Are there Two or More Resurrections?

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In verse five we find the expression, "But the rest of the dead lived not (again) until the thousand years were finished." This expression is not found in some manuscripts notably the Vatican and Syriac. But assuming that it is a genuine part of our text it will come up for some reference as we proceed. These six verses have been the subject of much debate in the controversies over this book. We will notice a few variant views.

1st. The premillennial view assumes that the nineteenth chapter describes the second coming of Christ and that these six verses teach that all the righteous dead will be resurrected and live on the earth during the thousand years, and the wicked dead will not be resurrected till the thousand years are ended. Then at the end of the postmillennial period they will be resurrected and brought to judgment as described in the end of this chapter which is a judgment of the wicked only according to the premillennialist. The difficulties in this view are these:

(a) It contradicts everything taught elsewhere in the Bible about the resurrection and the judgment. It contradicts Christ's repeated declarations that the resurrection is at the last day, and the judgment of the righteous at the last day. It contradicts Christ's teaching in Joh 5:28 that the just and unjust are raised at the same time, one resurrection for all that are in their graves.
It contradicts the teaching of Christ in Mat 25:31 that when Christ comes then will ensue the general judgment and the assignment of destiny to the righteous and wicked.
It contradicts the closing part of this twentieth chapter where we see all the dead, small and great, coming from their graves and from the bottom of the sea and standing before God in one general judgment.

(b) It makes this obscure passage a key to interpret the plain portions elsewhere, whereas the true rule is that the obscure must be interpreted by the obvious.

(c) This view is supposed to be strengthened by the statement: "The rest of the dead lived not again till the thousand years were finished." But even the premillennialist would not be ready to admit that the wicked dead were actually resurrected at the end of the thousand years, and actually "lived" during the post-millennial period, which his literal interpretation would seem to require.

(d) Besides, the premillennial view makes the resurrection precede the "Tribulation," and therefore should show us the resurrection at the beginning of the fourth chapter (and not a line of it is there) instead of at the beginning of the twentieth chapter.
If this is a living of resurrected saints on earth, what becomes of them at the end of the thousand years? Do they die again? or ascend again? To this, premillennialism has no answer.

Besides if the end of the chapter describes only the resurrection and judgment of the wicked, what provision is made for the resurrection of all the righteous who were born and lived in the millennial and post-millennial periods? And for this also premillennialism has no answer.

These difficulties seem fatal to the premillennial view.

2nd. Another view held by Saint Augustine, by Dr. David Brown, a great authority on the subject, and by Dr. A. H. Strong, the great theologian of the Baptist church, is to the effect that the reigning saints are the triumphant church on earth in the millennial period.

The Christian cause or body that was smitten with the sword and burned in the persecutor's fire, will rise to triumph and domination in the millennial days. That is the resurrection, it is the resurrection of the cause, or party or church of Christ. It will rise to power and rule the world while the Satan party or serpent party will be overcome. But when the thousand years are finished that Satan-party will rise again to live and fight and persecute the church in the post-millennial period as this chapter depicts.

This view brings out the antithesis expressed in these verses. The saint-party rose and lived, the serpent-party also rose and lived. No bodily resurrection in either case; that occurs at the end when the dead small and great stand before God.

3rd. The view honored by the names of Prof. C. A. Briggs and Prof. B. B, Warfield is that this vision shows the saints and martyrs in heaven. It was meant to show that the redeemed are in heaven safe from all the persecutions that raged below, and that John wrote this to encourage the church facing the persecution of that and subsequent times. It would nerve them to faithfulness to see the glory of the martyr when the persecutor's sword had done its worst. It was not meant to show the raising of bodies, but the raising of souls to their heavenly home. This is the first resurrection, the entrance upon heavenly joys, and the second resurrection is the bodily resurrection of all the dead at the end of the world.
Taken from D. S. Clark's Commentary on Revelation, The Message from Patmos
 
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This expression is not found in some manuscripts notably the Vatican and Syriac. But assuming that it is a genuine part of our text it will come up for some reference as we proceed.


Do you accept it as valid or no?
 

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These six verses have been the subject of much debate in the controversies over this book.
It is clear without any other explanation from Scripture. Those beheaded. Not those martyred from when Cain killed Abel, until that point. These beheaded are clearly a small set of people who stand in Judgment, and given life.

They are not found in heaven, because there is no Scripture that ever explicitly states these beheaded ever went to heaven.

Based on the context of the text alone, they were in sheol with the rest of the dead. They were the only ones resurrected.

And no verse ever says the rest of the dead were resurrected later. John says they stand as dead in Judgment and seemingly all tossed into the LOF.

If there is a resurrection at that point, those resurrected would not be tossed into the LOF. They would be granted exemption from the second death, just like those beheaded were granted exemption from the second death a thousand years earlier.
 

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I see things little different than most .
I see two separate resurections.The first Israelites.Both them who have done good and bad.
The Israelites who keep the commandments including the Sabbath day which represents the1000 years.

The second is the nations which would take place after the Sabbath day.

The holy people and kingdom of priests in revelation 20:6 is the fulfillment of God's promise to the Israelites who keep his covenant in Exodus 19:6.



Revelation 20
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Exodus 19:6
you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.”





I don't believe the great multitude which comes out of great tribulation were resurected.I believe they are saved at the time of the great tribulation.
 

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The first resurection in revelation 20 corresponds to the resurrection of israel in Ezekiel 37.
Ezekiel 37
13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.


The later resurrection would take place after Gog and the nations come against the resurected saints of Israel in Ezekiel 38-39..That would be after the 1000 years (Sabbath day)in revelation 20.


That's how I see things.
 

