OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

[Phoneman777]

All of those are warnings or due to the possibility of not being fully committed..

Why are you liberals always so cognitively impaired?

I'll spell it out for you in a way that you'll have no problem keeping up:

The Unmerciful Servant's impossible monetary debt represents our impossible sin debt, but after being fully forgiven he ended up owing it again because he refused to allow his master's grace to continue working in his own life. So, too, will be the fate of the saint who says, "This far and no further, Lord".

The words "renew them again unto repentance" means an initial renewal unto repentance took place.

The "many" of Matthew 24:12 KJV are none other than saints whose "agape" turned cold/dead within them.

Understand? We're not reading about people who were never saved - but once saved yet now lost.

 

[Phoneman777]

Another one..

People who have true saving faith, don;t just leave
Maybe if you all actually experienced Gods love in his saving power you would understand this? But I am begining to seriously doubt you have

If the OSAS crowd would truly experience God's love, they wouldn't have to rely on a OSAS License to Sin.

Imagine a groom on his wedding night whipping out a "License to cheat" and presenting it to his bride.

That's exactly what the OSAS License to Sin is, whether the OSAS crowd is honest enough to admit it or not.

 

[BlessedPeace]

To the natural mind the things of God are foolishness.
Example:

If the OSAS crowd would truly experience God's love, they wouldn't have to rely on a OSAS License to Sin.

Imagine a groom on his wedding night whipping out a "License to cheat" and presenting it to his bride.

That's exactly what the OSAS License to Sin is, whether the OSAS crowd is honest enough to admit it or not.

 

[ScottA]

Why are you liberals always so cognitively impaired?

I'll spell it out for you in a way that you'll have no problem keeping up:

The Unmerciful Servant's impossible monetary debt represents our impossible sin debt, but after being fully forgiven he ended up owing it again because he refused to allow his master's grace to continue working in his own life. So, too, will be the fate of the saint who says, "This far and no further, Lord".

The words "renew them again unto repentance" means an initial renewal unto repentance took place.

The "many" of Matthew 24:12 KJV are none other than saints whose "agape" turned cold/dead within them.

Understand? We're not reading about people who were never saved - but once saved yet now lost.

For your insolence you do not deserve even to be set straight and corrected. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Nonetheless, No, that is not correct. In Hebrews 6 the context is pre-salvation. For salvation is entrance into that age to come and heaven of which Paul spoke (verse 5). Therefore he goes on to warn those who have not yet fully attained or entered in. Indeed, the love of many of these will and does grow cold.

But I only refer to the scriptures that those like yourself might reason within themselves who have yet to come into the full knowledge of the truth, that no one who has passed from death to life can at all pass back to death, for such a one is One with God, though they may yet remain in the world. As for correction, it is not I who has spoken.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If the OSAS crowd would truly experience God's love, they wouldn't have to rely on a OSAS License to Sin.

Nope

thats what NOSAS relys on, they excuse their sin, and attack other people to make themselves look good as all good pharisees did

 

[BlessedPeace]

For your insolence you do not deserve even to be set straight and corrected. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Nonetheless, No, that is not correct. In Hebrews 6 the context is pre-salvation. For salvation is entrance into that age to come and heaven of which Paul spoke (verse 5). Therefore he goes on to warn those who have not yet fully attained or entered in. Indeed, the love of many of these will and does grow cold.

But I only refer to the scriptures that those like yourself might reason within themselves who have yet to come into the full knowledge of the true, that no one who has passed from death to life can at all pass back to death, for such a one is One with God, though they may yet remain in the world. As for correction, it is not I who has spoken.

Remember. Some people think trolls post and run. Not true. Some hang around for years.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Remember. Some people think trolls post and run. Not true. Some hang around for years.

sad but true

 

[Phoneman777]

To the natural mind the things of God are foolishness.
Example:

Thank you for pointing out how foolish it is to try to hold onto Jesus with one hand and sin with the other.

 

[Phoneman777]

For your insolence you do not deserve even to be set straight and corrected. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

That's OK because neither your criticism nor correction of me is necessary.

Nonetheless, No, that is not correct. In Hebrews 6 the context is pre-salvation.

I can't believe this. It's as if the OSAS crowd checks their brain at the door when entering the chat.

Do you not understand that "repentance" means "mind change" from "carnal mind" to the "mind of Christ"?
Do you not understand that "renew them AGAIN unto repentance" means a PRIOR repentance occurred?
Do you not understand that by reverting back to "carnal" God can't "renew them AGAIN unto repentance?

