Taken
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You accuse I have rewritten Revelations…
Back up your accusation…
QUOTE a Specific passage from Revelations, then QUOTE me rewriting that passage.
Are there Two or More Resurrections?
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You accuse I have rewritten Revelations…
Back up your accusation…
QUOTE a Specific passage from Revelations, then QUOTE me rewriting that passage.
tailgator
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Do these servants of Jesus Christ believe in their master or do they believe he doesn't exist?
Mathew 24
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
tailgator
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If you haven't rewritten it then what are you doing?
Show me where it says these people are unbelievers.
Revelation 20
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
These are only two verses.They don't need to be be explained with 2 pages.Just show where it says they do not believe.
Taken
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tailgator
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I'm just not seeing where it says they don't believe in their Lord.
I see where it says they say in their heart,their Lord delayeth his coming.
They eat and drink with the drunken
They smite their fellow servants
No where does it say they don't believe in their Lord.
Mathew 24
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
I see where it says they say in their heart,their Lord delayeth his coming.
They eat and drink with the drunken
They smite their fellow servants
No where does it say they don't believe in their Lord.
Mathew 24
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Taken
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IF? Are you retracting your accusation?
I am speaking ABOUT Scripture…(Gods approved knowledge), from a stand point of Spiritual Understanding of Gods approved Knowledge).
Already addressed that.
Everyone is JUDGED on their works…be such works Pro or Against God.
Revelation 20
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
If you require an elementary billeted Answer…get an elementary STUDENT BIBLE…
A student who Reads Scripture is REVEALED Gods Approved Knowledge…
A Converted Man IS ENTITLED to Receive Gods UNDERSTANDING of His OWN Revealed and approved KNOWLEDGE….
Gods KNOWLEDGE and TRUTHS are ALL throughout Scripture…If you missed the Lessons, the Study…
NOT ALL SHALL BE SAVED…Not my job to read and learn FOR you.
Some BELIEVE IN THEIR MIND…So What?
God REQUIRES BELIEF IN ones HEART!
Some BELIEVE IN then QUIT Believing…So What?
God REQUIRES BELIEF IN ones HEART!
A man CAN BELIEVE IN is Mind, his Heart…and QUIT believing…UNTIL he actually QUITS believing…he is still a Believer.
Every mans BODY’S LIFE SHALL DIE…God Requires that…
IF WHEN a mans BODY DIES…he absolutely could BODILY DIE…BELIEVING IN HIS MIND…but NOT IN His HEART…
*** Will that man be soul saved, spirit born again, raised in a glorified body? NO!
Can YOU delve into a man’s HEART and KNOW his TRUE HEARTFUL BELIEF? NO!
But God CAN…and DOES…
No slackers, fence sitters, unsure, doubtful….
On the day the Lord comes to JUDGE…
WHERE that man STANDS at that TIME…is HOW he will be JUDGED.
And IFY…he who is NOT “WITH” God IS by default…accounted “AGAINST” God.
IF YOU have NOT vowed, pledged your Heartful Belief to the Lord God and surrendered your bodily LIFE unto the Lord God….
You can believe, not believe, wonder, guess, believe, doubt….waver as long as you please….BUT ONCE physically dead…YOUR choice to be INCLUDED with the saved souls, quickened spirits, to be raised in bodily glory….CEASES.
Assuredness WITH God forever IS expressly by your own willingness to become Converted IN Christ.
Your choice…that which SHOULD concern YOU….not what every one else chooses.
Glory to God,
Taken
Taken
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The “HEART”…is the CLUE…
THEY are rejecting Gods TRUTH IN THEIR HEART!!
Gods Word, Gods Truth, Gods Power, Gods Spirit…etc….”IS” God.
What part of God, do you think it is ACCEPTABLE (to God) for a man TO REJECT?
Answer….ZIP…
tailgator
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As I said
These people are judge by their works.
They are not judged by their beliefs.
I've already stated this many times.
Revelation 20
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
tailgator
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No,you keep adding to God's word what is not there.
Rejecting God's truth is not there.
Read it again.This time ,try to pay attention to what is actually written without adding your own words.
Mathew 24
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Taken
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tailgator
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It's not beliefs.Works are deeds.
It's what you do..
James 2
2 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?
5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
6 But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?
7 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?
8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
tailgator
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If you did not worship the beast or it's image nor receive it's mark and give your life for Christ and the kingdom of heaven,that would be a great work(deed).
Revelation 14
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
Taken
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There is ONE “work”, called DOING the Work OF God….——> Believing in the ONE God sent.
There are NUMEROUS Works…deeds a person CAN DO…between Himself and others….teach, reveal. Gods word to others, helping, aiding, charity toward others.
There IS other works…service a person can do, to. Glorify God, Glorify Gods Name…which is right then….GIVING GOD THE CREDIT for ones ability to help, aid, give charity, to another.
EACH IS REPAID BY GOD…in different forms… Gifts, Blessings, Rewards.
Glory to God,
Taken
Spiritual Israelite
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A person's works reflect his or her beliefs.
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
I've already pointed this out to you and you are still being ignorant about it. Again...
2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
This shows that saved believers will be judged by our works as well. This is all taught in passages like Romans 14:10-12 and Matthew 25:31-46. Why do you ignore passages like these? It isn't that people's destinies are determined by their works, it's that our works reflect whether we had true faith or not. No one who has true faith in Christ doesn't serve and obey Him, right?
tailgator
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You can believe in Jesus and still sin.
Someone who has received the holy Ghost believes in Jesus.God has placed his spirit inside them .They know for a fact that God is real and that Jesus Christ died for their sins.
That does not stop them from sinning.They can still sin even though they believe.
These people,according to Paul will be burned.
Hebrews 6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
tailgator
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Mathew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Spiritual Israelite
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I thought you put me on your ignore list? Apparently not. Or did you put me on it and then took me back off because you missed me?
When did I say otherwise? Never. Of course we still sin and, as John said while including himself..
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
What in the world are you saying here? Do you believe that true Christians will be cast into the lake of fire? Are you saying that the only ones who will inherit the kingdom of God in the new heavens and new earth are those who never sin? That would mean no one will inherit the God. I am very concerned about your understanding of things. It seems that you think someone must be sinless in order to inherit eternal life in the kingdom of God rather than be cast into the lake of fire. Is that what you believe?
What about those who don't believe? The lost. Unsaved. Whatever you want to call them. Do you think the book of Revelation makes no mention of them? Are they not the ones whose names are not written in the book of life? Revelation 20:15 says it's those whose names are not written in the book of life who get cast into the lake of fire. How can you think that any saved believers will be cast into the lake of fire?
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