When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

[Eternally Grateful]

The abomination of desolation is an object that can be seen from miles away.It is seen in the heavens by them who are in their fields and on their rooftops.
A terrifying site to see that will give some a heart attack.It darkens the heavens so the the sun and moon do not give their light and the constellations are not seen.

It is used to innihilate many.

Daniel 11:44
But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many.

Well you would have to look deep inside the temple to see it. Which means until the advent of satelite and TV, no one could have saw it..

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

no, this is in error.

He was cut off AFTER (at the end or immediately following) the 69th week.

The 70th week has not even begun yet. no prince of rome has confirmed any 7 year covenant with anyone.

The new covenant is not for 7 years. it is an eternal covenant.

Believe what you will.

 

[Truth7t7]

Many claim the abomination of desolation (AOD)spoken of by Daniel and Jesus has not been fulfilled yet, and another Temple needs to be rebuilt in the future in Jerusalem in order to fulfill this prophecy.

The easiest way I have found to prove this doctrine is false is by Jesus’ own words. Below both Jesus and the apostles, were speaking of the Temple and buildings they were looking at "with their own eyes."

The words of God confirm this truth.....
Mark 13:1-413 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, seewhat manner of stones and what buildings are here!
2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
4 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?

So Jesus was telling them about the destruction of the Temple they were looking at "with their own eyes."
Notice in Mark's account above there is only one question asked about when shall these buildings be destroyed, and what sign would there be prior to this event, concerning the abomination of desolation.
But in Matthew's account pay attention to the question and the prophecy, as 2 separate questionsare asked of Jesus.

Matthew 24:1-3
24 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

So in Matthews account not only was Jesus asked about the destruction of the Temple they were looking at "with their own eyes", but also about the signs of Christ’s second coming and also about the end of the world.

Now to Luke's account…..

Luke 21:5-7

5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but whenshall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

Again notice they are speaking of the Temple and buildings they are looking at "with their own eyes." And so Jesus tells them "the signs" given before the temple is to be destroyed….

Luke 21:20 “And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.” ( This is the abomination of desolation event spoken of in Daniel)

This event concerning the destruction of the cityof Jerusalem that Jesus and the apostles were looking at "with their own eyes "is also confirmed by Jesus in
Luke 19:41-44 “And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it. Saying, If thou hast known, even thou, at least in this day, the things which belong unto thy peace! But now they are hid from thine eyes. For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side. And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.”

So the common mistake here is to think that the abomination of desolation concerning the destruction of the Temple is yet future, and has anything to do with the second coming of Christ and the end of the world almost 2 thousand years later.
But when you understand the questions asked of Jesus was in two parts, then hopefully you will see these 2 events are separate from one another and are many, many years apart. Also the time line concerning "when" the AOD was fulfilled has nothing to do with the timeline 70 week prophecy in Daniel.

The end of the 70 week prophecy, and the fulfilling of the AOD prophecy are about 40 years apart from one another.
And it is also very clear in all accounts given in Matthew, Mark, and Luke that Jesus and the apostles were talking about the Temple and surrounding buildings they were looking at "with their own eyes".

There is no need for a future Temple to be built to fulfill this AOD prophecy, as it has already been fulfilled in 70 a.d. when the Roman army surrounded, and then destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple. Both the words of Jesus and history prove this to be true. With the abomination of desolation events already being fulfilled, we can now focus on the events leading up to Christ's second coming, and on the signs concerning the end of this world.

Prove all things by the words of God. Peace and God bless

Daniel's AOD is future unfulfilled

 

[Truth7t7]

The easiest way I have found to prove this doctrine is false is by Jesus’ own words. Below both Jesus and the apostles, were speaking of the Temple and buildings they were looking at "with their own eyes."

Peterism takes the symbolic temple destruction in Matthew24:2 and interprets it as a literal destruction in 70AD

The temple being destroyed in Matthew 24:2 was symbolic of the Lord's death and resurrection, and yes his disciples remembered what he had said about the temples destruction

At the death of Jesus Christ, the veil in the temple was rent, the temple was symbolically destroyed, and after the resurrection this temple was replaced, by the body of Jesus Christ

Matthew 27:50:51KJV
50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

John 2:19-22KJV
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

 

[tailgator]

Well you would have to look deep inside the temple to see it. Which means until the advent of satelite and TV, no one could have saw it..