For salvation is entrance into that age to come and heaven of which Paul spoke (verse 5). Therefore he goes on to warn those who have not yet fully attained or entered in.

Just as a woman is either pregnant or not pregnant, so too a person is either saved or not saved. I've told you stubborn OSAS License to Sin holders time and time again there is no spiritual Switzerland.

Indeed, the love of many of these will and does grow cold.

Q. Are these "many" saints or sinners?
A. Saints because it's impossible for sinners to take part in agape (Romans 8:7KJV;1 John 5:3 KJV)
Q. Are they going to heaven?
A. Even if you choose to ignore the obvious "compare/contrast" of the fates of the "cold agape" folks in verse 12 with the "saved" man in verse 13 - you can't escape the fact that if mere "lukewarmness" causes Jesus to spit people out of His mouth (Revelation 3:16 KJV), how much more spitworthy are these "cold" agape people?

But I only refer to the scriptures that those like yourself might reason within themselves who have yet to come into the full knowledge of the truth, that no one who has passed from death to life can at all pass back to death, for such a one is One with God, though they may yet remain in the world. As for correction, it is not I who has spoken.

I've shown you plenty of Scripture, but you choose blur the line between unconditional love and conditional salvation - on condition of genuine repentance not sinful persistence.

 

[Phoneman777]

Nope

thats what NOSAS relys on, they excuse their sin, and attack other people to make themselves look good as all good pharisees did

Ancient Pharisees claimed God's promises but rejected the conditions on them: repentance from sin.
Today's Pharisees - the OSAS License to Sin crowd - do exactly the same. Hence, the OSAS License to Sin.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Thank you for pointing out how foolish it is to try to hold onto Jesus with one hand and sin with the other.

Oh no,allow me to give my thanks. That we who are in Christ and have Christ within us, are here to insure those who are of natural mind and do not know His Gospel are not then able to insist His Eternal Irrevocable Free Gift of Salvation is a license to Sin.

 

[ScottA]

That's OK because neither your criticism nor correction of me is necessary.

I can't believe this. It's as if the OSAS crowd checks their brain at the door when entering the chat.

Do you not understand that "repentance" means "mind change" from "carnal mind" to the "mind of Christ"?
Do you not understand that "renew them AGAIN unto repentance" means a PRIOR repentance occurred?
Do you not understand that by reverting back to "carnal" God can't "renew them AGAIN unto repentance?

Just as a woman is either pregnant or not pregnant, so too a person is either saved or not saved. I've told you stubborn OSAS License to Sin holders time and time again there is no spiritual Switzerland.

Q. Are these "many" saints or sinners?
A. Saints because it's impossible for sinners to take part in agape (Romans 8:7KJV;1 John 5:3 KJV)
Q. Are they going to heaven?
A. Even if you choose to ignore the obvious "compare/contrast" of the fates of the "cold agape" folks in verse 12 with the "saved" man in verse 13 - you can't escape the fact that if mere "lukewarmness" causes Jesus to spit people out of His mouth (Revelation 3:16 KJV), how much more spitworthy are these "cold" agape people?

I've shown you plenty of Scripture, but you choose blur the line between unconditional love and conditional salvation - on condition of genuine repentance not sinful persistence.

I leave you to your religion.

 

[face2face]

Nope

thats what NOSAS relys on, they excuse their sin, and attack other people to make themselves look good as all good pharisees did

The Pharisees claimed they could see spiritually, yet Jesus told them they were guilty because they were still blind, John 9:41. Paul knew of people who claimed “to know God, but by their actions they deny him” Titus 1:16

OSAS is far to easy a doctrine to adopt and fails to explain the complete picture of salvation.

4:18 And if the righteous are barely saved, what will become of the ungodly and sinners? 1 Pe 4:18.

Anything be easy!

F2F

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Thank you for pointing out how foolish it is to try to hold onto Jesus with one hand and sin with the other.

so your sinless?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Ancient Pharisees claimed God's promises but rejected the conditions on them: repentance from sin.

No they did not claim Gods promise. they rejected the one sent, Because like you and most religious people. You think your ok, youi did not need saved,,

Today's Pharisees - the OSAS License to Sin crowd - do exactly the same. Hence, the OSAS License to Sin.

Your decieved in saying this,

A pharisee was a NOSAS person. they thought that had to obey a set of rules. and follow religious instrictions, or they would be lost.

