When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

[Eternally Grateful]

No His promise of the land of Caanan was conditioned upon their obedience to God.

No it was not

1. Gen 12: Now the Lord had said to Abram:
“Get out of your country, From your family And from your father’s house, To a land that I will show you. 2 I will make you a great nation;

Where is the command to follow the law?

2. Gen 15: 7 Then He said to him, “I am the Lord, who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans, to give you this land to inherit it.”
8 And he said, “Lord God, how shall I know that I will inherit it?” 9 So He said to him, “Bring Me a three-year-old heifer, a three-year-old female goat, a three-year-old ram, a turtledove, and a young pigeon.” 10 Then he brought all these to Him and cut them in two, down the middle, and placed each piece opposite the other; but he did not cut the birds in two. 11 And when the vultures came down on the carcasses, Abram drove them away. 12 Now when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and behold, horror and great darkness fell upon him. 13 Then He said to Abram: “Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years. 14 And also the nation whom they serve I will judge; afterward they shall come out with great possessions. 15 Now as for you, you shall [d]go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried at a good old age. 16 But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.” 17 And it came to pass, when the sun went down and it was dark, that behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a burning torch that passed between those pieces. 18 On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying:
“To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates— 19 the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites, 20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, 21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.”

Where is the command to follow the law?

3. Gen 17: 4 “As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, and you shall be a father of many nations. 5 No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for I have made you a father of many nations. 6 I will make you exceedingly fruitful; and I will make nations of you, and kings shall come from you. 7 And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you. 8 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”

once again, where is the command to keep the law?

Where was the command to remain obedient?

Where was Israel part of the covenant?

there was none. God Said I GIVE YOU AND YOUR DECENDENTS.

IE. An I WILL covenant.

Under the New Covenant through the blood of Christ there is no conditional covenant because the New Covenant is FOREVER to all who believe. I have nothing to worry about because I have Christ's Spirit within, and He shall be with me until I receive an immortal & incorruptible body when Christ comes again. The Old Covenant nation were not indwelt with the Holy Spirit. That did not come to pass until after the first advent of Christ coming as a man.

It was not a conditional covenant.

the new covenant concerns who gets to heaven. Not who gets what land.

and it is not jew or gentile. or not concerning land. it concerns the heavenly above.. whoever you are.

And it is not really new, it is a fulfillment of the abrahamic covenant "in you shall ALL the NATIONS of the world BE BLESSED

the new covenant is that blessing concerning all nations on earth

 

[rwb]

No it was not

1. Gen 12: Now the Lord had said to Abram:
“Get out of your country, From your family And from your father’s house, To a land that I will show you. 2 I will make you a great nation;

Where is the command to follow the law?

2. Gen 15: 7 Then He said to him, “I am the Lord, who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans, to give you this land to inherit it.”
8 And he said, “Lord God, how shall I know that I will inherit it?” 9 So He said to him, “Bring Me a three-year-old heifer, a three-year-old female goat, a three-year-old ram, a turtledove, and a young pigeon.” 10 Then he brought all these to Him and cut them in two, down the middle, and placed each piece opposite the other; but he did not cut the birds in two. 11 And when the vultures came down on the carcasses, Abram drove them away. 12 Now when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and behold, horror and great darkness fell upon him. 13 Then He said to Abram: “Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years. 14 And also the nation whom they serve I will judge; afterward they shall come out with great possessions. 15 Now as for you, you shall [d]go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried at a good old age. 16 But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.” 17 And it came to pass, when the sun went down and it was dark, that behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a burning torch that passed between those pieces. 18 On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying:
“To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates— 19 the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites, 20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, 21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.”

Where is the command to follow the law?

3. Gen 17: 4 “As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, and you shall be a father of many nations. 5 No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for I have made you a father of many nations. 6 I will make you exceedingly fruitful; and I will make nations of you, and kings shall come from you. 7 And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you. 8 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”

once again, where is the command to keep the law?

Where was the command to remain obedient?

Where was Israel part of the covenant?

there was none. God Said I GIVE YOU AND YOUR DECENDENTS.