The abomination of desolation will be seen in the heavens by them in judea .


Luke 21
11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.


Its not in a building .




25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.



They will flee to the mountains and say to the rocks of the mountains" fall on us."


Luke 23:30
Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.

 

[tailgator]

Many claim the abomination of desolation (AOD)spoken of by Daniel and Jesus has not been fulfilled yet, and another Temple needs to be rebuilt in the future in Jerusalem in order to fulfill this prophecy.

The easiest way I have found to prove this doctrine is false is by Jesus’ own words. Below both Jesus and the apostles, were speaking of the Temple and buildings they were looking at "with their own eyes."

The words of God confirm this truth.....
Mark 13:1-413 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, seewhat manner of stones and what buildings are here!
2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
4 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?

So Jesus was telling them about the destruction of the Temple they were looking at "with their own eyes."
Notice in Mark's account above there is only one question asked about when shall these buildings be destroyed, and what sign would there be prior to this event, concerning the abomination of desolation.
But in Matthew's account pay attention to the question and the prophecy, as 2 separate questionsare asked of Jesus.

Matthew 24:1-3
24 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

So in Matthews account not only was Jesus asked about the destruction of the Temple they were looking at "with their own eyes", but also about the signs of Christ’s second coming and also about the end of the world.

Now to Luke's account…..

Luke 21:5-7

5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but whenshall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

Again notice they are speaking of the Temple and buildings they are looking at "with their own eyes." And so Jesus tells them "the signs" given before the temple is to be destroyed….

Luke 21:20 “And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.” ( This is the abomination of desolation event spoken of in Daniel)

This event concerning the destruction of the cityof Jerusalem that Jesus and the apostles were looking at "with their own eyes "is also confirmed by Jesus in
Luke 19:41-44 “And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it. Saying, If thou hast known, even thou, at least in this day, the things which belong unto thy peace! But now they are hid from thine eyes. For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side. And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.”

So the common mistake here is to think that the abomination of desolation concerning the destruction of the Temple is yet future, and has anything to do with the second coming of Christ and the end of the world almost 2 thousand years later.
But when you understand the questions asked of Jesus was in two parts, then hopefully you will see these 2 events are separate from one another and are many, many years apart. Also the time line concerning "when" the AOD was fulfilled has nothing to do with the timeline 70 week prophecy in Daniel.

The end of the 70 week prophecy, and the fulfilling of the AOD prophecy are about 40 years apart from one another.
And it is also very clear in all accounts given in Matthew, Mark, and Luke that Jesus and the apostles were talking about the Temple and surrounding buildings they were looking at "with their own eyes".

There is no need for a future Temple to be built to fulfill this AOD prophecy, as it has already been fulfilled in 70 a.d. when the Roman army surrounded, and then destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple. Both the words of Jesus and history prove this to be true. With the abomination of desolation events already being fulfilled, we can now focus on the events leading up to Christ's second coming, and on the signs concerning the end of this world.

Prove all things by the words of God. Peace and God bless

According to Jesus ,when the abomination of desolation is placed,it will be a time of great tribulation unlike there has ever been .


Mathew 24
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
According to Daniel ,at the time of that tribulation,many who sleep I the dust of the earth awake.


According to Daniel ,many who sleep in the dust of the earth awake at that time of tribulation.


Daniel 12:1-2
And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame



Are you saying the resurrection,which takes place at the time of great tribulation ,took place in 70 AD?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Daniel's AOD is future unfulfilled

I disagree.

 

[tailgator]

Daniel's AOD is future unfulfilled

I agree

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

According to Jesus ,when the abomination of desolation is placed,it will be a time of great tribulation unlike there has ever been .


Mathew 24
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
According to Daniel ,at the time of that tribulation,many who sleep I the dust of the earth awake.


According to Daniel ,many who sleep in the dust of the earth awake at that time of tribulation.


Daniel 12:1-2
And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame



Are you saying the resurrection,which takes place at the time of great tribulation ,took place in 70 AD?

The reading of Matthew and Mark must be rightly divided between what was soon to take place with the destruction of Temple, and with what was to take place into the future at the end of the world.

Luke’s account puts events in order with the saying “But Before all these”( verse 12)

Luke 21:5-24
King James Version
​

5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?
8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.
10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
12 BUT BEFORE ALL THESE, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
19 In your patience possess ye your souls.
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.(the Jews)
24 And they (the Jews)shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.(6th seal signs follow)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The abomination of desolation will be seen in the heavens by them in judea .


