Did Paul know everything there is to know?

[Spiritual Israelite]

what is written is clear and certain, Peter was the chosen vessel to preach to the gentiles period. It is unfortunate you have a low opinion of Peter. Your understanding of these events is abysmal. Peter was chosen for a reason.

So, just to be clear, you don't believe that Paul was "the apostle to the Gentiles" even though Paul said that he was in Romans 11:13, right? I just want to get confirmation from you that you believe Paul was a false teacher.

 

[Behold]

Exactly.

It was Peter who was supposed to be ministering to the Jews.

Of course.

Look at the NT.

The Epistles..

Corinthians, Ephesians, Galatians, Thessalonians......., all GENTILE "Local Churches".

Notice that Paul started them all. <

Where is Peter?

He's in Antioch and Rome.. Rome, Rome.., while Paul was all over Turkey, all over the middle east, starting Gentile Churches.

Peter was not the apostle to the gentiles..
He first preached to Jews in Acts 2, and stayed in Rome., most of all.

 

[Jesusfollower]

Exactly.

It was Peter who was supposed to be ministering to the Jews.

yes Peter did just like Jesus did also but read the following in full context;

Act 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
Act 15:2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
Act 15:3 And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.
Act 15:4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.
Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
Act 15:6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Act 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Act 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
Act 15:12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.
Act 15:13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:
Act 15:14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
Act 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
Act 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
Act 15:17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
Act 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
Act 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Act 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

I am not speaking against Paul here as before just stating the facts, some people even believe that Paul is equal to Jesus.

 

[Jesusfollower]

Peter was told to preach to gentiles.
God has that conversation with him in acts.

show me it does not come to mind but i agree Paul did preach to the gentiles.

 

[tailgator]

show me it does not come to mind but i agree Paul did preach to the gentiles.

Acts 10
19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.

20 Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them.

21 Then Peter went down to the men which were sent unto him from Cornelius; and said, Behold, I am he whom ye seek: what is the cause wherefore ye are come?

22 And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.

23 Then called he them in, and lodged them. And on the morrow Peter went away with them, and certain brethren from Joppa accompanied him.

24 And the morrow after they entered into Caesarea. And Cornelius waited for them, and he had called together his kinsmen and near friends.

25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.

26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.

27 And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together.

28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

29 Therefore came I unto you without gainsaying, as soon as I was sent for: I ask therefore for what intent ye have sent for me?

30 And Cornelius said, Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing,

31 And said, Cornelius, thy prayer is heard, and thine alms are had in remembrance in the sight of God.

32 Send therefore to Joppa, and call hither Simon, whose surname is Peter; he is lodged in the house of one Simon a tanner by the sea side: who, when he cometh, shall speak unto thee.

33 Immediately therefore I sent to thee; and thou hast well done that thou art come. Now therefore are we all here present before God, to hear all things that are commanded thee of God.

34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)

37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;

38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:

40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;

41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.

42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.

43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 

[Jesusfollower]

Acts 10
19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.

20 Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them.

21 Then Peter went down to the men which were sent unto him from Cornelius; and said, Behold, I am he whom ye seek: what is the cause wherefore ye are come?

22 And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.

23 Then called he them in, and lodged them. And on the morrow Peter went away with them, and certain brethren from Joppa accompanied him.

24 And the morrow after they entered into Caesarea. And Cornelius waited for them, and he had called together his kinsmen and near friends.

25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.

26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.

27 And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together.

28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

29 Therefore came I unto you without gainsaying, as soon as I was sent for: I ask therefore for what intent ye have sent for me?

30 And Cornelius said, Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing,

31 And said, Cornelius, thy prayer is heard, and thine alms are had in remembrance in the sight of God.

32 Send therefore to Joppa, and call hither Simon, whose surname is Peter; he is lodged in the house of one Simon a tanner by the sea side: who, when he cometh, shall speak unto thee.

33 Immediately therefore I sent to thee; and thou hast well done that thou art come. Now therefore are we all here present before God, to hear all things that are commanded thee of God.

34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)

37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;

38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:

40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;

41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.

42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.

43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

yes, I should have posted this also, clear evidence that Peter was sent to the gentiles by the Holy Spirit sent by GOD just as Jesus promised! this corroborates act 15 where Peter affirms He was sent to preach to the Gentiles.

Blessings.

 

[tailgator]

yes, I should have posted this also, clear evidence that Peter was sent to the gentiles by the Holy Spirit sent by GOD just as Jesus promised! this corroborates act 15 where Peter affirms He was sent to preach to the Gentiles.

Blessings.

Apparently Paul didn't know Peter was sent to the gentiles before him.Or he just didn't mention it in his Epistles.

 

[Jesusfollower]

Apparently Paul didn't know Peter was sent to the gentiles before him.Or he just didn't mention it in his Epistles.

