Did Paul know everything there is to know?

[Spiritual Israelite]

The word of God says the beast is a kingdom.

Very good! I'm surprised you could figure that out. But, I'm asking you to be specific. What kingdom is it? Or does it represent more than just one kingdom historically?

 

[tailgator]

You do not! Don't lie! Read word for word, it says that a singular hour is coming when ALL of the dead will be resurrected. You do NOT believe that.

I also read where them who are in heaven are gathered.It doesn't say them outside heaven are gathered.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I also read where them who are in heaven are gathered.It doesn't say them outside heaven are gathered.

Remember, we're talking about John 5:28-29. Where do you read that here:

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

But, since you said what you said, I guess I'll address that, too. Are you talking about this:

Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

If so, have you never read this parallel verse?

Mark 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

 

[tailgator]

Very good! I'm surprised you could figure that out. But, I'm asking you to be specific. What kingdom is it? Or does it represent more than just one kingdom historically?

You asked what it was and I told you
You haven't showed me anything I've asked for .

You going to show me where God told Paul to write or not?

 

[tailgator]

Remember, we're talking about John 5:28-29. Where do you read that here:

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Jesus said it in the gospel.

Mathew 24
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.





I don't see the entire world as being the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You asked what it was and I told you

You acted like you knew exactly what the beast is. Saying it's a kingdom does not indicate exactly what you think it is. Which kingdom?

You haven't showed me anything I've asked for .

Look at how many times I've responded to you. And you have the gall to tell me this?

You going to show me where God told Paul to write or not?

Not specifically like in the book of Revelation, but so what? Paul was inspired by God to write what he did. Do you agree with that or not? Yes or no? You seem to be avoiding this question for some reason, which makes me wonder about you.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Jesus said it in the gospel.

Mathew 24
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.





I don't see the entire world as being the kingdom of heaven.

You conveniently ignored this for some reason:

Mark 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

You seem to have trouble being honest. Why is that? Am I supposed to believe that you didn't see where I referenced Mark 13:27? Why did you not address it? There are 3 accounts of the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24-25, Mark 13 and Luke 21) and they don't contain all the same details. Mark included one detail here that Matthew didn't. You should not only read Matthew 24. You should also read Mark 13 and Luke 21 to get the big picture of the Olivet Discourse.

 

[tailgator]

You acted like you knew exactly what the beast is. Saying it's a kingdom does not indicate exactly what you think it is. Which kingdom?


Look at how many times I've responded to you. And you have the gall to tell me this?


Not specifically like in the book of Revelation, but so what? Paul was inspired by God to write what he did. Do you agree with that or not? Yes or no? You seem to be avoiding this question for some reason, which makes me wonder about you.

So Paul was not instructed to write a book of prophecy like I said.
Imagine that.

 

[tailgator]

You conveniently ignored this for some reason:

Mark 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

There are 3 accounts of the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24-25, Mark 13 and Luke 21) and they don't contain all the same details. Mark included one detail here that Matthew didn't. You should not only read Matthew 24. You should also read Mark 13 and Luke 21 to get the big picture of the Olivet Discourse.

I've read all.of them .
I have no problem understanding this


Mathew 24
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So Paul was not instructed to write a book of prophecy like I said.
Imagine that.

LOL! You are avoiding the question. He was led to write about prophecy by God, was he not? Do you believe that Paul was inspired by God when he wrote his letters? Yes or no. Your hesitancy to answer this question is quite telling. I'll give you one more chance. Please answer my simple question.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I've read all.of them .
I have no problem understanding this


Mathew 24
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

You seem to have trouble taking Mark 13:27 into account. Why is that? Do you have a low opinion of Mark like you do Paul? Do you believe that Mark 13:27 is a parallel verse to Matthew 24:31?

 

[tailgator]

LOL! You are avoiding the question. He was led to write about prophecy by God, was he not? Do you believe that Paul was inspired by God when he wrote his letters? Yes or no. Your hesitancy to answer this question is quite telling. I'll give you one more chance. Please answer my simple question.

You act as though Paul couldn't go take a bath in the Jordan without God leading him to.

 

[tailgator]

You seem to have trouble taking Mark 13:27 into account. Why is that? Do you have a low opinion of Mark like you do Paul? Do you believe that Mark 13:27 is a parallel verse to Matthew 24:31?

So your saying Mathew is a lier?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You act as though Paul couldn't go take a bath in the Jordan without God leading him to.

So, there it is. I'm not going to ask again. Your refusal to answer a very simple question says it all. You clearly do not believe that Paul was inspired by God when he wrote his letters. You are indeed one of those frauds who thinks that Paul's letters are not true scripture and can't be trusted. You have been exposed. I'm done here.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So your saying Mathew is a lier?

No, I'm saying Matthew, Mark and Luke did not give all the same details in their accounts. Isn't that obviously the case? How is that me calling Matthew a liar? Should I ask you if you are saying Mark is a liar? Do you believe Mark 13:27 is accurate which would just mean Matthew didn't include one detail that Mark did in that passage?

 

[tailgator]

So, there it is. I'm not going to ask again. Your refusal to answer a very simple question says it all. You clearly do not believe that Paul was inspired by God when he wrote his letters. You are indeed one of those frauds who thinks that Paul's letters are not true scripture and can't be trusted. You have been exposed. I'm done here.

I answered your question.You never answered mine.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I answered your question.You never answered mine.

You never answered my question of whether or not you believe Paul was inspired by God when he wrote his letters that we have as part of the New Testament. Yes or no, please. This is your last chance. I won't ask it again and am only asking it one more time because you somehow think you already answered it, which you didn't.

What question of yours didn't I answer? We've gone back and forth a lot at this point, so maybe I missed it.

 

[tailgator]

No, I'm saying Matthew, Mark and Luke did not give all the same detail in their accounts. Isn't that obviously the case? How is that me calling Matthew a liar? Should I ask you if you are saying Mark is a liar? Do you believe Mark 13:27 is accurate which would just mean Matthew didn't include one detail that Mark did in that passage?

Could be that Mathew account of heaven is correct.

Anyways.Thats how I understand it .

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Could be that Mathew account of heaven is correct.

Anyways.Thats how I understand it .

So, you're saying you think Mark is wrong in what he wrote here and we should go by what Matthew wrote instead?

Mark 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

 

[tailgator]

You never answered my question of whether or not you believe Paul was inspired by God when he wrote his letters that we have as part of the New Testament. Yes or no, please. This is your last chance. I won't ask it again and am only asking it one more time because you somehow think you already answered it, which you didn't.

What question of yours didn't I answer? We've gone back and forth a lot at this point, so maybe I missed it.

Paul was inspired but so was Peter when he felt he needed to chose the twelfth disciple to take Judas place.
Paul was not told to write what he did where John was.There is huge difference there.For John was even told what not to write.Paul wasn't .