Luke 21
11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.


Its not in a building .




25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.



They will flee to the mountains and say to the rocks of the mountains" fall on us."


Luke 23:30
Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.

I am not sure who you are listening to. But I would listen to someone else

The things you just posted are events which happen LONG before the AOD happens.. They are called the birth pangs. and the other one is when Christ himself returns, which will happen 3.5 years AFTER the AOC takes place.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

first think you have to do is look at the difference between a destruction of a temple. and an Abomination which causes the temple to be desolate.

In Mark, We see Jesus speaking of the events which led in 70 AD. where the city and temple was destroyed. there was no abomination of desolation in 70 AD.

In matthew, we see a different story. Jesus says when you SEE the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet STANDING in the HOLY PLACE..

The event in mark was the temple being destroyed, like it was under babylon

The even in Matt is an abomination (literally an Idol or unclean thing) standing in the holy place making it desolate, and causing sacrifice and burnt offering to cease because the holy place is unclean, we saw this when Antiochus epiphanies slaughtered a Pig in the holy place causing the Maccabean revolt.

If we do not learn the differences, we will get prophecy wrong.

What are you talking about? Why are you trying to claim there is a difference between these passages:

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains: 15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house: 16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment. 17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter. 19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.

These passages are clearly talking about the same event. Only extreme doctrinal bias would lead someone to say otherwise. Jesus did not say what is recorded in Matthew 24:15-21 in His Olivet Discourse and then separately say what is recorded in Mark 13:14-19. That is ridiculous. Imagine how baffled the disciples would have been if that was the case. They would have thought "Wait, didn't you already just say that a little bit ago?".

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

no, this is in error.

He was cut off AFTER (at the end or immediately following) the 69th week.

No, He was not. You are trying to manipulate scripture to fit your doctrine. The word "after" never means "at the end". He would be cut off after the 69th week ended which places His death within the 70th week.

 

[tailgator]

The reading of Matthew and Mark must be rightly divided between what was soon to take place with the destruction of Temple, and with what was to take place into the future at the end of the world.

Luke’s account puts events in order with the saying “But Before all these”( verse 12)

Luke 21:5-24​

King James Version​

​

5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?
8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.
10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
12 BUT BEFORE ALL THESE, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
19 In your patience possess ye your souls.
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.(the Jews)
24 And they (the Jews)shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.(6th seal signs follow)

So you saying the resurrection which takes place when the abomination of desolation took place in 70 ad or that resurection has not taken place yet?


According to Jesus ,when the abomination of desolation is placed,it will be a time of great tribulation unlike there has ever been .


Mathew 24
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
According to Daniel ,at the time of that tribulation,many who sleep I the dust of the earth awake.


According to Daniel ,many who sleep in the dust of the earth awake at that time of tribulation.


Daniel 12:1-2
And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame

 

[tailgator]

I am not sure who you are listening to. But I would listen to someone else

The things you just posted are events which happen LONG before the AOD happens.. They are called the birth pangs. and the other one is when Christ himself returns, which will happen 3.5 years AFTER the AOC takes place.

I'm quoting the apostles who quoted Jesus and that is who I'm listening too.

Pay attention.


According to Jesus ,when the abomination of desolation is placed,it will be a time of great tribulation unlike there has ever been .


Mathew 24
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
According to Daniel ,at the time of that tribulation,many who sleep I the dust of the earth awake.


According to Daniel ,many who sleep in the dust of the earth awake at that time of tribulation.


Daniel 12:1-2
And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame


The resurrection takes place when the abomination of desolation is placed.In fact,you can read about the abomination of desolation in revelation 11 when the two witnesses are resurected.

 

[grafted branch]

The temple being destroyed in Matthew 24:2 was symbolic of the Lord's death and resurrection, and yes his disciples remembered what he had said about the temples destruction

Since you see the temple being destroyed representing the death of Christ, I have a question for you. No debate, I just want to see what you might think about this …

In Matthew 9:6 Jesus says he has the power to forgive sins, and this takes place prior to the cross. I’m thinking that if you place His death as symbolic of the destruction of the temple, then His healing ministry could be symbolic of the daily sacrifice being taken away.

