And Satan wants our company, "forever and ever"!
Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
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Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
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Do I agree with God? Yep! I really don't think those there will worry about details.
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That is simply in the Bible.
You a sadist?
We ALL die.
A days coming when we will be RESURRECTED- due to Jesus' sacrifice.
Romans 6:1-14
What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?
May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?
Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?
Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.
For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection,
knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; for he who has died is freed from sin. Now, if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him. For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.
Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
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Romans 6:1-14
What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?
May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?
Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?
Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.
For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection,
knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; for he who has died is freed from sin. Now, if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him. For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.
Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
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Simple--He showed all Gods perfect justice= A perfect mortal(Adam) lost a good standing for mortals to become sinners and die--A perfect mortal(Jesus) lived a sinless mortal existence and paid in full the wages of sin that he did not owe= the ransom sacrifice= opened the door to all to enter the narrow gate that leads off into life, yet FEW are the ones who do. Why? Because to many blind guides misleading the majority.
Care to explain how it is "God's perfect justice" to punish the innocent in lieu of the guilty? I don't know anyone who would call that "justice." I can think of lots of other names for it. But not "justice."
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Keep your eye on the ball, please. We aren't talking about Adam's guilt, we are taking about Jesus's lack of guilt. Jesus, the innocent, got punished in lieu of mankind, the guilty. I ask again: How is that "justice."
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He did it WILLINGLY.
After all, Jehovah used him to CREATE us!
He chose to remove the death penalty.
That doesn't change the calculus at all. Even if the innocent man volunteers to be punished in the guilty man's stead, it is unjust to accept the offer.
The idea that a just God would ever punish A for B’s sin―whether or not A volunteered for the substitution―is a troubling one. A bloodthirsty God just might decide that “someone has to pay!” and accept such an offer. But a just God―at least as we humans reckon justice―would never do so. It is central to our notions of justice that the guilty, not the innocent, are punished. The guilty may be forgiven as an exercise in mercy (mercy being in effect a suspension of justice), but not at the expense of the innocent.
If I were convicted of capital murder, and you volunteered to go to the gallows for me, do you really think the judge would be acting with "justice" if he accepted your offer?
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Redfan,
I'm interested in your question. Are you asking, "Was God Just in sacrificing His Son?"
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