OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

[JLB]

Yep, and those that walk after the flesh shall die spiritually

And, to be carnally minded is spiritual death both of which we see in Romans 8

The OSAS crowd must either ignore Romans 8 or tell deceptive tale of dark lore to try and explain Romans 8 away.

The OSAS crowd is engaged in ongoing chicanery

And ignore most of the New Testament.

 

[JLB]

Saved and justified by disobedience is a straw man argument. I never said anything about that.

I hope and pray you understand that only those who obey the Lord Jesus Christ are saved.

 

[JLB]

False. I already thoroughly explained this in post #519.

You will have to do better than just state your opinion against the plain and clear words of scripture.


Romans 8:1 gives us two distinct and different walks, or lifestyles of those who are in Christ Jesus.


There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to
the Spirit. Romans 8:1

The two different lifestyles of those who are in Christ -

1. according to the flesh
2. according to the Spirit

Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Galatians 5:19-21

• of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

• ... will not inherit the kingdom of God.

JLB

 

[Christian Soldier]

Maybe you are not the sharpest tool in the shed, but your inferences are way off! I believe this is the second time you have made false accusations. Strangley that makes you a devil (false accuser) as the word means.

The Apostles make it very clear Jesus had our nature:

1. He could be tempted - had the potential to sin!

For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. Hebrews 4:15

- Most Christians can't comprehend the word "every", its clearly too profound a word for them!
- Most Christian don't understand the requirement for a High Priest - Heb 5:1
- For Jesus to be tempted, he must have sins flesh! - Romans 8:1 (NOW! there is no condemnation in Christ Jesus!)

2. Death had dominion over Jesus and was aging and would eventually corrupt in the grave (if not for His Fathers Promise to raise him!)

We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death (working in him) no longer has dominion over him. Romans 6:9

- God is a God of the Living, not the dead! Death then is an enemy of God because death is the wages of sin; 1 Corinthians 15:55-58 “Death, where is your victory? Death, where is your pain?” Death's power to hurt is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But we thank God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ

How did God remove the Law of Sin and Death which is represented in the Body of Christ?

Christian does not know the mystery and these things are hidden from him (sad but true).

No one in the forum knows why God required his Son to be raised up in Sins Flesh and to suffer for righteousness sake, therefore they do not understand the Victory He achieved in His Son.

If the Victory is unknown to them and they cannot discern the Lord's Body then the Atonement is also unkown and you are in your sins.

And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. (Rom. 5:11).

How much is in that word "through?"

Most here will never know this side of the Kingdom age.

F2F

This is the second time I have exposed your lies, and you still haven't defended your heretical claims.

The Apostle makes it very clear that Jesus didn't have our nature, and that He could not be be tempted and that it was not possible for Him to sin and neither did He have any potential to sin. So mor lies from the pits of hell on your part.

My High Priest does sympathize with me, He knows I was born with a sin nature. So He knew I couldn't resist the temptation to sin, so He paid for all my past, present and all future sins. So now my sins won't be counted against me, Christ wasn't subject to temptation and sin. He is God and you are blaspheming by calling God a corrupt sinner.

Not sure where you're going with this nonsense that moist Christians can't understand what the word "every" means. It's just just foolish to suggest such a foolish thing. Little kids know what it means, but nobody understand your translation of the word because you make no sense at all.

For Satan to tempt Jesus to sin, doesn't mean that Jesus was a corrupt sinner as you keep pushing. Satan tried His best to tempt Christ but He didn't know that it was a futile exercise because there was never a possibility that Jesus could sin. You just don't get it, God is not a corrupt sinner, He never was and He never will be so get over this blasphemous heresy man.

Death was never an enemy of God, another lie. God was never subject to death so you're not making any sense.

 

[face2face]

This is the second time I have exposed your lies, and you still haven't defended your heretical claims.

The Apostle makes it very clear that Jesus didn't have our nature, and that He could not be be tempted and that it was not possible for Him to sin and neither did He have any potential to sin.

Therefore he had to be made like his brothers and sisters in every respect, so that he could become a merciful and faithful high priest in things relating to God, to make atonement for the sins of the people Heb 2:17.

You know Christian, other than you not being able to understand the word every, its so predicable that the self deceived cling tightly to their false teachings, even opposing the Lord's Apostles teaching.

