to seven oneself, i.e. swear (as if by repeating a declaration seven times):--adjure, charge (by an oath, with an oath), feed to the full (by mistake for 7646), take an oath, X straitly, (cause to, make to) swear.

"And it came to pass, that in the morning, behold, it was Leah: and he said to Laban, What is this you have done unto me? did not I serve with you for Rachel? wherefore then have you misled me? And Laban said, It must not be so done in our country, to give the younger before the firstborn.

Fulfill her week [H7620 shabua], and we will give you this also for the service which you shall serve with me yet seven other years. And Jacob did so, and fulfilled her week [H7620 shabua]: and he gave him Rachel his daughter to wife also."

7620 shabuwa` shaw-boo'-ah or shabuan {shaw-boo'-ah}; also (feminine) shbu.ah {sheb-oo-aw'}; properly, passive participle of 7650 as a denominative of 7651; literal, sevened, i.e. a week (specifically, of years):--seven, week.

The heresy is yours, because you have betrayed the fact that you are only going to see in scripture a meaning that you yourself have chosen, rather than what is written.

Why didn’t you post the rest of the story?

Gen 29:28 And Jacob did so, and fulfilled her week: and he gave him Rachel his daughter to wife also. - Jacob fulfilled her WEEK(7days) and was given to be the wife of Jacob.

Gen 29:29 And Laban gave to Rachel his daughter Bilhah his handmaid to be her maid.


Gen 29:30 And he went in also unto Rachel, and he loved also Rachel more than Leah, and served with him yet seven other years. - Jacob is now having sex with Rachel because he is married to Rachel because he fulfilled her WEEK. Now AFTER the week and the consummation of the marriage, Jacob serves Laban 7 years AFTER per his agreement with Laban.

 

[Zao is life]

Why didn’t you post the rest of the story?

Gen 29:28 And Jacob did so, and fulfilled her week: and he gave him Rachel his daughter to wife also. - Jacob fulfilled her WEEK(7days) and was given to be the wife of Jacob.

Gen 29:29 And Laban gave to Rachel his daughter Bilhah his handmaid to be her maid.


Gen 29:30 And he went in also unto Rachel, and he loved also Rachel more than Leah, and served with him yet seven other years. - Jacob is now having sex with Rachel because he is married to Rachel because he fulfilled her WEEK. Now AFTER the week and the consummation of the marriage, Jacob serves Laban 7 years AFTER per his agreement with Laban.

That week of Jacob serving Laban is seven years, each time. Read the context instead of only what in your heretical mind you choose to see and not to see.

 

[IndianaRob]

That week of Jacob serving Laban is seven years, each time. Read the context instead of only what in your heretical mind you choose to see and not to see.

What part of this are arguing?

Here Jacob fulfills her week and Laban gave Rachel to Jacob.
Gen 29:28 And Jacob did so, and fulfilled her week: and he gave him Rachel his daughter to wife also

Here Jacob is having sex with with his wife… They are married and the seven years are still not fulfilled. The seven years are fulfilled after the marriage.

Gen 29:30 And he went in also unto Rachel, and he loved also Rachel more than Leah, and served with him yet seven other years.

Pleas explain what I’m getting wrong here? Are you suggesting Jacob and Rachel are having premarital sex or are you saying They married before the seven years were fulfilled?

 

[Zao is life]

What part of this are arguing?

Here Jacob fulfills her week and Laban gave Rachel to Jacob.
Gen 29:28 And Jacob did so, and fulfilled her week: and he gave him Rachel his daughter to wife also

Here Jacob is having sex with with his wife… They are married and the seven years are still not fulfilled. The seven years are fulfilled after the marriage.

Gen 29:30 And he went in also unto Rachel, and he loved also Rachel more than Leah, and served with him yet seven other years.

Pleas explain what I’m getting wrong here? Are you suggesting Jacob and Rachel are having premarital sex or are you saying They married before the seven years were fulfilled?

You're talking nonsense. Get sex off the brain. Jacob fulfilling her week = Jacob serving Laban for seven years in order for Laban to give his daughter to Jacob as his wife.

Read it from verse 23. You will see Jacob consummating his marriage with Leah in verse 23 and with Rachel in verse 30:

23 And it came to pass in the evening, that he took Leah his daughter, and brought her to him; and he went in unto her.
24 And Laban gave unto his daughter Leah Zilpah his maid for an handmaid.
25 And it came to pass, that in the morning, behold, it was Leah: and he said to Laban, What is this thou hast done unto me? did not I serve with thee for Rachel? wherefore then hast thou beguiled me?
26 And Laban said, It must not be so done in our country, to give the younger before the firstborn.
27 Fulfil her (Rachel's) week (seven years), and we will give thee this (Rachel) also for the service which thou shalt serve with me yet seven other years.
28 And Jacob did so, and fulfilled her week: and (when the seven years was fulfilled) he gave him Rachel his daughter to wife also.
29 And Laban gave to Rachel his daughter Bilhah his handmaid to be her maid.
30 And he went in also unto Rachel, and he loved also Rachel more than Leah, and served with him yet seven other years (for Rachel).

Verse 30 closes the account with a summary of what took place. It's typical of the style of writing seen in the Old Testament books.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The doctrine was 70 weeks meant 70 weeks until the Roman Catholics changed it.

Nonsense.

In other words the writers of the New Testament and believes up until the Catholic Church came along believed 70 weeks were 70 weeks.

Nope. You're making things up. Ask God for wisdom about this instead of trying to determine the truth by ridiculous methods like this (James 1:5-7).

