Apostate Israel is Babylon- common sense.

[Davy]

Currently God is specifically dealing with the Gentiles, and not the Jew. (*Time of the Gentiles"..) Paul is the "Apostle to the Gentiles".

Soon, the Trib starts, and God resumes His specific dealing with the Jew.

See the (144,000) for the update.

That's an assumption brethren. Not written.

God has never stopped... dealing with the children of Israel. In all their scatterings and migrations God has been involved and even revealed it in His Word (Isaiah 42:9).

The problem is those who don't study His Word enough in order to understand this. Those keep making false assumptions as if they do know, when they do not. Some country preacher who doesn't really know his Bible makes a wild statement like it's truth and then it becomes a pop fad belief by the congregations that don't study their Bible either. Popularity of a doctrine does not... make it truth from God's Word.

Apostle Paul in Romans 11 already showed us per God's Word that God has spiritually blinded the majority of his brethren the Jews, until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in (i.e., when Jesus returns). That is when God will remove their blindness. And Paul showed there that God put that blindness upon them (the Jews) so The Gospel would go to the Gentiles.

However, God's Word reveals that the majority of the other tribes of Israel would also receive The Gospel because of being scattered among the Gentiles. That history most of my Christian brethren don't know about because their country preachers don't study enough to know about it either, blind leaders of the blind.

And to really... show how blind some of those preachers are today, they believe that the 144,000 represent blinded Orthodox Jews that go through the tribulation, but that some convert to Jesus, and become what those blind preachers call "tribulation saints", which is nowhere written in God's Word. What God's Word reveals about the tribulation, is that everyone entering it will already believe one way or the other going in, and all through it. That means if you went into the trib as a non-believing Jew, you remain a non-believer until the day of Christ's future return at the end of that trib. Thus Pre-trib Rapture doctrine's theories on that are false, made up by some assuming country preacher in 1800's Great Britain.

Revelation 7 reveals the 144,000 are ALL CHRISTIAN ISRAELITES, members of Christ's Church! And the reason is simple, because the Scripture shows them being SEALED with GOD's SEAL. Per New Testament doctrine, that 'sealing' is by The Holy Spirit which comes through Faith on Jesus Christ.

The "great multitude" of Rev.7:9 represents those 'sealed' of the Gentiles. So both of those groups in Rev.7 represent Christ's Church at the end that goes through the "great tribulation", both believing Israelites, and believing Gentiles.

 

[tailgator]

That's an assumption brethren. Not written.

God has never stopped... dealing with the children of Israel. In all their scatterings and migrations God has been involved and even revealed it in His Word (Isaiah 42:9).

The problem is those who don't study His Word enough in order to understand this. Those keep making false assumptions as if they do know, when they do not. Some country preacher who doesn't really know his Bible makes a wild statement like it's truth and then it becomes a pop fad belief by the congregations that don't study their Bible either. Popularity of a doctrine does not... make it truth from God's Word.

Apostle Paul in Romans 11 already showed us per God's Word that God has spiritually blinded the majority of his brethren the Jews, until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in (i.e., when Jesus returns). That is when God will remove their blindness. And Paul showed there that God put that blindness upon them (the Jews) so The Gospel would go to the Gentiles.

However, God's Word reveals that the majority of the other tribes of Israel would also receive The Gospel because of being scattered among the Gentiles. That history most of my Christian brethren don't know about because their country preachers don't study enough to know about it either, blind leaders of the blind.

And to really... show how blind some of those preachers are today, they believe that the 144,000 represent blinded Orthodox Jews that go through the tribulation, but that some convert to Jesus, and become what those blind preachers call "tribulation saints", which is nowhere written in God's Word. What God's Word reveals about the tribulation, is that everyone entering it will already believe one way or the other going in, and all through it. That means if you went into the trib as a non-believing Jew, you remain a non-believer until the day of Christ's future return at the end of that trib. Thus Pre-trib Rapture doctrine's theories on that are false, made up by some assuming country preacher in 1800's Great Britain.

