The Lords 2 anointed witnesses

[Stewardofthemystery]

Fire,fire fire
Kill kill kill

That's not the true gospel of Jesus Christ.
It's no better than the Jesus loves nukes doctrine.

Did they ban you from Worthy forums? You are a familiar spirit.

 

[tailgator]

Did they ban you from Worthy forums? You are a familiar spirit.

No,I'm not banned.
And yes,I've seen you there.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Show me in the bible where their Lord Jesus Christ commands his servants to kill his enemies.

He can if He wants to since He is God. Who are you to tell Him what to do? But, you're missing that the description of the two witnesses and their activities are all symbolic, anyway. It's not talking about them literally killing people, it's talking about the church preaching the gospel which condemns anyone who doesn't believe it (John 3:18).

Their Lord Jesus words can be found in the New testament .The four gospels are a good source for their lords words if you are not familiar with the word of their Lord Jesus.

LOL. Of course I am, you silly person. Your interpretation of the two witnesses shows that you have no discernment whatsoever. You are the only person in the world who thinks the two witnesses will end up in the lake of fire.

Here is an example of their Lords words

Mathew 5
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

You know that Jesus is God and God never changes, right? Even in OT times God expected people to love their enemies. Yet, He commanded His people to kill His enemies at times. What's that to you? Was He unjust in doing that? Of course not. So, you're reasoning here isn't valid. God can make exceptions to His commands if He wants to in certain circumstances.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

No,I'm not banned.
And yes,I've seen you there.

It’s funny how you get to know people by their doctrine.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Just remember,you are the one saying Jesus wants his disciples to torment and kill other people.
This is the gospel you are preaching.

No, I am not saying that. Read what I actually say. I'm saying He could do that if He wanted to because He is God and can do whatever He wants. What's that to you? But, I'm not saying He actually does that. I am saying that the description of the two witnesses is all symbolic and it's not talking about them literally killing people. I believe the two witnesses symbolically represent the church and when people reject the gospel it condemns them to the second death in the lake of fire. So, it's symbolically portraying that.

To think that the two witnesses will end up in the lake of fire has to be the most ridiculous and dumb interpretation of scripture I've ever seen, which is really saying something.

 

[tailgator]

It’s funny how you get to know people by their doctrine.

There's not many people who say it's wrong to torment other people.
Most people say it's good to torment other people.

I will openly say it's not a good thing to do especially when Jesus preached kindness and forgiveness .At no time did Jesus ever give his disciples commands to torment and kill people.Its just wrong to say he wants his disciples to do such things.

 

[tailgator]

He can if He wants to since He is God. Who are you to tell Him what to do? But, you're missing that the description of the two witnesses and their activities are all symbolic, anyway. It's not talking about them literally killing people, it's talking about the church preaching the gospel which condemns anyone who doesn't believe it (John 3:18).


LOL. Of course I am, you silly person. Your interpretation of the two witnesses shows that you have no discernment whatsoever. You are the only person in the world who thinks the two witnesses will end up in the lake of fire.


You know that Jesus is God and God never changes, right? Even in OT times God expected people to love their enemies. Yet, He commanded His people to kill His enemies at times. What's that to you? Was He unjust in doing that? Of course not. So, you're reasoning here isn't valid. God can make exceptions to His commands if He wants to in certain circumstances.

I see you can't quote Jesus commanding his disciples to torment and kill.

 

[tailgator]

Luke 9:54-55
And when His disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, just as Elijah did?” But He turned and rebuked them, and said, “You do not know what manner of spirit you are of.


He turned and rebuked them

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I see you can't quote Jesus commanding his disciples to torment and kill.

Will you please read what I'm actually saying? I didn't claim that He ever did. I'm saying He could if He wanted to with Him being God and all. But, He didn't. And I've said twice now that I see the description of the two witnesses as being symbolic and I don't believe it's talking about them literally killing people. Understand? Slow down and actually read everything I'm saying.

And, I say again that your interpretation that the two witnesses will end up in the lake of fire is the most ridiculous interpretation of scripture that I've ever seen.

 

[tailgator]

Will you please read what I'm actually saying? I didn't claim that He ever did. I'm saying He could if He wanted to with Him being God and all. But, He didn't. And I've said twice now that I see the description of the two witnesses as being symbolic and I don't believe it's talking about them literally killing people. Understand? Slow down and actually read everything I'm saying.

And, I say again that your interpretation that the two witnesses will end up in the lake of fire is the most ridiculous interpretation of scripture that I've ever seen.

Yes,they kill people just as the scripture says.
That's what they do.

What kind of cloud ascends into heaven and is accompanied by an earthquake?

I will give you a hint
It is full of fire and brimstone.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yes,they kill people just as the scripture says.
That's what they do.