IE. An I WILL covenant.

It was not a conditional covenant.

the new covenant concerns who gets to heaven. Not who gets what land.

and it is not jew or gentile. or not concerning land. it concerns the heavenly above.. whoever you are.

And it is not really new, it is a fulfillment of the abrahamic covenant "in you shall ALL the NATIONS of the world BE BLESSED

the new covenant is that blessing concerning all nations on earth

I danced to this tune of yours before, I won't be so foolish as to go round with you to this tune again! I would be better off speaking to the wall!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You're not making any sense??? Where can I read of this ownership?

See Above (my last post)

I also told you to see Lev 26, which of course you have never even mentioned.

What happened when Assyria overtook the northern kingdom of Israel, and why?
What happened when Babylon took over the southern kingdom of Judah and why
What happened again in 70 AD and why?

Lev 26:
27 ‘And after all this, if you do not obey Me, but walk contrary to Me,
28 then I also will walk contrary to you in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins. 29 You[g] shall eat the flesh of your sons, and you shall eat the flesh of your daughters.
30 I will destroy your high places, cut down your incense altars, and cast your carcasses on the lifeless forms of your idols;
and My soul shall abhor you. 31 I will lay your cities waste and bring your sanctuaries to desolation, and I will not smell the fragrance of your [h]sweet aromas. 32 I will bring the land to desolation, and your enemies who dwell in it shall be astonished at it.
33 I will scatter you among the nations and draw out a sword after you; your land shall be desolate and your cities waste. 34 Then the land shall enjoy its sabbaths as long as it lies desolate and you are in your enemies’ land; then the land shall rest and enjoy its sabbaths.

Interesting how Jesus predicts this very thing in Luke 21: 20-24

But this is not the end. because if we keep reading. Jesus makes a promise,. if they repent.

Lev 26:
40 ‘But if they confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their fathers, with their unfaithfulness in which they were unfaithful to Me, and that they also have walked contrary to Me, 41 and that I also have walked contrary to them and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if their uncircumcised hearts are humbled, and they accept their guilt— 42 then I will remember My covenant with Jacob, and My covenant with Isaac and My covenant with Abraham I will remember; I will remember the land.

Its an eternal gift..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Anyone who says you can abide in sin and still remain in Christ at the same time is a liar and a deceiver.

1 John 1: 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

If I were you I would stop pumping my chest like a pharisee. who thought they were sinless also. and drop to your knees as a tax collector.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The bible specifically says the men of Nineveh that rise in judgement are the same men that repented at the preaching of Jonah which means they can't be modern time men of Iraq.

Agree.

They will be in heaven, and they will condemn the people of that generation when they stand before God.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Revelation 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.


So you don't believe that the wrath of Satan is a woe to the inhabiters of the earth - in spite of what the verse says ?

Relative to Jesus's Second Coming, when does the time, times, half time that Satan will have left - take place ?

He is out there, I can not even see what he posts anymore

 

[Lizbeth]

Christ taught me to pray "the kingdom.come"


You say it is already come.Looks like you are arguing with Christ now.

His kingdom comes into the hearts of His people who believe on Him. Jesus said His kingdom comes not with our careful observation but is within/among His people. His will being done on earth as it is in heaven is within our earthly vessels of clay of those who believe and belong to Him.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jerusalem was left desolate. The prophecy of no stone left on each other will be fulfilled at the Second Coming, the 6th Seal.

That is when all the mountains and continents are moved out of their places.

what????

the stones concerned the stones of the city or temple.. Not mountains And it was fulfilled in 70AD

"And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places."

Zechariah 14

"And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south."

"All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses. And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited."

Jesus said the Temple would be destroyed. It was. Jesus said one day nothing would be left of Jerusalem. That has not happened yet, as Jerusalem was eventually rebuilt on top of stones that were left and not removed since Solomon's time.

At the Second Coming, what is there now, will all be done away with, nothing left of the old city. It will be a totally different Jerusalem:

"And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited."