Revelation 7 reveals the 144,000 are ALL CHRISTIAN ISRAELITES, members of Christ's Church! And the reason is simple, because the Scripture shows them being SEALED with GOD's SEAL. Per New Testament doctrine, that 'sealing' is by The Holy Spirit which comes through Faith on Jesus Christ.

The "great multitude" of Rev.7:9 represents those 'sealed' of the Gentiles. So both of those groups in Rev.7 represent Christ's Church at the end that goes through the "great tribulation", both believing Israelites, and believing Gentiles.

Revelation 14:1
Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.


I think I was reading about these guys earlier today in Ezekiel 9.


3 And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side;

4 And the Lord said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.

5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:

6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.

7 And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city.

 

[Behold]

That's an assumption brethren.

Paul is the = "apostle to the gentiles", in the = "time of the Gentiles".

This "time" started with the Cross that birthed the "Church", and most of the "church" is GENTILES, not Jews.

Jesus chose Paul for this (main)(gentile,Goyim) = ministry..

KJ21
But the Lord said unto him, “Go thy way, for he is a chosen vessel unto Me, to bear My name before the Gentiles....... and kings and the children of Israel.
ASV
But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles...... and kings, and the children of Israel:
AMP
But the Lord said to him, “Go, for this man is a [deliberately] chosen instrument of Mine, to bear My name before the Gentiles..... and kings and the sons of Israel;
AMPC
But the Lord said to him, Go, for this man is a chosen instrument of Mine to bear My name before the Gentiles........ and kings and the descendants of Israel;
BRG
But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, .....,,and kings, and the children of Israel:
CSB
But the Lord said to him, “Go, for this man is my chosen instrument to take my name to Gentiles,....... kings, and Israelites.
CEB
The Lord replied, “Go! This man is the agent I have chosen to carry my name before Gentiles........ kings, and Israelites.
CJB
But the Lord said to him, “Go, because this man is my chosen instrument to carry my name to the Goyim, ........even to their kings, and to the sons of Isra’el as well.

 

[tailgator]

Paul is the = "apostle to the gentiles", in the = "time of the Gentiles".

This "time" started with the Cross that birthed the "Church", and most of the "church" is GENTILES, not Jews.

Jesus chose Paul for this (main)(gentile,Goyim) = ministry..

KJ21
But the Lord said unto him, “Go thy way, for he is a chosen vessel unto Me, to bear My name before the Gentiles....... and kings and the children of Israel.
ASV
But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles...... and kings, and the children of Israel:
AMP
But the Lord said to him, “Go, for this man is a [deliberately] chosen instrument of Mine, to bear My name before the Gentiles..... and kings and the sons of Israel;
AMPC
But the Lord said to him, Go, for this man is a chosen instrument of Mine to bear My name before the Gentiles........ and kings and the descendants of Israel;
BRG
But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, .....,,and kings, and the children of Israel:
CSB
But the Lord said to him, “Go, for this man is my chosen instrument to take my name to Gentiles,....... kings, and Israelites.
CEB
The Lord replied, “Go! This man is the agent I have chosen to carry my name before Gentiles........ kings, and Israelites.
CJB
But the Lord said to him, “Go, because this man is my chosen instrument to carry my name to the Goyim, ........even to their kings, and to the sons of Isra’el as well.

That has nothing to do with what God is doing with the Jews other than the fact that Paul was a Jew and God dealt with him as he wished.

God has been dealing with Jews for a long time and still is.How he sees fit.The Holocaust comes to mind with a recent way God dealt with a lot of Jews.

If you think God had nothing to do with the Holocaust ,you need to start reading your bible again,and start from the beginning.

 

[Behold]

That has nothing to do with what God is doing with the Jews

The OT< is God specifically dealing with the Jew...

The NT is God specifically dealing with the Body of Christ, once the CROSS has been Raised that birthed the Church.
One that event happened, then God began to deal specifically with the Gentiles., and this is the 'TIME of the Gentiles".
And of course Jews can become Christians, in the "time of the Gentiles". (Messianic Jews).

Jesus only Chose ONE Apostle to be the "Apostle to the gentiles" and that is "Paul".

Once the "time of the Gentiles" ends, which begins the TRIBULATION< then God is once again dealing primarily with the Jew.