We do not know if He did forget or not but the scriptures are clear It was Peter that was chosen by GOD to go to the gentiles, He had a revelation explaining to him to make no distinction between Jews and Gentiles (ACTS 10) and said that God chose Him to preach to the gentiles. (ACTS 15:7)

Paul a pharisee well educated, was a prolific writer, we have many texts from him but Peter, A simple fisherman uneducated, a passionate and humble man left very few known writings behind. Unfortunately apparently but not certainly, 2 peter could be attributed to another author, this is not clear however it is why this document is disputed, it would not be the first time books from the bible are disputed.

I interrogated Chat GPT with a simple question and here is the answer, it corresponds to what I have read many times in specialized books on the subject;

The authorship of 2 Peter has been a subject of scholarly debate, primarily because the letter itself claims to be written by the apostle Peter (2 Peter 1:1). However, there are several factors that have led scholars to question whether Peter himself authored the letter:

1. Style and Vocabulary: The Greek style of 2 Peter is more sophisticated and refined compared to 1 Peter, leading some scholars to argue that it reflects a different authorial style than that of an uneducated fisherman like Peter.
2. Theological Development: The theological themes and concerns addressed in 2 Peter, particularly the focus on false teachers and the delay of the Second Coming, suggest a later stage of Christian thought than what might be expected from Peter's immediate circle.
3. Literary Dependence: 2 Peter appears to show familiarity with the Epistle of Jude, which is traditionally dated later than Peter's lifetime. This raises questions about whether the author of 2 Peter could have been drawing on Jude or if Jude was drawing on 2 Peter.

Given these considerations, scholars have proposed various hypotheses regarding the authorship of 2 Peter. Some suggest it could have been written by a disciple or follower of Peter who composed the letter in his name to lend authority to its teachings. Others propose that it could have been written by a different early Christian leader or author familiar with Peter's teachings and concerns.

However, identifying a specific alternative author from the same time period is challenging due to the lack of direct evidence. Early Christian writings often lack clear authorial attribution, and attributions were sometimes based on tradition rather than direct historical evidence.

In conclusion, while there are theories and hypotheses regarding the authorship of 2 Peter, establishing a definitive alternative author from the same time period as Peter remains speculative and inconclusive based on the available historical and textual evidence.

Blessings

 

[Gottservant]

I believe Paul received the Light, while John received the Volume (essence) of the Light.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Do you also believe that Paul's letters were not inspired by the Holy Spirit who knows all things?

Nothing in anything I posed would lead a rational person to think I believe Paul was not an Apostle led by the Lord to write most of the New Testament.

It might help if you take off the tin foil hat.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Nothing in anything I posed would lead a rational person to think I believe Paul was not an Apostle led by the Lord to write most of the New Testament.

It might help if you take off the tin foil hat. View attachment 47993

I asked you a question and didn't make an accusation, so there's absolutely no reason for you to take offense like you apparently did. I asked it because it seemed like you might be agreeing with the ones I was debating about Paul. But, I wasn't sure, so that's why I asked you a question instead of making an accusation.

So, would you agree with me that we can fully trust what Paul wrote in relation to Bible prophecy? Do you believe we can use a scripture like 1 Corinthians 15:20-23 for doctrine?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

I asked you a question and didn't make an accusation, so there's absolutely no reason for you to take offense like you apparently did.

Don't flatter yourself... I simply stated that nothing in my posts suggest I think Paul is not of God.

The writings of Paul are just as inspired as the other biblical writers.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Don't flatter yourself... I simply stated that nothing in my posts suggest I think Paul is not of God.

The writings of Paul are just as inspired as the other biblical writers.

So, you have decided to be rude to me for no reason whatsoever even though you agree with me about Paul. Okay then, buddy.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

So, you have decided to be rude to me for no reason whatsoever even though you agree with me about Paul. Okay then, buddy.

That's pretty funny...

You think of yourself much higher than you should and are quick to get offended.
Apparently it's all about you and how you feel.

I hope you get delivered from that someday.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

That's pretty funny... View attachment 48084

You think of yourself much higher than you should and are quick to get offended.
Apparently it's all about you and how you feel.

I hope you get delivered from that someday.

You don't know me at all, so stop pretending that you are God. You came across as defending someone who was undermining Paul, so I asked a question to see if that was really the case or not. I gave you the benefit of the doubt instead of accusing you. You say I'm quick to get offended? You took offense to me merely asking you a question. Think about that.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

You came across as defending someone who was undermining Paul

Nothing I said even remotely suggests this. Not even close.

Your imagination runs wild and is connected to your keyboard where you accuse people of stuff they have not said.

You took offense to me merely asking you a question.

No, I corrected your false assumptions.

You're welcome!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Nothing I said even remotely suggests this. Not even close.

Your imagination runs wild and is connected to your keyboard where you accuse people of stuff they have not said.

I asked a question. Calm down. I made no accusations. You just happened to chime in in the middle of people basically trying to tell me that Paul's teachings were not reliable when it comes to Bible prophecy. Take it easy. We're actually in agreement on this, so just settle down and relax. Can you see I asked you a question about it instead of accusing you? Get a grip.