There may be a final earthquake after Satan's 42 months, but the new Jerusalem will never be changed for the next 1,000 years. That is what Jesus was telling us, as the fulfillment of Zechariah.

I agree, this will happen when he returns

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

If I were you I would stop pumping my chest like a pharisee. who thought they were sinless also. and drop to your knees as a tax collector.

Jesus said in John 15:1-10 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.2 Every branch inme that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.3 Now ye are cleanthrough the word which I have spoken unto you.4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide inmy love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.”
Ok, some claim all Christians still "abide in sin",and that they "keep on sinning" even though they claim to have been born again of God's Holy Spirit. And even despite that ongoing disobedience and reoccurring sin they proclaim you still "abide inChrist". This my friends is false doctrine, because you cannot remain in sin and also remain inChrist at the same time.
Notice Jesus said in order to bear fruit one must"abide in Him", that also means believing in and abiding in His words. And here is what it means to abide in Him…

1 John 3:9 “Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.”
The "seed" mentioned there is "Christ".

And again to "abide in Christ" is to 1 John 3:6“Whosoeverabideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinnethhath not seen him, neither known him.”

So the simple truth is in order to bear good fruit we must "abide in Christ", which is to "abide in God's Word". And as we saw above to "abide in His love" we must keep His commandments" And to abide in Christ and remain in Christ one must stop sinning, because sinning is not abiding in Gods Word, neither is sinning abiding in the faith of Christ.
Now if one is still sinning are they truly "inChrist"? Not according to the words of God. Also we are shown in John 15 what happens if one inHim does not bear good fruit, Jesus said in John 15:2 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away:”
So anyone in him that does not bear good fruit he takes away, meaning you will no longer "abide in"the Life of Christ (the vine).


And not only that we are told in verse 6 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."
That is not salvation people, that is Destruction.
Also we cannot bear good fruit on our own except we abide in Him John 15:4 “Abide in me, and I inyou. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.”

And again, to abide in Christ means you cannotabide in sin. Sin is not good fruit.
And if you remain in sin, then you truly don’t "abide in Christ" do you? And as Jesus said, those who do not "abide in Him" are cast forth as a branch, and then gathered and cast into the fireand burned.

Christ is not a vine of sin (minister of sin) Galatians 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

Anyone who says you can abide in sin and still remain in Christ at the same time is a liar and a deceiver.
It is written in 2 John 9-10 “ Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:”

It is your sins that separate you from God…
Isaiah 59:2 “But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.”
Just as Jesus is separated from sinners…..
Hebrews 7:26 “For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate fromsinners, and made higher than the heavens;”

And again "in Christ" there is no sin….. 1 John 3…..
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him."

And to Love God and to "abide in Christ" is to keep His commandments….
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwells in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.”

Abide in the Light of the Truth….1 John 2…..
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not inhim.5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.”
Did Jesus walk in sin? Of course not!
Jesus said in John 12:46 " I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believes on me should not "abide in darkness."

Meaning you should not abide in "the works of darkness," which is sin.
Also no false doctrine, or lie is of the Truth…..21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is ofthe truth.”
Just as the prince of this world and his spirit has no place in Christ either…. John 14:30 “Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.”

Sin and darkness do not abide in the Light of Christ, and neither do those who still abide in sin and in darkness.

Jesus said whosoever commits sin is a servant of sin, and a servant of sin will not abide in His house forever.

Brethren, abide in Christ. Peace and God bless

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I danced to this tune of yours before, I won't be so foolish as to go round with you to this tune again! I would be better off speaking to the wall!

Considering I posted the FACTS, and asked you to show where in the FACTS where your interpretation of those facts are.

and your refusal to even discuss or show where I was wrong in the passages I posted (because you can not) the only tune your dancing to is your own.

Your right, as long as you continue to ignore the fact. You might as well talk to a wall..

 

[The Light]

Well then I guess you think the 4th and final beast is someone else?

It is a world government under the direction of the UN.

I showed you multipl passages.

AND NOT ONE SINGLE MENTION OF ROME IN ANY OF THE THESE PASSAGES. And yet somehow you can draw a conclusion that the final world kingdom will be Roman.