- Christ was under deaths dominion (had our nature)
- Christ would not see corruption (had our nature - condemnation removed!)
- Christ knew what was in man (it was in him!)
- Christ prayed to His Father to deliver him from death (had our nature)
- Christ was in agony everyday overcoming your nature!
- Christ experienced the effects of sin in his nature though he was sinless (had our nature)
- Christ bore your sins "in" his body on the cross (had our nature)
- Christ is the Son of Man (Had our Nature)
- Christ was born of a Woman and is the Son of David after the flesh (had our nature)
- The Exalted Glorified Christ still calls himself the Son of David (had our nature and was given immortality)
- God had victory in the Body of His Son and condemned sin in the flesh (had our nature)
- God exalted Christ to be High Priest chosen from among men (had our nature)
- God was "in" Christ reconciling the World to Himself (had our nature)

Your dogma, created a lie to protect a false Gospel and it has continued to build lie upon lie, until those lies produce a believer such as yourself, who can no longer speak truth, or even recognize it when its plainly written in front of them.

All those warnings by the Apostles about the teachings of men would come in and pollute the True Gospel has fully matured in the earth ready for his coming.

The only benefit I have over you is I know him, he who was raised up in the flesh (had out nature!) - the second Adam!

"But Lord, didn't you have two natures? All the commentaries I read spoke of a Hypostatic union!"..."Christian, have you not read, I was like you in "every respect, tempted to sin in every way yet sinless? What part of "every" did you not understand?"

How do you answer?

F2F

 

[mailmandan]

I hope and pray you understand that only those who obey the Lord Jesus Christ are saved.

See post #556.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Therefore he had to be made like his brothers and sisters in every respect, so that he could become a merciful and faithful high priest in things relating to God, to make atonement for the sins of the people Heb 2:17.

You know Christian, other than you not being able to understand the word every, its so predicable that the self deceived cling tightly to their false teachings, even opposing the Lord's Apostles teaching.

- Christ was under deaths dominion (had our nature)
- Christ would not see corruption (had our nature - condemnation removed!)
- Christ knew what was in man (it was in him!)
- Christ prayed to His Father to deliver him from death (had our nature)
- Christ was in agony everyday overcoming your nature!
- Christ experienced the effects of sin in his nature though he was sinless (had our nature)
- Christ bore your sins "in" his body on the cross (had our nature)
- Christ is the Son of Man (Had our Nature)
- Christ was born of a Woman and is the Son of David after the flesh (had our nature)
- The Exalted Glorified Christ still calls himself the Son of David (had our nature and was given immortality)
- God had victory in the Body of His Son and condemned sin in the flesh (had our nature)
- God exalted Christ to be High Priest chosen from among men (had our nature)
- God was "in" Christ reconciling the World to Himself (had our nature)

Your dogma, created a lie to protect a false Gospel and it has continued to build lie upon lie, until those lies produce a believer such as yourself, who can no longer speak truth, or even recognize it when its plainly written in front of them.

All those warnings by the Apostles about the teachings of men would come in and pollute the True Gospel has fully matured in the earth ready for his coming.

The only benefit I have over you is I know him, he who was raised up in the flesh (had out nature!) - the second Adam!

"But Lord, didn't you have two natures? All the commentaries I read spoke of a Hypostatic union!"..."Christian, have you not read, I was like you in "every respect, tempted to sin in every way yet sinless? What part of "every" did you not understand?"

How do you answer?

F2F

I gave you 100 verses which destroy those few verse you gave me.

You couldn't get half way through the first verse, without falling flat on your face.

I showed you where God calls Jesus lord God, but you rejected it and tried to pull some Greek translation scam to disguise your demonic doctrine.

Not sure why you listed all those phrases above, that's your dogma. I don't subscribe to anybody's private dogma.
You showed that you can't get past the first half of a verse before it blows your mind, so you can't expect me to consider the above list of poetry, before you resolve the Greek confusion.

You have more than enough difficulty understanding English, let alone Greek.

I don't know who you know, but it's certainly not the God of the Bible. It only leaves one option, it must be the God of this world, who has blinded the minds of those who are lost. So they cannot see the truth of the saving gospel.

 

[BlessedPeace]

BECAUSE Scripture teaches Scriptural Verification is Righteous.

WHY do you NEVER give Scriptural Verification for anyone receiving Salvation and then Losing their Salvation?

Because such scripture does not exist.

 

[BlessedPeace]

No one is justified, by disobedience.

No one is saved by disobedience.

If you believe such nonsense then that's on you.

That falsehood is on you. @mailmandan never said what you claim of him there.

Here is what the scripture plainly says about who receives eternal salvation.

And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him. Hebrews 5:9

Whether it's His Gospel, His Doctrine or His Commandments, we are called to righteousness, which starts with obedience.

Obeying His Gospel is how it all begins.

If we should sin, we can confess our sins and be forgiven.


since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Thessalonians 1:6-8

• in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

JLB

Even when Dan posted the scripture you do not learn to leave your errant unbiblical ideology behind.

 

[face2face]

I gave you 100 verses which destroy those few verse you gave me.