What kind of cloud ascends into heaven and is accompanied by an earthquake?

I will give you a hint
It is full of fire and brimstone.

You are completely lacking in spiritual discernment. This is what I would expect someone to say who undermines Paul's teachings on Bible prophecy like you do (no, I haven't forgotten that). It's a symbolic portrayal of the church witnessing to the world.

Romans 11:3 And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.

The two witnesses are appointed by God. Nowhere does it indicate they are doing anything besides what God appointed them to do. The fire coming from their mouths to devour their enemies symbolically represents how the rejecting of the preaching of the gospel results in condemnation for those who reject it (John 3:18). You are trying to interpret the most highly symbolic book in all of scripture literally and that is foolish. It even says in the first verse of the book that it was "signified".

The two witnesses being caught up is a symbolic representation of the catching up of the church to meet Christ in the air when He comes.

Why would the beast want to kill them if they are not actually doing God's will? That makes no sense. The beast would be congratulating them and encouraging them to continue if they were disobeying Christ as you falsely think. You're not even thinking here.

 

[tailgator]

You are completely lacking in spiritual discernment. This is what I would expect someone to say who undermines Paul's teachings on Bible prophecy like you do (no, I haven't forgotten that). It's a symbolic portrayal of the church witnessing to the world.

Romans 11:3 And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.

The two witnesses are appointed by God. Nowhere does it indicate they are doing anything besides what God appointed them to do. The fire coming from their mouths to devour their enemies symbolically represents how the rejecting of the preaching of the gospel results in condemnation for those who reject it (John 3:18). You are trying to interpret the most highly symbolic book in all of scripture literally and that is foolish. It even says in the first verse of the book that it was "signified".

Your quoting revelation 11:3
Not Romans 11:3


Just do you know,these are servants of Jesus Christ.
Their Lord,who was crucified.

Revelation 11
8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified



They better be doing what their Lord told them to do.If not ,then their Lord may not be very accommodating .

Mathew 24
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Amillennialism is an erroneous theology.

Says Dave, who rambled with private interpretations and lack of spiritual discernment on many unrelated subjects in a single post, without providing a single verse to support such claims!

 

[TribulationSigns]

LOL. You say the 3.5 days is actually 3.5 years but you also try to say it's not symbolic? LOL. Hilarious.

My thought exactly. Sad!

 

[tailgator]

You are completely lacking in spiritual discernment. This is what I would expect someone to say who undermines Paul's teachings on Bible prophecy like you do (no, I haven't forgotten that). It's a symbolic portrayal of the church witnessing to the world.

Romans 11:3 And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.

The two witnesses are appointed by God. Nowhere does it indicate they are doing anything besides what God appointed them to do. The fire coming from their mouths to devour their enemies symbolically represents how the rejecting of the preaching of the gospel results in condemnation for those who reject it (John 3:18). You are trying to interpret the most highly symbolic book in all of scripture literally and that is foolish. It even says in the first verse of the book that it was "signified".

The two witnesses being caught up is a symbolic representation of the catching up of the church to meet Christ in the air when He comes.

Why would the beast want to kill them if they are not actually doing God's will? That makes no sense. The beast would be congratulating them and encouraging them to continue if they were disobeying Christ as you falsely think. You're not even thinking here.

PS
The beast that came out of the sea doesn't kill them.
That beast that ascends out of the bottomless pitt does.

Two different beasts .


If you search the scriptures,you find Babylon worships the beast from.the sea.But the beast from.the abyss and ten horns hate Babylon and make her naked.The same beast from.the abyss which kills the two witnesses also hates the prostitute and attacks her.

Revelation 17:16
The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire.


Revelation 11
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.


Those two witnesses better not have been drinking with that drunken prostitute.Not good for Jesus witnesses to be drinking with the drunken.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Good grief. You couldn't be further from the truth about this if you tried. The two witnesses are obviously doing God's will.

Yes, they do not understand who Two Witnesses represent, what power they have received, and how their enemies got burned by fire that came out of their mouths. Christ spoke to His Church who are His Witnesses:

Act 1:8
(8) But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Rev 11:3-5
(3) And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
(4) These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
(5) And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

Jer 5:14
(14) Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them.

God's witnesses will receive the power to preach the gospel to the world. If any enemy tries to harm them by silence their testimony, they will preach God's Word as JUDGMENT (fire) upon them who do not want to hear the Truth. Not literally burning people alive with literal fire out of Two Witnesses' mouths like they thought! Spiritual Discerned!

 

[CC7799]

Yeah, I heard some people who suggested Elijah and Moses as Two Witnesses who will come back to Jersualem simply becasue they appeared with Christ at the transfiguration. That is not true.