Daniel 2. and Daniel 78 and Daniel 9.

Any mention of Rome?

dude, if you are not willing to read the text. and want to keep harping the same nonsense over and over, I will finish our dialog. because there is nothing either of us can say to convince the other.

I read the text. Not a single mention Rome. You draw your conclusions from the past writings of men when the book of Daniel was sealed.

The first ruler of Daniels kingdoms was nebachadnezzar.

The first king who ruled over the nation of Israel was the Pharaoh of Egypt.

Great

wow. You are really out there. read any good book lately?

lol. Ok whatever. I am walking away..

You have read too many books and taken on the beliefs of those who drew their conclusions when the book of Daniel was sealed.

You might want to understand what this means.

Dan 2
40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.

41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

And this....................It's not Roman.

Daniel 7
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

Revelation 17
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus said in John 15:1-10 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.2 Every branch inme that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.3 Now ye are cleanthrough the word which I have spoken unto you.4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide inmy love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.”
Ok, some claim all Christians still "abide in sin",and that they "keep on sinning" even though they claim to have been born again of God's Holy Spirit. And even despite that ongoing disobedience and reoccurring sin they proclaim you still "abide inChrist". This my friends is false doctrine, because you cannot remain in sin and also remain inChrist at the same time.

So you went from sinning 24/7 to being cured of all sin and never sinning again in a microsecond?

Notice Jesus said in order to bear fruit one must"abide in Him", that also means believing in and abiding in His words. And here is what it means to abide in Him…

Yes. Bear fruit.

Bearing fruit is on thing

Being totally free from sin is different,

In fact, if we could be sinless. we would bear fruit 24/7 and even in the passage, we see it is not the case.

1 John 3:9 “Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.”
The "seed" mentioned there is "Christ".

In the greek here. It is a lifestyle of sin, Habitual sin, It does not say they will never sin again, John would be contradicting himself

And again to "abide in Christ" is to 1 John 3:6“Whosoeverabideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinnethhath not seen him, neither known him.”

Yes, Whoever lives in sin.

So the simple truth is in order to bear good fruit we must "abide in Christ", which is to "abide in God's Word". And as we saw above to "abide in His love" we must keep His commandments" And to abide in Christ and remain in Christ one must stop sinning, because sinning is not abiding in Gods Word, neither is sinning abiding in the faith of Christ.

Yes, But this does not mean we are sinless..

If you think so. You have not yet learned much from God. I would call you a babe still

Now if one is still sinning are they truly "inChrist"? Not according to the words of God. Also we are shown in John 15 what happens if one inHim does not bear good fruit, Jesus said in John 15:2 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away:”
So anyone in him that does not bear good fruit he takes away, meaning you will no longer "abide in"the Life of Christ (the vine).


And not only that we are told in verse 6 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."
That is not salvation people, that is Destruction.
Also we cannot bear good fruit on our own except we abide in Him John 15:4 “Abide in me, and I inyou. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.”

And again, to abide in Christ means you cannotabide in sin. Sin is not good fruit.
And if you remain in sin, then you truly don’t "abide in Christ" do you? And as Jesus said, those who do not "abide in Him" are cast forth as a branch, and then gathered and cast into the fireand burned.

Christ is not a vine of sin (minister of sin) Galatians 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

Anyone who says you can abide in sin and still remain in Christ at the same time is a liar and a deceiver.
It is written in 2 John 9-10 “ Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:”

It is your sins that separate you from God…
Isaiah 59:2 “But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.”
Just as Jesus is separated from sinners…..
Hebrews 7:26 “For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate fromsinners, and made higher than the heavens;”

And again "in Christ" there is no sin….. 1 John 3…..
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him."

And to Love God and to "abide in Christ" is to keep His commandments….
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwells in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.”

Abide in the Light of the Truth….1 John 2…..
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not inhim.5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.”
Did Jesus walk in sin? Of course not!
Jesus said in John 12:46 " I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believes on me should not "abide in darkness."

Meaning you should not abide in "the works of darkness," which is sin.
Also no false doctrine, or lie is of the Truth…..21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is ofthe truth.”
Just as the prince of this world and his spirit has no place in Christ either…. John 14:30 “Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.”