 

[tailgator]

The OT< is God specifically dealing with the Jew...

The NT is God specifically dealing with the Body of Christ, once the CROSS has been Raised that birthed the Church.
One that event happened, then God began to deal specifically with the Gentiles., and this is the 'TIME of the Gentiles".
And of course Jews can become Christians, in the "time of the Gentiles". (Messianic Jews).

Jesus only Chose ONE Apostle to be the "Apostle to the gentiles" and that is "Paul".

Once the "time of the Gentiles" ends, which begins the TRIBULATION< then God is once again dealing primarily with the Jew.

It's your lie so you tell it.

Paul was not present for this sermon telling the other apostles to go all over the world.

Mark 16
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.


Now if you read the OT,then you would be able to comprehend the Holocaust was God dealing with Jews.Or you can continue to ignore the OT and be ignorant of the things in it.

 

[Behold]

It's your lie so you tell it.

Paul was not present for this sermon telling the other apostles to go all over the world.

Mark 16

Thats true.

But later, After Jesus was back in HEAVEN.............He chose Paul.

You dont read a bible, and your cult is not teaching you anything about it.. so., let me help you.


When Jesus was BACK IN HEAVEN.... this is AFTER MARK 16..... = Jesus FROM HEAVEN.. .chose Paul to become the "Apostle to the Gentiles".

 

[tailgator]

The OT< is God specifically dealing with the Jew...

The NT is God specifically dealing with the Body of Christ, once the CROSS has been Raised that birthed the Church.
One that event happened, then God began to deal specifically with the Gentiles., and this is the 'TIME of the Gentiles".
And of course Jews can become Christians, in the "time of the Gentiles". (Messianic Jews).

Jesus only Chose ONE Apostle to be the "Apostle to the gentiles" and that is "Paul".

Once the "time of the Gentiles" ends, which begins the TRIBULATION< then God is once again dealing primarily with the Jew.

PS

The gentiles will be treading the holy city under foot during the tribulation.They shall tread it under foot for 42 months.

Revelation 11
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

 

[Behold]

The gentiles will be treading the holy city under foot during the tribulation.They shall tread it under foot for 42 months.

Sure., and those are not Christians, they are unbelievers who are going to face this.., because of their UNBELIEF

= 2 Thess 1:8-9

And the anti-christ will be there, and the 144,000 Jews..and much more.

 

[tailgator]

Thats true.

But later, After Jesus was back in HEAVEN.............He chose Paul.

You dont read a bible, and your cult is not teaching you anything about it.. so., let me help you.


When Jesus was BACK IN HEAVEN.... this is AFTER MARK 16..... = Jesus FROM HEAVEN.. .chose Paul to become the "Apostle to the Gentiles".

I don't need to read much of the Bible because I've memorized that much.

Now let me show you something.
Long after all the apostles are dead and buried,Mathews testimony reached me in 1998.

The testimony of Mathew came to America and preached the gospel to me ,and after believing the gospel according to Mathew,I was Baptised in the holy Ghost just as Jesus said in Mark 16.

Paul testimony came later after I had already been Baptised by God.

 

[Cassandra]

The testimony of Mathew came to America and preached the gospel to me ,and after believing the gospel according to Mathew,I was Baptised in the holy Ghost just as Jesus said in Mark 16.

Paul testimony came later after I had already been Baptised by God.

Can you elaborate? I'm intrigued.

 

[tailgator]

Can you elaborate? I'm intrigued.

At a bad time in my life when I needed help,I decided to try to learn how to pray.I believed in Jesus as a child but had never learned much.I picked up a bible in my 30s that was given to me as a child.It was like new having hardly ever been opened.The first thing I wanted to know was how to pray so I looked in the index and found a couple of passages to read.After turning to Mathew 6,I learned how to pray.And reading Mathew account of the gospel started my journey to find God.
After about two weeks of searching,I was praying ,and after forgiving everyone who had ever done wrong to me and confessing Jesus had died for me,I received the holy Ghost.It was Aug 31 1998,On a Monday about midday.I remember a had fasted the day before.
From reading a book from the privacy of my own house.I witnessed this nearly 2000 years after it was spoken.