You couldn't get half way through the first verse, without falling flat on your face.

I showed you where God calls Jesus lord God, but you rejected it and tried to pull some Greek translation scam to disguise your demonic doctrine.

Not sure why you listed all those phrases above, that's your dogma. I don't subscribe to anybody's private dogma.
You showed that you can't get past the first half of a verse before it blows your mind, so you can't expect me to consider the above list of poetry, before you resolve the Greek confusion.

You have more than enough difficulty understanding English, let alone Greek.

I don't know who you know, but it's certainly not the God of the Bible. It only leaves one option, it must be the God of this world, who has blinded the minds of those who are lost. So they cannot see the truth of the saving gospel.

Nothing here Christian? All those points supported by Scripture and what have you provided in return?

 

[Christian Soldier]

Nothing here Christian? All those points supported by Scripture and what have you provided in return?

Nothing here Christian? All those points supported by Scripture and what have you provided in return?

I gave you those 100 verses but you ignored them because they expose you demonic doctrine. So I will give them to you again and see how you try to make God a liar again.

What Does the Bible Say About Jesus Christ Fully Man Fully God?

 

[face2face]

I gave you those 100 verses but you ignored them because they expose you demonic doctrine. So I will give them to you again and see how you try to make God a liar again.

What Does the Bible Say About Jesus Christ Fully Man Fully God?

Do you actually think you can dump a bunch of verses on a page and say "there you go, Hypostatic Union?", Com'on give yourself more credit than that! Show me where dualaity of natures is taught. Give me a text, at the very least a verse which is talking about nature.

F2F

 

[Christian Soldier]

Do you actually think you can dump a bunch of verses on a page and say "there you go, Hypostatic Union?", Com'on give yourself more credit than that! Show me where dualaity of natures is taught. Give me a text, at the very least a verse which is talking about nature.

F2F

All 100 verses prove it, the only reason you can't see that is because you're spiritually blind

 

[Dan Clarkston]

I hope and pray you understand that only those who obey the Lord Jesus Christ are saved.

The OSAS people cannot believe this because if they did they would be admitting they have been following false doctrine.

Some of these folks won't believe the whole counsel of God because they would have to admit they were wrong, and they would lose all their OSAS buddies.

Peer pressure drives much of this which is the evil downside of belonging to a false church with a false teacher for a "pastor"

I've talked to people who agree OSAS is false doctrine but they say they cannot quit the false OSAS church because they wouldn't have any friends if they did.

The OSAS people are quick to devour their own... just like the liberals do.

 

[Christian Soldier]

The OSAS people cannot believe this because if they did they would be admitting they have been following false doctrine.

Some of these folks won't believe the whole counsel of God because they would have to admit they were wrong, and they would lose all their OSAS buddies.

Peer pressure drives much of this which is the evil downside of belonging to a false church with a false teacher for a "pastor"

I've talked to people who agree OSAS is false doctrine but they say they cannot quit the false OSAS church because they wouldn't have any friends if they did.

The OSAS people are quick to devour their own... just like the liberals do.

Jesus is a OSAS believer, so you're saying that He has fallen victim to a false Church and false teacher.

Don't you know anything about God's Word, talk about evil demonic deception. There's nothing worse than accusing God of lies, Lucifer tried that and look what happened to Him.

Apart from slander, what other evidence do you have to prove that God lied when He taught OSAS

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Jesus is a OSAS believer,

You have not read John 15 among others. Jesu said in John 15 those that do not abide IN Him baring fruit are cutt of and thrown in to the fire.

And you failed to understand that Jesus is responsible for the content that came thru His Apostles.

OSAS makes a mockery of the Gospel of Jesus Christ by claiming one remains saved even if they fall away from the Lord and live like the devil. Shameful!

Galatians 6:7-8 (see Gen 8:22)
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

God gave man free will... if man chooses to turn and walk away from the Lord, God will let them do so.

Romans 1:28
they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do what ought not to be done

The gifts and callings of God are without repentance which means God cannot violate our free will and save us anyway IF we choose to go back to our sin which is living in darkness. In God there is NO darkness. (1 John 1:5)

This is a major biblical truth the OSAS crowd always explains away or denies is simply this... God is NOT mocked, what we sow is what we reap - if we sow to the flesh we shall of the flesh reap corruption. (Gal 6:7,8)

If one claims we DO reap corruption when we sin, then they are admitting they do not believe OSAS / Eternal security doctrine (and sadly many of their friends will forsake them!).... and if one claims we DO NOT reap what we sow, then according to Gal 6:7, that would be mocking God!

So Gal 6:7,8 is quite the quandary, quite the state of uncertainty and perplexity for the adherents of OSAS doctrine.