Sin and darkness do not abide in the Light of Christ, and neither do those who still abide in sin and in darkness.

Jesus said whosoever commits sin is a servant of sin, and a servant of sin will not abide in His house forever.

Brethren, abide in Christ. Peace and God bless

If we say we have no sin (John included himself) we decieve ourselves and there is no truth in us.

You want to be deceived feel free.

But I pray you repent.. so You can really grow in christ

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It is a world government under the direction of the UN.

Daniel said he is the feet of Iron and clay (Later identified as Rome) Dan 2
Daniel said it is the fourth beast (leter identified as rome) dan 7
Daniel said he is the prince who is to come, who confirmed a 1 week covenant with many. whose people destroyed the city and sanctuary (rome)

Dan 2 and 7 also stated it is these kingdoms (who have kings) which will be defeated by Christ when he returns.

As I said, I am walking away. If you can not understand basic scripture. and just want to argue, then I want to part of it.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

So you went from sinning 24/7 to being cured of all sin and never sinning again in a microsecond?

Why ignore the message and instead attack the messenger? Do you still sin….
1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning

Being totally free from sin is different,

In fact, if we could be sinless. we would bear fruit 24/7 and even in the passage, we see it is not the case.

In the greek here. It is a lifestyle of sin, Habitual sin, It does not say they will never sin again, John would be contradicting himself

You don’t believe Jesus?
“Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

If we say we have no sin (John included himself) we decieve ourselves and there is no truth in us.

You want to be deceived feel free.

But I pray you repent.. so You can really grow in christ

John is saying the same thing as Paul, “for all have sinned” but that does not mean we keep on serving sin after being born again of the Spirit, that would contradict many other verses of scripture.

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of Godkeepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Man shall not live by bread alone but By EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God.

 

[Timtofly]

So you think Jesus returned 3.5 years after they asked the question?

Obviously they asked the question prior to the book of Revelation being written.

Nobody today is going to die and go to heaven and ask the question of how long. Everybody who’s read Revelation chapter 6 knows the answer is “a little season”. When you die are you planning on asking “how long”? Or maybe asking how many disciples Jesus had?

How do you know the answer? A little season is not a specific length of time. You do not even seem to know when they ask the question.

"And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."

White robes were given to the entire church assembly, not in part. That is the timing of the question. All in heaven either know the answer or the question is rhetorical.

Those who deny the Millennial Kingdom of Jesus Christ on earth are missing the point that between the gathering of the church and putting on the robes of white, and this 1,000 year reign, Jesus is on the earth with His angels gathering the final harvest. That is who has yet to be killed out of Adam's dead corruptible flesh. We are not told the specific time length, but within a little season of time.
This time does not include Satan sitting on the throne Jesus set up in the Temple Jesus set up. That 42 months is after the little season, and the 7th Trumpet. The little season contains the first 6 Trumpets, and the 7 Thunders, and the first 2 woes. The 42 months is the 3rd woe, after the 7th Trumpet sounds.

The entire church did not put on white robes 2,000 years ago, because many had not even been born yet. We know the church after being glorified, will ask this question, and will get the same "little season" answer. But we will still not know when the church will be glorified, nor the length of the final harvest. The church is told to wait in Paradise, until that harvest is over.

But the answer was only for vengeance and the end of sin and death. They did not ask how long the Millennium Kingdom will last.

Satan will not even have been handed the throne and Temple at that point. That can only happen after the little season.

 

[The Light]

Daniel said he is the feet of Iron and clay (Later identified as Rome) Dan 2

The ten toes are kingdom that has not been formed yet.

Daniel said it is the fourth beast (leter identified as rome) dan 7

I see nothing that identifies this kingdom as Rome.

Daniel 7
7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Revelation 13
And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

This is a future kingdom that is spoken of by Daniel 7. This is not the Roman empire.

