Did Paul know everything there is to know?

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Im in a conversation with someone who is convinced that Paul new everything.
That he himself received the revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave to him to show his servants things which must shortly come to pass.



How many people on this board believe Paul received the revelation of Jesus Christ before John?
 

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Im in a conversation with someone who is convinced that Paul new everything.
That he himself received the revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave to him to show his servants things which must shortly come to pass.



How many people on this board believe Paul received the revelation of Jesus Christ before John?
I believe they both did along with all the other apostles.

1 John 2:27
27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.

This verse applies to some of us also. Jesus is the one who gives this knowledge to those he gives "offices" to from Eph. 4

cc: also @marks because you are in this thread
 
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Im in a conversation with someone who is convinced that Paul new everything.
That he himself received the revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave to him to show his servants things which must shortly come to pass.



How many people on this board believe Paul received the revelation of Jesus Christ before John?
Scripture is silent on that. Is there anything specific that would cause us to think this?

Personally I'd have to answer, I don't know, but I don't think so.

Revelation 1:1-2 LITV
1) A Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to Him to show to His slaves things which must occur quickly. He signified by sending through His angel to His slave, John,
2) who testified of the Word of God and the witness of Jesus Christ, even as many things as he saw.

Singified it, that is, to make it known, to show it, indicate it. Jesus did this be sending it through his angel to John. Paul is not mentioned, but there is an affirmative description of how this revelation was distributed, that being through John.

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I believe they both did along with all the other apostles.

1 John 2:27
27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.

This verse applies to some of us also. Jesus is the one who gives this knowledge to those he gives "offices" to from Eph. 4

cc: also @marks because you are in this thread
I received the anointing but I didn't suddenly know everything in the book.of revelation without reading it.
 

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Scripture is silent on that. Is there anything specific that would cause us to think this?

Personally I'd have to answer, I don't know, but I don't think so.

Revelation 1:1-2 LITV
1) A Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to Him to show to His slaves things which must occur quickly. He signified by sending through His angel to His slave, John,
2) who testified of the Word of God and the witness of Jesus Christ, even as many things as he saw.

Singified it, that is, to make it known, to show it, indicate it. Jesus did this be sending it through his angel to John. Paul is not mentioned, but there is an affirmative description of how this revelation was distributed, that being through John.

Much love!
That's what I think.
That it was given to John specifically.

I don't believe all of the apostles knew about the mark of the beast and all the events in revelation.
 

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That's what I think.
That it was given to John specifically.

I don't believe all of the apostles knew about the mark of the beast and all the events in revelation.
Look at 2 Thes. 2. He knew about the antichrist and what will happen.
 

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Did you ever receive that verse as a rhema?
I've been made to understand a verse but I didn't know about the things written in revelation untill I had read them.
I believe the purpose for John to write the book was so that people could read it.

I don't believe God simply makes everyone who receives the holy spirit suddenly know everything.
I don't believe Paul knew everything Jesus does.
 

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I received the holy Ghost Aug 31,1998 while I was praying asking for forgiveness and after forgiving everyone who had done me wrong and after confessing Jesus died for me..
It was on a Monday about midday.The day before I had fasted.
I love it! You can remember the date! Mine was February 9, 1977 around 8 pm.
 
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I received the holy Ghost Aug 31,1998 while I was praying asking for forgiveness and after forgiving everyone who had done me wrong and after confessing Jesus died for me..
It was on a Monday about midday.The day before I had fasted.
But 2/9/77 was when I received the Holy Spirit, but it wasn't until 6/9/2000 that He spoke to me and told me He was giving me the office of Teacher. My knowledge escalated big time after that!
 

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That's what I think.
That it was given to John specifically.

I don't believe all of the apostles knew about the mark of the beast and all the events in revelation.
They had the Books of Daniel and Zechariah, and Isaiah, which gave prophecies that could have been fulfilled then, after Jesus' resurrection, or centuries later.

The disciples were asking Jesus before He ascended if He was going to bring the kingdom then. Jesus said the time was in the Father's hands. I think that God was not going to tell us what would happen after Israel finished rejecting Jesus in finality (Acts 28) until they actually had.

All of the OT prophecies could have been fulfilled in the apostolic era, between Rome and Israel. Had Isreal receive Jesus, they would have killed Jesus just the same. When Jesus rose, and ascended, it would have incited such fervent nationalism that Rome would have come in to crush them, which would have been the great tribulation. Of course some of these affect the whole earth, I'm hoping you see the distinction I'm showing.

Acts 3:19-21 KJV
19) Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
20) And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21) Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Jesus would have returned, saved Israel from total destruction, and started His kingdom. But they rejected Him, the Gospel was sent to the gentiles via Paul. And prophecies were given that could only be fulfilled on a worldwide basis, and after that particular era.

It's like God gives them a choice, but only after they choose does He release His word to them, "Since you've chosen this way, here's what's going to happen . . ." But He waits until they've actually made that choice.

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That's what I think.
That it was given to John specifically.

I don't believe all of the apostles knew about the mark of the beast and all the events in revelation.
Revelation is a symbolic book and it describes things symbolically that are described elsewhere in scripture literally. You are sadly mistaken and your low opinion of Paul is pathetic.

Let me tell you something, everyone. This guy thinks that Paul didn't know all there is to know about the resurrection of the dead. Can you believe this? Is there any reason that Paul wouldn't have known that considering that the same Holy Spirit inspired him as inspired John and considering that he prophesied about the resurrection of the dead several times? Did he not fully know what he was talking about, as poster tailgator thinks? If you agree with this guy and his low opinion of Paul, tell me what is taught about the resurrection of the dead in Revelation that Paul would not have known about.

Paul gave the order of bodily resurrections of the dead in 1 Corinthians 15:22-23. Was he foolish to do that because he supposedly didn't have all the necessary information? Or can we trust that Paul knew what he was talking about?
 

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Revelation is a symbolic book and it describes things symbolically that are described elsewhere in scripture literally. You are sadly mistaken and your low opinion of Paul is pathetic.

Let me tell you something, everyone. This guy thinks that Paul didn't know all there is to know about the resurrection of the dead. Can you believe this? Is there any reason that Paul wouldn't have known that considering that the same Holy Spirit inspired him as inspired John and considering that he prophesied about the resurrection of the dead several times? Did he not fully know what he was talking about, as poster tailgator thinks? If you agree with this guy and his low opinion of Paul, tell me what is taught about the resurrection of the dead in Revelation that Paul would not have known about.

Paul gave the order of bodily resurrections of the dead in 1 Corinthians 15:22-23. Was he foolish to do that because he supposedly didn't have all the necessary information? Or can we trust that Paul knew what he was talking about?

If Paul knew of both resurrections in revelation,the one before the millennium and the one after ,then why didn't he write about both resurections 1000 years apart?