What do you think?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I'm quoting the apostles who quoted Jesus and that is who I'm listening too.

Actually you quoted Jesus in that post. and his words to his disciples after they asked him the question about when these things will happen. and what is the sign of the end of the age, and your return

Pay attention.

I am, And your not doing very well.

According to Jesus ,when the abomination of desolation is placed,it will be a time of great tribulation unlike there has ever been .

Yes immediately after that event, there will be a great tribulation such as has never been seen before or after.

Mathew 24
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
According to Daniel ,at the time of that tribulation,many who sleep I the dust of the earth awake.


According to Daniel ,many who sleep in the dust of the earth awake at that time of tribulation.


Daniel 12:1-2
And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame


The resurrection takes place when the abomination of desolation is placed.In fact,you can read about the abomination of desolation in revelation 11 when the two witnesses are resurected.

lol.. Ok, I will continue to listen to the word.. Not a self proclaimed teacher of the word..

Thank you

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

So you saying the resurrection which takes place when the abomination of desolation took place in 70 ad or that resurection has not taken place yet?


According to Jesus ,when the abomination of desolation is placed,it will be a time of great tribulation unlike there has ever been .


Mathew 24
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
According to Daniel ,at the time of that tribulation,many who sleep I the dust of the earth awake.


According to Daniel ,many who sleep in the dust of the earth awake at that time of tribulation.


Daniel 12:1-2
And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame

There was no resurrection in 70 ad.

This first tribulation to the Jews was announced to begin by Jesus right after the abomination of desolation and destruction of the Temple mount in Jerusalem occurred in 70 ad. (Luke 21:20-24)

This is referred to in scripture as the tribulation of “those days” which was determined to run “many days” (Daniel 11:33) even all the way to "the fullness of the Gentiles", which I believe is marked by the 6th seal events.

Then at the point of the 6th seal being loosed, this would begin the time of trouble such as the world has never seen, (Daniel 12:1); or the wrath of the Lamb/God beginning to be poured out on the Gentile Nations. (Rev. 6:17)

The resurrection of the dead and living in Christ happens at the last day, at the last trump.

 

[tailgator]

Actually you quoted Jesus in that post. and his words to his disciples after they asked him the question about when these things will happen. and what is the sign of the end of the age, and your return

I am, And your not doing very well.

Yes immediately after that event, there will be a great tribulation such as has never been seen before or after.

lol.. Ok, I will continue to listen to the word.. Not a self proclaimed teacher of the word..

Thank you

Yes the abomination that causes desolation is what causes the great tribulation .

According to Daniel,the resurrection of Daniels people takes place at that time

That is the word of God.Not my word.

Daniel 12:1-2
And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame.

 

[tailgator]

There was no resurrection in 70 ad.

This first tribulation to the Jews was announced to begin by Jesus right after the abomination of desolation and destruction of the Temple mount in Jerusalem occurred in 70 ad. (Luke 21:20-24)

This is referred to in scripture as the tribulation of “those days” which was determined to run “many days” (Daniel 11:33) even all the way to "the fullness of the Gentiles", which I believe is marked by the 6th seal events.

Then at the point of the 6th seal being loosed, this would begin the time of trouble such as the world has never seen, (Daniel 12:1); or the wrath of the Lamb/God beginning to be poured out on the Gentile Nations. (Rev. 6:17)

The resurrection of the dead and living in Christ happens at the last day, at the last trump.

Then the abomination of causes desolation was not placed in 70.AD.

The tribulation which begins in Daniel 11:33 takes place after the man of sin gives Israel his armed forces.That is 3.5 years before the time of he end in Daniel 11:40.

The great tribulation caused by the abomination of desolation is in Daniel 12:1.
Jesus was quoting Daniel when he spoke of the great tribulation caused by the abomination.of desolation .

Daniel 12:1
And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.



" there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time:"


Mathew 24
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

 

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Then the abomination of causes desolation was not placed in 70.AD.

The tribulation which begins in Daniel 11:33 takes place after the man of sin gives Israel his armed forces.That is 3.5 years before the time of he end in Daniel 11:40.

The great tribulation caused by the abomination of desolation is in Daniel 12:1.
Jesus was quoting Daniel when he spoke of the great tribulation caused by the abomination.of desolation .

Daniel 12:1
And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.



" there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time:"


Mathew 24
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Believe what you will.