Daniel said he is the prince who is to come, who confirmed a 1 week covenant with many. whose people destroyed the city and sanctuary (rome)

The city is obviously Jerusalem and the sanctuary is obviously the Temple. You are mistaken that it is referring to the second Temple. The people of the prince that shall come and destroy the Temple is referring to the third Temple that will be built shortly. We know this is a future event because

Matthew 24
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Zechariah 13
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.


Revelation 12
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

You have read too many books seeking answers when the answer is in the Word. This is a future kingdom and not the Roman empire.

Dan 2 and 7 also stated it is these kingdoms (who have kings) which will be defeated by Christ when he returns.

As I said, I am walking away. If you can not understand basic scripture. and just want to argue, then I want to part of it.

Do you consider it arguing when someone disagrees with your incorrect conclusions.

The kingdom is a future 10 king world empire. This is not the Roman empire.

 

[tailgator]

The ten toes are kingdom that has not been formed yet.


I see nothing that identifies this kingdom as Rome.

Daniel 7
7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Revelation 13
And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

This is a future kingdom that is spoken of by Daniel 7. This is not the Roman empire.


The city is obviously Jerusalem and the sanctuary is obviously the Temple. You are mistaken that it is referring to the second Temple. The people of the prince that shall come and destroy the Temple is referring to the third Temple that will be built shortly. We know this is a future event because

Matthew 24
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Zechariah 13
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.


Revelation 12
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

You have read too many books seeking answers when the answer is in the Word. This is a future kingdom and not the Roman empire.

Do you consider it arguing when someone disagrees with your incorrect conclusions.

The kingdom is a future 10 king world empire. This is not the Roman empire.

All 10 countries have been formed and the little country which is diverse from the first has been formed too.

And you are correct,it is not the Roman empire.

Speaking of the roman empire.Italy is in direr need of money.They are selling a castle to raise money..
Every little bit helps when your broke.

Italy auctions a historic castle to battle public debt

Italy is auctioning off a grandiose 16-century castle built for Charles V Holy Roman Emperor to raise funds and combat the excessive public debt.

euroweeklynews.com

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Amen,

And I love how you quoted the KJB and corrected it. (the NKJV has it correct)

Hebrews 10:14
For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.

Its an ongoing thing!! although our perfection is a completed thing "Perfect, active, indicative"

What is ongoing is not our perfection, for God has declared and sealed it. what is ongoing now is our sanctification, or becoming in practice what we are in spirit.

 

[grafted branch]

How do you know the answer? A little season is not a specific length of time. You do not even seem to know when they ask the question.

I don’t know the actual length of time. I know it’s a little season, just like everyone else, because that’s what Revelation 6:11 says.

We can’t be certain of the actual date the question was asked but we know it had to be prior to the book of Revelation being written, or published.

White robes were given to the entire church assembly, not in part. That is the timing of the question.

So the brethren and fellow servants that killed after the souls under the altar get their white robes are just out of luck? No white robes for them?

Who are these people that don’t get the white robes? They can’t be the bride because she gets fine linen, clean and white in Revelation 19:8 and they can’t be part of the great tribulation crowd because they are arrayed in white robes in Revelation 7:13.

Who are the brethren and fellow servants that are killed but don’t get white robes?

All in heaven either know the answer or the question is rhetorical.

As I said before, we aren’t going to be asking questions we already know the answer to. Now we know in part; but then shall we know even as also we are known.

Are you anticipating that once you die you will be asking Jesus what city He was born in? You know, a rhetorical question, maybe just for fun, to see what Jesus will say?

 

[grafted branch]

Considering I posted the FACTS, and asked you to show where in the FACTS where your interpretation of those facts are.

Here are some facts to consider …

Fact: the ordinances of the sun, moon, and stars is given in Genesis 1:14.

Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:


Fact: the sun and moon do not obey the Genesis 1:14 ordinances in Isaiah 60:20.

Isaiah 60:20 Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the LORD shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended.


Fact: if the ordinances of the sun, moon, and stars depart from before the LORD, Israel ceases from being a nation forever in Jeremiah 31:36.

Jeremiah 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.



There can be no unconditional eternal promises made to the nation of Israel, including the Genesis 17:8 land of Canaan everlasting possession promise.