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

When someone reads the same Hebrew word one way in one verse and then another way in another verse then that person is changing the Bible to their view instead of allowing the bible to change their incorrect view…. That is heretical.

That is nonsense. Just as is the case in English and all languages, Hebrew words have more than one definition. And who are you to say that the Bible can't use words figuratively instead of literally? There are many cases of that in prophecy.

 

[IndianaRob]

You're talking nonsense. Get sex off the brain. Jacob fulfilling her week = Jacob serving Laban for seven years in order for Laban to give his daughter to Jacob as his wife.

Read it from verse 23. You will see Jacob consummating his marriage with Leah in verse 23 and with Rachel in verse 30:

23 And it came to pass in the evening, that he took Leah his daughter, and brought her to him; and he went in unto her.
24 And Laban gave unto his daughter Leah Zilpah his maid for an handmaid.
25 And it came to pass, that in the morning, behold, it was Leah: and he said to Laban, What is this thou hast done unto me? did not I serve with thee for Rachel? wherefore then hast thou beguiled me?
26 And Laban said, It must not be so done in our country, to give the younger before the firstborn.
27 Fulfil her (Rachel's) week (seven years), and we will give thee this (Rachel) also for the service which thou shalt serve with me yet seven other years.
28 And Jacob did so, and fulfilled her week: and (when the seven years was fulfilled) he gave him Rachel his daughter to wife also.
29 And Laban gave to Rachel his daughter Bilhah his handmaid to be her maid.
30 And he went in also unto Rachel, and he loved also Rachel more than Leah, and served with him yet seven other years (for Rachel).

Verse 30 closes the account with a summary of what took place. It's typical of the style of writing seen in the Old Testament books.

Try reading this from the NIV.

Genesis 29:27
New International Version
27 Finish this daughter’s bridal week; then we will give you the younger one also, in return for another seven years of work.”

Laban told Jacob to finish Leah's bridal WEEK (not 7 seven years, he had already completed the 7 years for Leah) THEN Laban would give Rachael in exchange for another 7 years.

It can't be made any clearer than that. Jacob served for 7 years, then he fulfilled Leahs bridal WEEK. When that week was finished Laban gave him Rachel to be his wife if he would serve Laban another 7 years.

Leah's bridal week has absolutely nothing to do with Jacob's 7 year service.

 

[Marty fox]

Who would the Jews living in the time of the Maccabees thought that Daniels 70th week was about?

Who was Daniel writing too?

See post #17

 

[IndianaRob]

Nonsense.


Nope. You're making things up. Ask God for wisdom about this instead of trying to determine the truth by ridiculous methods like this (James 1:5-7).

No it's not nonsense and no I not making anything up.

I asked ChatGPT where the interpretation of 70 weeks of years came from and this the response.

The interpretation of Daniel's "70 weeks" as 70 weeks of years is generally credited to early Christian scholars, such as Hippolytus of Rome (c. 170–235 AD) and later figures like Irenaeus (c. 130–202 AD). This method of interpretation became more formalized through the works of later scholars such as Augustine of Hippo (354–430 AD). They applied this interpretation to understand the prophecy in the context of Christian eschatology and to correlate it with the life and mission of Jesus Christ.

I then asked what was the consensus prior to this and this was the response.

Before the interpretation of Daniel's "70 weeks" as 70 weeks of years became prominent, the consensus among Jewish scholars was typically a literal interpretation, viewing the "weeks" as actual weeks of days. This approach saw the "70 weeks" as periods of seven days rather than seven years, focusing on the more immediate and historical context of the prophecy. This view understood the prophecy in relation to specific historical events and periods affecting the Jewish people. The transformation into a "weeks of years" interpretation was a later development influenced by Christian theological perspectives.

 

[IndianaRob]

That is nonsense. Just as is the case in English and all languages, Hebrew words have more than one definition. And who are you to say that the Bible can't use words figuratively instead of literally? There are many cases of that in prophecy.

Why is three full weeks in Daniel 10:2 three literal weeks but 70 weeks in Daniel 9:24 7 is 490 years? Same Hebrew word.

Daniel 10:2
In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.

Daniel 9:24
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No it's not nonsense and no I not making anything up.

I asked ChatGPT where the interpretation of 70 weeks of years came from and this the response.

The interpretation of Daniel's "70 weeks" as 70 weeks of years is generally credited to early Christian scholars, such as Hippolytus of Rome (c. 170–235 AD) and later figures like Irenaeus (c. 130–202 AD). This method of interpretation became more formalized through the works of later scholars such as Augustine of Hippo (354–430 AD). They applied this interpretation to understand the prophecy in the context of Christian eschatology and to correlate it with the life and mission of Jesus Christ.

You are naive. Do you not know that all ChatGPT does is gather information from the Internet? Do you really think that you can trust everything that is said on the Internet? We don't get truth from potentially flawed and biased AI, we get truth from scripture. Stick to scripture.

I then asked what was the consensus prior to this and this was the response.

Before the interpretation of Daniel's "70 weeks" as 70 weeks of years became prominent, the consensus among Jewish scholars was typically a literal interpretation, viewing the "weeks" as actual weeks of days. This approach saw the "70 weeks" as periods of seven days rather than seven years, focusing on the more immediate and historical context of the prophecy. This view understood the prophecy in relation to specific historical events and periods affecting the Jewish people. The transformation into a "weeks of years" interpretation was a later development influenced by Christian theological perspectives.

Is the majority always right? Of course not. So, please stop being so naive and study the scriptures for yourself like the Bereans did (Acts 17:10-11).