 

[mailmandan]

You will have to do better than just state your opinion against the plain and clear words of scripture.

Romans 8:1 gives us two distinct and different walks, or lifestyles of those who are in Christ Jesus.

There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to
the Spirit. Romans 8:1

The two different lifestyles of those who are in Christ -

1. according to the flesh
2. according to the Spirit

Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Galatians 5:19-21

• of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
• ... will not inherit the kingdom of God.

JLB

I have already posted the clear words of scripture in post #519 (but the truth just continues to go right over your head) and I have also properly harmonized scripture with scripture before reaching my conclusion on doctrine. These two distinct different walks in Romans 8 are not both lifestyles of those who are in Christ Jesus. Paul clearly describes those in Christ as those who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit in Romans 8:1, but you disagree with Paul and include those who walk according to the flesh as also being in Christ. You need to go back and read post #519 again. Your eisegesis remains your Achilles heel.

As I already thoroughly explained to you in post #1,051 from the link below:

*Notice in Galatians 5:21 that Paul said those who practice such things (sins) will not inherit the kingdom of God.

*In 1 John 3:9, we read - No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. *Hermeneutics. Notice the contrast between children of God and children of the devil in 1 John 3:10 - In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. These are not two different lifestyles of those who are in Christ either. Are you seeing the light yet?

Also notice in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 that Paul gives a similar list of sins that are practiced by the unrighteous. In contrast with the righteous in verse 11 - And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

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[Johann]

Do you actually think you can dump a bunch of verses on a page and say "there you go, Hypostatic Union?", Com'on give yourself more credit than that! Show me where dualaity of natures is taught. Give me a text, at the very least a verse which is talking about nature.

F2F

John 1:1, 14: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth."

This passage emphasizes Jesus' divinity ("the Word was God") and humanity ("the Word became flesh").
Philippians 2:6-8: "Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death—even death on a cross!"

Paul underscores Jesus' pre-existence in divine form and His incarnation in human likeness.
Colossians 2:9: "For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form."

This verse encapsulates the completeness of Jesus' deity within His human body.
Hebrews 1:3: "The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven."

The author of Hebrews highlights Jesus' divine nature as the exact imprint of God's being and His role in sustaining the universe.
Hebrews 2:14-17: "Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil—and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham’s descendants. For this reason, he had to be made like them, fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people."

This passage affirms Jesus' complete humanity and His identification with human beings.
Romans 1:3-4: "Concerning his Son, who was descended from David according to the flesh and was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord."

Paul speaks of Jesus' human lineage (descended from David) and His divine sonship (declared to be the Son of God).
1 Timothy 2:5: "For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."

This verse refers to Jesus as the mediator, emphasizing both His humanity ("the man Christ Jesus") and His unique role.
1 John 4:2-3: "This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God."

The apostle John emphasizes the importance of acknowledging Jesus' incarnation, affirming His true humanity.
These passages collectively affirm the doctrine of the Hypostatic Union, demonstrating that Jesus Christ is both fully divine and fully human, united in one person.

 

[Johann]

I have already posted the clear words of scripture in post #519 (but the truth just continues to go right over your head) and I have also properly harmonized scripture with scripture before reaching my conclusion on doctrine. These two distinct different walks in Romans 8 are not both lifestyles of those who are in Christ Jesus. Paul clearly describes those in Christ as those who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit in Romans 8:1, but you disagree with Paul and include those who walk according to the flesh as also being in Christ. You need to go back and read post #519 again. Your eisegesis remains your Achilles heel.

As I already thoroughly explained to you in post #1,051 from the link below:

*Notice in Galatians 5:21 that Paul said those who practice such things (sins) will not inherit the kingdom of God.

*In 1 John 3:9, we read - No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. *Hermeneutics. Notice the contrast between children of God and children of the devil in 1 John 3:10 - In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. These are not two different lifestyles of those who are in Christ either. Are you seeing the light yet?

Also notice in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 that Paul gives a similar list of sins that are practiced by the unrighteous. In contrast with the righteous in verse 11 - And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

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Here is a bigger truth. If we use your interpretation you better confess ever sin. Otherwise your still lost. I confess my sins and ask God to search my heart and reveal to me any hidden sin. I reject the false teaching that all our future sins are forgiven, so we have no need to confess our...

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Hope @Episkopos read this and realize there are NO 4 eternal destinies.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Too bad the OSAS people can't get past their pride.

The OSAS peoples done corrupted Arthur81 . . . . he thinks it's OK to get gay! View attachment 48317

How can they be prideful. An OSAS person has given it all to God. they got on their knees in total humility, they became poor in spirit.

When will you stop pumping your chest and do like the tax collector?