Are there Two or More Resurrections?

[tailgator]

Are you somehow missing the part that talks about them possibly falling away? What if they fall away? They are still believers? If you think so, then what do you think it means to fall away?

There are a lot of people who claim to be christians who appear to worship the beast these days.

That could be considered a falling away.

 

[tailgator]

Are you somehow missing the part that talks about them possibly falling away? What if they fall away? They are still believers? If you think so, then what do you think it means to fall away?

I must be missing the point where the word of God says these people are unbelievers.
Maybe you can point that word out for me.


Revelation 20
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.



These people are not judged by their beliefs,they are judged by their works.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Did you bother to read anything other than that one verse?

Yep, I sure did. Why? Verse 1 only refers to the deliverance of Daniel's people so that's only talking about believers. Unbelievers will not be delivered by The Deliverer Jesus. So, in verse 2 he expands on what will happen at that time by including more than just Daniel's people being resurrected at that time. Why would there be two different times when both the saved and lost are resurrected? How does that make any sense? No, John 5:28-29 and Daniel 12:2 are about the same resurrection of all the dead, as is Acts 24:15.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

There are a lot of people who claim to be christians who appear to worship the beast these days.

That could be considered a falling away.

But, they are not Christians, right? That's the point. Christians will not be resurrected "unto shame and everlasting contempt" and to "damnation". Are you still believing that nonsense or are you getting my point now? Are you unteachable or are you willing to learn something?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I must be missing the point where the word of God says these people are unbelievers.
Maybe you can point that word out for me.

You think anyone who falls away is not an unbeliever? What is your understanding of this passage:

2 Thess 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

What do you think Paul is referring to when he talks about "a falling away" here? Are those who fall away still true believers after falling away?

Revelation 20
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

These people are not judged by their beliefs,they are judged by their works.

Are you somehow not aware that you and I and all other believers will also will be judged by our works?

Romans 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Look at Matthew 25:31-46, also.

 

[tailgator]

Yep, I sure did. Why? Verse 1 only refers to the deliverance of Daniel's people so that's only talking about believers. Unbelievers will not be delivered by The Deliverer Jesus. So, in verse 2 he expands on what will happen at that time by including more than just Daniel's people being resurrected at that time. Why would there be two different times when both the saved and lost are resurrected? How does that make any sense? No, John 5:28-29 and Daniel 12:2 are about the same resurrection of all the dead, as is Acts 24:15.

Verse 1is about Daniels people being delivered.

Apparently you believe the world will be resurected because Daniels people are being delivered.

 

[tailgator]

But, they are not Christians, right? That's the point. Christians will not be resurrected "unto shame and everlasting contempt" and to "damnation". Are you still believing that nonsense or are you getting my point now? Are you unteachable or are you willing to learn something?

Paul is the one preaching the scripture you call nonsense.

They have the holy Ghost in them.

 

[tailgator]

You think anyone who falls away is not an unbeliever? What is your understanding of this passage:

2 Thess 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

What do you think Paul is referring to when he talks about "a falling away" here? Are those who fall away still true believers after falling away?


Are you somehow not aware that you and I and all other believers will also will be judged by our works?

Romans 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Look at Matthew 25:31-46, also.

But you are the one calling them who are judged by their works,unbelievers.

You said they are unbelievers.The word of God doesn't.

Revelation 20
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[tailgator]

But, they are not Christians, right? That's the point. Christians will not be resurrected "unto shame and everlasting contempt" and to "damnation". Are you still believing that nonsense or are you getting my point now? Are you unteachable or are you willing to learn something?

You said these people being judged by their works are unbelievers.

Show me where God says they are unbelievers.


Revelation 20
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Verse 1is about Daniels people being delivered.

Apparently you believe the world will be resurected because Daniels people are being delivered.

No, because that is what Jesus taught. It's ridiculous to think that Jesus was talking about some other event in John 5:28-29 when both the saved and lost would be resurrected than the event described in Daniel 12:2 that has both saved and lost people being resurrected. And it's not as if Paul was referring to yet another event in Acts 24:15 when both the saved and lost would be resurrected.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You said these people being judged by their works are unbelievers.

Show me where God says they are unbelievers.


Revelation 20
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

LOL! Are you kidding me here? You can't possibly be serious. Do you actually think those whose names are not written in the book of life and will be cast into the lake of fire are saved believers?

When are you going to reveal that you're playing a big joke on me here? Hopefully soon because I don't want to go back and forth like this all night.