Transfiguration means Moses and Elijah appeared in glory, not as human beings, and they talked to Christ about his death, not about witnessing to people in Jerusalem. Nor is that ever even implied by any scripture anywhere. It is someone's personal idea, a private interpretation. Just as if I were to prognosticate that the two angels that came to Sodom (Genesis 19:1) are the two witnesses because they warned Lot of the coming judgment. That would be my private interpretation, an idea by simple guesswork, not something the Bible actually says.

As for the transfiguration itself, I believe that Moses and Elijah there in glory represented "the law and the prophets" that was coming to an end by Christ's completion of it on the cross. It foreshadowed a new dispensation. The Old Testament "law of Moses" and the "Prophet Elijah" looked forward to Christ, and this appearance and metamorphosis was to illustrate the end of the Old Testament dispensation, and the ushering in of the New Testament by the death of Christ. Which scripture plainly tells us is what they spoke about. Not about them being two witnesses in Jerusalem:

Luke 9:30-31

• "And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:
• Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem."

There is no great mystery in what state Moses and Elijah appeared in, nor of why they spoke with Christ. They were in glory and spoke concerning His coming death. Because without it, they could not appear in glory. This great spiritual portrait illustrated that the long prophesied kingdom of God was at hand, and that the old dispensation of Israel (represented by the law and the prophet) was about to come to a close. And this needed to be accomplished by Christ's death. Moses and Elijah represented this end of the law and the Prophet dispensation.

And you also need to consider the truth that Moses and Elijah are absent from the body and present with the Lord, so they will not be given the body of this death again! Have you forgotten the scripture says these two witnesses were killed, and their dead bodies lay in the street for some 3 days? If you want to take this literally, then you have problems on top of problems. First, you have a reincarnation into mortal flesh "AFTER" they appeared with Christ at the transfiguration in a glorified state. Then you have them being killed in the Middle East and their bodies left in the streets of Jerusalem 3 1/2 days. Even in a literalist world, that doesn't make sense. How does one appearing in Glory leave that glory to become mortal, except they are God become man as Christ? Yes, I've heard the doctrine that it must be Moses and Elijah because they didn't die? But first, who said Moses didn't die? and second, who said people must all die in the first place? Certainly not God, as we will not all die.

1st Thessaloniamns 4:15-18

• "For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
• For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
• Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
• Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

There is no requirement of death, that is yet another doctrine, a private interpretation invented to account for the alleged Moses and Elijah coming back to witness. It is not something that God said.

Selah!

The hi tech vehicles which transport angels, and God, can support human life.
I disagree with you my friend.

Satan as antichrist will kill the two witnesses in Jerusalem, 6th Trump. I believe Elijah and Moses will be in their flesh body's.

Angels are supernatural. It makes no logical sense to me both two witnesses will be in angelic body's.

This is what I believe.
Peace.

 

[CC7799]

What do you mean "translated"? If you think Moses was resurrected and already has an immortal body, then that would contradict 1 Corinthians 15:20-23 which says that Jesus was the first to be resurrected with an immortal body.

Read Ezekiel chapter 1
There are circular vehicles, highly polished bronze, that transport angels and God.

These same vehicles took moses,, Elijah and Enoch. These vehicles can support human life.

Revelation chapter 11

Satan as antichrist, 6th Trump, kills the two witnesses in Jerusalem. Its obvious, both moses and Elijah will be in their flesh body's.

I go by logic, and its what I believe.

I believe Elijah and Moses will be the two witnesses.

They both represent the law and the prophets.

Some members will probably disagree.

Peace

 

[TribulationSigns]

The hi tech vehicles which transport angels, and God, can support human life.
I disagree with you my friend.

Satan as antichrist will kill the two witnesses in Jerusalem, 6th Trump. I believe Elijah and Moses will be in their flesh body's.

Angels are supernatural. It makes no logical sense to me both two witnesses will be in angelic body's.

This is what I believe.
Peace.

You may believe with your own wild speculations like hi-tech vehicles or Elijah and Moses back to their flesh bodies after being glorified with Christ at Transfiguration. Obviously, you lack the wisdom of Christ - meaning you are not able to discern what God actually talked about which is not surprising!

 

[CC7799]

You may believe with your own wild speculations like hi-tech vehicles or Elijah and Moses back to their flesh bodies after being glorified with Christ at Transfiguration. Obviously, you lack the wisdom of Christ - meaning you are not able to discern what God actually talked about which is not surprising!

No wild speculation.

Satan wouldn't be to kill a angel. Michael and the angels cast out Satan, and his angels in revelation chapter 12.

Angels are supernatural. Equal in power. Though Michael has the edge.

Its obvious who you serve.



And it isn't Jesus.

A true shepherd wouldn't disrespect man of God.

As far as wisdom. You lack insight.

I moved on to other subjects.