Thats you my friend. Not me..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The Pharisees claimed they could see spiritually, yet Jesus told them they were guilty because they were still blind, John 9:41. Paul knew of people who claimed “to know God, but by their actions they deny him” Titus 1:16

Yep, this sounds just like you. Still blind.. You would reject jesus if he was here today, because he would tell you what he told them, and we are telling you

OSAS is far to easy a doctrine to adopt and fails to explain the complete picture of salvation.

Actually it is very difficult. our flesh and pride gets in the way, You are proof of how difficult it is to just sit still and rely on God..

4:18 And if the righteous are barely saved, what will become of the ungodly and sinners? 1 Pe 4:18.

Anything be easy!

F2F

You tell me, what will become of you who deny your own sin, and accuse others of being sinners.

when people point to other people and call them sinners.. Who do they more resemble. The pharisees who did this very thing, Or jesus, who said he did nto come to judge, but came to save, and ate with sinners. Because they needed him..

 

[face2face]

when people point to other people and call them sinners.. Who do they more resemble. The pharisees who did this very thing, Or jesus, who said he did nto come to judge, but came to save, and ate with sinners. Because they needed him..

The most noteworthy aspect of your reply was your inability to speak to 1 Peter 4:18.

 

[BlessedPeace]

The most noteworthy aspect of your reply was your inability to speak to 1 Peter 4:18.

Proverbs 11:
31 If the righteous receive their due on earth,
how much more the ungodly and the sinner!



What you might consider noteworthy on your part is you excised a single verse from 1st Peter so to eliminate the full context of the teaching in a "gotcha" effort.

Only,you got yourself in the process. Because the full chapter refutes what you're trying to show in an effort to refute the Gospel.

1 Peter 4​

New International Version​

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Living for God​

4 Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because whoever suffers in the body is done with sin. 2 As a result, they do not live the rest of their earthly lives for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God. 3 For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do—living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry. 4 They are surprised that you do not join them in their reckless, wild living, and they heap abuse on you. 5 But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. 6 For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.
7 The end of all things is near. Therefore be alert and of sober mind so that you may pray. 8 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins. 9 Offer hospitality to one another without grumbling. 10 Each of you should use whatever gift you have received to serve others, as faithful stewards of God’s grace in its various forms. 11 If anyone speaks, they should do so as one who speaks the very words of God. If anyone serves, they should do so with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To him be the glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen.

Suffering for Being a Christian​

12 Dear friends, do not be surprised at the fiery ordeal that has come on you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. 13 But rejoice inasmuch as you participate in the sufferings of Christ, so that you may be overjoyed when his glory is revealed. 14 If you are insulted because of the name of Christ, you are blessed, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you. 15 If you suffer, it should not be as a murderer or thief or any other kind of criminal, or even as a meddler. 16 However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name. 17 For it is time for judgment to begin with God’s household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God? 18 And,
“If it is hard for the righteous to be saved,
what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?”[a]
19 So then, those who suffer according to God’s will should commit themselves to their faithful Creator and continue to do good.

Footnotes​

1. 1 Peter 4:18 Prov. 11:31 (see Septuagint)

1 Peter 3
1 Peter 5
New International Version (NIV)

 

[face2face]

Proverbs 11:
31 If the righteous receive their due on earth,
how much more the ungodly and the sinner!

Nice single verse Blessed ;)

It's similar to the Universalists who make salvation easy (they make God a debtor!) when in reality the elect are so called because of how they have responded (out of obedience) and not because God has wholesaled Salvation.

This Biblical teaching is foreign to you because you are yet to see the complete picture - locking in on one aspect of salvation and ignoring all the warnings leaves you exposed.

F2F

 

[BlessedPeace]

Nice single verse Blessed ;)

It's similar to the Universalists who make salvation easy (they make God a debtor!) when in reality the elect are so called because of how they have responded (out of obedience) and not because God has wholesaled Salvation.

This Biblical teaching is foreign to you because you are yet to see the complete picture - locking in on one aspect of salvation and ignoring all the warnings leaves you exposed.

F2F

Unfortunately,understandably, you didn't read the 1st Peter chapter so to realize the Proverbs verse relationship.

The foundation of the Gospel truth is solid as a rock.

From there everything in scripture constructs the interrelationship that is,defined,and embodies the grace filled living truth of God. And God's plan of and for free irrevocable Salvation.

Your labeling the Gospel as Universalism is false.