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I see things little different than most .
I see two separate resurections.The first Israelites.Both them who have done good and bad.
The Israelites who keep the commandments including the Sabbath day which represents the1000 years.

The second is the nations which would take place after the Sabbath day.

The holy people and kingdom of priests in revelation 20:6 is the fulfillment of God's promise to the Israelites who keep his covenant in Exodus 19:6.



Revelation 20
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Exodus 19:6
you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.”
Who do you think John is talking about here when he says Jesus "hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father":

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
 

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Who do you think John is talking about here when he says Jesus "hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father":

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Who is Jesus speaking of here?


Revelation 2
26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
 
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Who is Jesus speaking of here?
Answering a question with a question? A sure sign that you are afraid to have your view challenged. You would prefer to ignore the scriptures that clearly disagree with your view. Can you please answer my question first? Then I will answer your question. Again, who is John talking about here:

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
 

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Answering a question with a question? A sure sign that you are afraid to have your view challenged. You would prefer to ignore the scriptures that clearly disagree with your view. Can you please answer my question first? Then I will answer your question. Again, who is John talking about here:

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
If you understood the name of someone who overcomes,then you wouldn't have to ask.

The name is Israel.
Israel shall rule over the nations in the Lord's land.

Isaiah 14:2
Nations will take them and bring them to their own place. And Israel will take possession of the nations and make them male and female servants in the LORD’s land. They will make captives of their captors and rule over their oppressors


You won't say the word of God is wrong now would you?
 
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Here again is the first resurection which takes place at the time of great tribulation.
Notice ,this is speaking of Daniels people.

Daniel 12:1-2
And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame.
 

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If you understood the name of someone who overcomes,then you wouldn't have to ask.

The name is Israel.
Israel shall rule over the nations in the Lord's land.

Isaiah 14:2
Nations will take them and bring them to their own place. And Israel will take possession of the nations and make them male and female servants in the LORD’s land. They will make captives of their captors and rule over their oppressors


You won't say the word of God is wrong now would you?
So, your answer to who John was writing about in the following passage is Israel. But, which Israel?

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

You must be saying this is talking about the spiritual Israel of God (and not the nation of Israel) since Jesus washed us who are of the spiritual Israel of God "from our sins in his own blood".
 

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Here again is the first resurection which takes place at the time of great tribulation.
Notice ,this is speaking of Daniels people.

Daniel 12:1-2
And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame.
No, that's the second resurrection. Jesus's resurrection is the first resurrection.

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

First resurrection:

1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

Second resurrection:

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
 
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No, that's the second resurrection. Jesus's resurrection is the first resurrection.

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

First resurrection:

1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

Second resurrection:

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

No,Jesus resurrection is not the first resurection .
The first resurection is of Israel who die for their testimony of Jesus and who do not worship the beast or it's image or recieve it's mark.

Revelation 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.



These who die for their testimony of Jesus die after Jesus was already resurected and ascended into heaven.They die testifying of Jesus like Stephen did
They are beheaded for their witness of Jesus.
 

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No,Jesus resurrection is not the first resurection .
Scripture says it is, so I am going to side with scripture over you every time.

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Having part in the first resurrection has to do with spiritually having part in the first resurrection, which was Christ's resurrection, according to scripture.
 
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Scripture says it is, so I am going to side with scripture over you every time.

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Having part in the first resurrection has to do with spiritually having part in the first resurrection, which was Christ's resurrection, according to scripture.
Actually scripture says this is the first resurection.
It is of them who were beheaded for their witness of Jesus.
See where it says"this is the first resurection"?


Revelation 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.



This first resurection isn't talking about Jesus's resurrection.It is the resurection of them who die for their testimony of Jesus,and who do not worship the beast or it's image or recieve it's mark.
 
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The first resurection consists of these who die in the Lord from.henceforth.


Revelation 14
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
 

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Actually scripture says this is the first resurection.
It is of them who were beheaded for their witness of Jesus.
See where it says"this is the first resurection"?
They are the ones who have part in the first resurrection, but what you're not recognizing is that it's talking about spiritually having part of Christ's resurrection, as scripture talks about.

Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

You can find similar passages to this such as Ephesians 2:4-6 and Romans 6:1-4.

Revelation 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.



This first resurection isn't talking about Jesus's resurrection.It is the resurection of them who die for their testimony of Jesus,and who does not worship the beast or it's image or recieve it's mark.
You have the false impression that the beast is only a future entity. The following disproves that:

Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
 

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"Are there Two or More Resurrections?

YES. That the very reason why John mentions a "FIRST resurrection" in Rev. 20, making it absolutely necessary that there be more than one of these group resurrection events. Mention of a "FIRST" always entails at least a "second" to follow, and allowing for yet another after that.
 

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They are the ones who have part in the first resurrection, but what you're not recognizing is that it's talking about spiritually having part of Christ's resurrection, as scripture talks about.

Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

You can find similar passages to this such as Ephesians 2:4-6 and Romans 6:1-4.


You have the false impression that the beast is only a future entity. The following disproves that:

Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Wrong beast.And the sea beast has not issued his mark yet.That takes place at the coming of the second beast which has not arrived in Israel yet.


It is these who die in the Lord from henceforth who are resurrected in the first resurection and reign with Christ during the Sabbath day.



Revelation 14

9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
 

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Wrong beast.And the sea beast has not issued his mark yet.That takes place at the coming of the second beast which has not arrived in Israel yet.


It is these who die in the Lord from henceforth who are resurrected in the first resurection and reign with Christ during the Sabbath day.



Revelation 14

9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
Can you show me how your understanding of the order of bodily resurrections unto bodily immortality lines up with what Paul taught about that here:

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.