What are we doing?

[St. SteVen]

How do you explain Christs' words himself using the word "many" not all?
Mark 14:24 (KJV) And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.

John 17:2 (KJV) As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

I don't think the use of the word "many" is intended to limit the atonement in Mark 14:24.

1 John 2:2 NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

John 17:2 NIV
For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him.

Titus 2:11 ESV
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,

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[Cyd]

I don't think the use of the word "many" is intended to limit the atonement in Mark 14:24.

1 John 2:2 NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

John 17:2 NIV
For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him.

Titus 2:11 ESV
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,

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I am not doubting that Christ yes He did pay for sins of the world. You seem to think that nothing is required of all these people, yet you yourself remain in a christian church. Why? There must be no need then. So the 5 billion that reject or don't know of Christ are also saved to you. Yet Jesus warned about it plenty:
Matthew 10:28 (KJV) And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

You don't then believe this warning? Then are the goats saved also? Why divide sheep and goats?

 

[BlessedPeace]

Technically, yes. Currently, no.
Their salvation has been paid for. Not all have received it yet.

You agree that that the salvation of all has been paid in full, correct?
Or do you believe that the payment of the death penalty was only made for a few?

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

I think you need to actually read the Gospel.
It is very specific. And contextually perfect.

 

[St. SteVen]

I am not doubting that Christ yes He did pay for sins of the world. You seem to think that nothing is required of all these people, yet you yourself remain in a christian church. Why? There must be no need then. So the 5 billion that reject or don't know of Christ are also saved to you. Yet Jesus warned about it plenty:
Matthew 10:28 (KJV) And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

That warning is for believers. Better to go into the afterlife without the hand or eye that makes you sin. (metaphorically)

You don't then believe this warning? Then are the goats saved also? Why divide sheep and goats?

Each in turn.

1 Corinthians 15:22-24 NIV
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.
24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father
after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.

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[St. SteVen]

I think you need to actually read the Gospel.
It is very specific. And contextually perfect.

I find it interesting that those who disagree with my positions think I haven't read the Bible. - LOL

BTW: First Corinthians is not in the Gospels. I think you need to actually read the Bible. - LOL

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[BlessedPeace]

I find it interesting that those who disagree with my positions think I haven't read the Bible. - LOL

BTW: First Corinthians is not in the Gospels. I think you need to actually read the Bible. - LOL

You should stop laughing.

Tour sidetrack effort of 1st Corinthians isn't going to dispel the fact you demonstrate a sorry lack of understanding of the Gospel.

Laughing doesn't change that. It reiterates it.

 

[St. SteVen]

you demonstrate a sorry lack of understanding of the Gospel.

Why?
Because I don't believe in a forever burning hell?
That's the "bad news", not the good news.

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[Wick Stick]

Start with the question, did God build a bridge or an ark?

Neither...

 

[Wick Stick]

You should stop laughing.

Tour sidetrack effort of 1st Corinthians isn't going to dispel the fact you demonstrate a sorry lack of understanding of the Gospel.

Laughing doesn't change that. It reiterates it.

You said something similar to me in another thread... why is a sense of humor a bad thing?

Also, Jesus tells a joke in the passage you're discussing. Maybe you SHOULD be laughing.

 

[PS95]

That warning is for believers. Better to go into the afterlife without the hand or eye that makes you sin. (metaphorically)


Each in turn.

1 Corinthians 15:22-24 NIV
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.
24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father
after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.

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15 “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will [k]know them by their fruits. [l]Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17 So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So then, you will [m]know them by their fruits.

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many [n]miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’

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[St. SteVen]

15 “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will [k]know them by their fruits. [l]Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17 So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So then, you will [m]know them by their fruits.

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many [n]miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’

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Huh?
That has nothing to do with the discussion as far as I can tell.
Do you have something worth contributing?

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[BlessedPeace]

Well, Univeralism, in which you seem to ascribe does not see anything wrong with teaching falsely.
love is love, right?
When people come on here TEACHING others FALSELY I will call them out & that includes you

Amen!
They stay busy here.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Huh?
That has nothing to do with the discussion as far as I can tell.

Why has Matthew 7 nothing to do with this thread discussion?

Do you have something worth contributing?

She did.
What don't you understand about Matthew 7?

 

[BlessedPeace]

Neither...

What's really funny is that Steve is laughing after he first claimed God built a bridge.

And Stick doesn't know Noah built the Ark by God's instructions. Therefore, God built the Ark using Noah's labor.

 

[Wick Stick]

What's really funny is that Steve is laughing after he first claimed God built a bridge.

And Stick doesn't know Noah built the Ark by God's instructions. Therefore, God built the Ark using Noah's labor.

Interacting with you is a drag. It seems to me that your whole purpose for being here is to talk down on people. Does that make you feel smart? important? Why ARE you like this?

 

[BlessedPeace]

Interacting with you is a drag. It seems to me that your whole purpose for being here is to talk down on people. Does that make you feel smart? important? Why ARE you like this?

That's not going to work.

I call out bad behavior,like yours, because you fit the question in the OP.

If it wasn't for the poser Trolls, the fakes, the haters of Christians, who enter these threads and vomit hatred against Conservatives and Jesus when they claim we worship Trump, when patently false teachings persist again and again,just to keep the old tired rebuttal arguments alive,as intended by the authors, this site is in chaos. Without those persons this site would find peace.

So,when you call me names,you're looking in the mirror. When I call that out as graceless, I'm calling your bluff.

 

[St. SteVen]

Yet Jesus warned about it plenty:
Matthew 10:28 (KJV) And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Body and soul are destroyed, but not spirit.

Check out this topic.

The "Yeah, but..." school of doctrine - Bible versus Bible

We have all been there. You present your doctrinal position and give biblical support for it. The response is, "Yeah, but..." and then your "opponent" gives their differing doctrinal position with biblical support. So basically, Bible versus Bible. (who will win?) Ironically, the WORDS "Yeah...

www.christianityboard.com

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[BlessedPeace]

Body and soul are destroyed, but not spirit.

Check out this topic.

The "Yeah, but..." school of doctrine - Bible versus Bible

We have all been there. You present your doctrinal position and give biblical support for it. The response is, "Yeah, but..." and then your "opponent" gives their differing doctrinal position with biblical support. So basically, Bible versus Bible. (who will win?) Ironically, the WORDS "Yeah...

www.christianityboard.com

The body returns to the dust from which it sprang. The soul,spirit, to God who gave it.

If we are afraid of God we aren't actually saved from anything.

 

[Wick Stick]

That's not going to work.

I call out bad behavior,like yours, because you fit the question in the OP.

If it wasn't for the poser Trolls, the fakes, the haters of Christians, who enter these threads and vomit hatred against Conservatives and Jesus when they claim we worship Trump, when patently false teachings persist again and again,just to keep the old tired rebuttal arguments alive,as intended by the authors, this site is in chaos. Without those persons this site would find peace.

So,when you call me names,you're looking in the mirror. When I call that out as graceless, I'm calling your bluff.

What bad behavior? Anyone can click on my name, read my posts, and see that this is simply false.

Why do you make things up about people?

 

[BlessedPeace]

What bad behavior? Anyone can click on my name, read my posts, and see that this is simply false.

Why do you make things up about people?

I have read you. Therefore Claiming I make up things about people,asking why,that is, is a lie. I addressed you specifically. And nothing is made up about that bad behavior.

We're done.