 

[tailgator]

No, because that is what Jesus taught. It's ridiculous to think that Jesus was talking about some other event in John 5:28-29 when both the saved and lost would be resurrected than the event described in Daniel 12:2 that has both saved and lost people being resurrected. And it's not as if Paul was referring to yet another event in Acts 24:15 when both the saved and lost would be resurrected.

What I'm seeing a n Daniel is Daniels people being discussed.I don't see a discussion about Egypt being resurected.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Paul is the one preaching the scripture you call nonsense.

They have the holy Ghost in them.

LOL. I am not calling the scripture nonsense and you know it. I'm calling your interpretation of it nonsense.

 

[tailgator]

LOL! Are you kidding me here? You can't possibly be serious. Do you actually think those whose names are not written in the book of life and will be cast into the lake of fire are saved believers?

When are you going to reveal that you're playing a big joke on me here? Hopefully soon because I don't want to go back and forth like this all night.

I'm waiting for you to show me where God says these are unbelievers being resurected.


Revelation 20
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[tailgator]

LOL. I am not calling the scripture nonsense and you know it. I'm calling your interpretation of it nonsense.

You say the people with the holy Ghost in them are unbelievers.
Paul doesn't call them unbelievers

 

[Taken]

Are there Two or More Resurrections?

WHEN a body ceases Living…exhaling its last breath…
The Living soul Departs OUT of the body.

IF at “any time” the Living soul is “returned” to the Body…the Body resumes Living…
^^^^^^ THAT is A Resurrection^^^^^

* Resurrections are recorded IN ancient history of the Old Testament…

* Resurrections are recorded IN history of the New Testament…

* Resurrections are claimed BY Physicians IN Medical Journals.

* Resurrections are claimed BY Individuals of having such an experience.

In the End of Days, as we KNOW the existence of Mortal Human Life…
ALL Humans SHALL experience mortal Death
And
ALL Humans SHALL experience A bodily Resurrection. (Via their living soul returning to their Body)
TWO Specific Resurrections ARE guaranteed to Occur as the END of mortality comes Ceases.

The TWO Resurrections expressly revealed IN Scripture is Regarding ALL Humans present upon the face of the earth, IN the ENDS DAYS…
Regarding…Humans WITH “SAVED” souls returning to their body's.
Regarding…Humans WITH “UN-SAVED” souls. Returning to their body’s.

THESE TWO END of this age of “Human mortality”…
“DOES NOT PREVENT ANY Resurrections FROM OCCURRING IN THIS DAY or ANY DAY BEFORE the ENDING of Human Mortality”.

Scripture reveals a LARGE Resurrection will OCCUR of Christ’s Church, prior to God sending DOWN from Heaven His tribulations and wrath upon all those upon the face of the Earth.

Fact is … Resurrections have occurred….will occurred….and TWO Last and Particular Resurrections SHALL Occur when the saved and unsaved souls are eternally Separated And Mortal Human Beings cease to exist.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

I'm waiting for you to show me where God says these are unbelievers being resurected.

John 5:
[29] And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Every body is raised…
Body’s that have a SAVED SOUL…are raised, JUDGED to ever lasting life.
Body’s that have an UNSAVED SOUL…are raised, JUDGED to damnation…(Destruction).

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[tailgator]

John 5:
[29] And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Every body is raised…
Body’s that have a SAVED SOUL…are raised, JUDGED to ever lasting life.
Body’s that have an UNSAVED SOUL…are raised, JUDGED to damnation…(Destruction).

Glory to God,
Taken

If you want to jump in then maybe you can quote out of these verses where God says these are unbelievers.Spiritual Israelites says they are but won't show me where God says they are.

Where does God says these people in the next three verses are unbelievers?

Revelation 20
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

If you want to jump in then maybe you can quote out of these verses where God says these are unbelievers.Spiritual Israelites says they are but won't show me where God says they are.

Where does God says these people in the next three verses are unbelievers?

Revelation 20
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

My goodness, you are just completely lacking in discernment. What does it say about them after that in verse 15? That they will be cast into the lake of fire, right? Do you actually think that saved believers will be cast into the lake of fire? That is the most absurd thing I've ever heard or read in my life. Please tell me you are not serious with this nonsense.

 

[tailgator]

My goodness, you are just completely lacking in discernment. What does it say about them after that in verse 15? That they will be cast into the lake of fire, right? Do you actually think that saved believers will be cast into the lake of fire? That is the most absurd thing I've ever heard in my life. Please tell me you are not serious with this nonsense.

No,it doesn't say everyone who is resurected is cast into a lake of fire.It says they are judged by their works,and whoever's name is not written is cast into the lake of fire.


Also you said they are all.unbelievers which is not written