Mark 16
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

 

[tailgator]

Can you elaborate? I'm intrigued.

PS
The practically new bible I had started with is falling apart.The glue I've tried to hold it together with has failed .The cover is cracked and falling apart and the pages will fall out as they have many times if it's not carefully opened. :)

 

[Davy]

Revelation 14:1
Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.


I think I was reading about these guys earlier today in Ezekiel 9.

Might want to go back and discover who the 144,000 of Rev.7 are.

Rev 7:1-4
7 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
KJV


So vain attempts to re-write The Bible just ain't gonna' work. Those 144,000 represent Christ's VERY ELECT of the seed of Israelite believers in His Church. And ONLY one third of those 12 tribes represent believing Jews. The rest represent scattered Israelites of the ten lost tribes which were scattered among the Gentiles, and received The Gospel along with them, which is a Bible topic very few Christian Churches teach today.

 

[Davy]

Paul is the = "apostle to the gentiles", in the = "time of the Gentiles".

This "time" started with the Cross that birthed the "Church", and most of the "church" is GENTILES, not Jews.

Jesus chose Paul for this (main)(gentile,Goyim) = ministry..

You need to READ your Bible, instead of just letting your preachers tell you what it says...

What Lord Jesus appointed for Paul's ministry...

Acts 9:15
15 But the Lord said unto him, "Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto Me, to bear My name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
KJV

What? Jesus chose Paul to be His Apostle not only to the Gentiles, but ALSO to "kings, and the children of Israel"?

Did your preacher forget... to show you that latter part of what Lord Jesus said above??

Have you not understood your Bible of how God scattered the MAJORITY of the tribes of Israel among the Gentiles, as the ten northern tribes of Israel went captive to the lands of Assyria, and then were further scattered WEST around the Black Seal and the Caucasus Mountains, having been the Cimmerian and Scythian peoples that migrated into Asia Minor and Europe to found the western Christian nations?? Does your preacher even know about that, or care about that history? God even proclaimed it, hinting at it in the Book of Hosea, which Apostle Paul quoted to Gentile Roman believers in Romans 9.

I'd say you've never read the following prophecy about the tribe of Ephraim either...

Gen 48:19-20
19 And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.
20 And he blessed them that day, saying, "In thee shall Israel bless, saying, 'God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh: and he set Ephraim before Manasseh.'"
KJV

 

[tailgator]

Might want to go back and discover who the 144,000 of Rev.7 are.

Rev 7:1-4
7 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
KJV


So vain attempts to re-write The Bible just ain't gonna' work. Those 144,000 represent Christ's VERY ELECT of the seed of Israelite believers in His Church. And ONLY one third of those 12 tribes represent believing Jews. The rest represent scattered Israelites of the ten lost tribes which were scattered among the Gentiles, and received The Gospel along with them, which is a Bible topic very few Christian Churches teach today.

I never said the 144000 were not Israelis.

You might want to go back and read what I said.


Nevermind.,your garbage isn't worth taking space in my screen.Your being ignored from.now on.

 

[Davy]

That explains why apostate Israel worships the beast.Going for so long without their own kingdom and government caused it.Im sure they are proud of what they have made for themselves to worship.

If they had only excepted the king God appointed to Israel ,Christ.
But now they have what they wanted after rejecting Christ.Benjamin netanyahu.

All according to God's Plan, which He revealed in His Word. All one need do is study it.

God blinded the majority of the Jews so The Gospel would go to the Gentiles (Romans 11). So how is it the ignorant and undisciplined try to throw blame upon deceived Jews which God Himself blinded away from The Gospel? Well God's Word also shows they will not remain blinded as Paul said God will take away their sin (Romans 11 again).

To be guilty, one must be in a state of accountability. Even Apostle Paul said his sin with persecuting the Church prior to his conversion was not accountable because he did it in ignorance (1 Timothy 1:12-14).

 

[Davy]

Jeremiah 51:11
Sharpen the arrows, take up the shields! The LORD has stirred up the kings of the Medes, because his purpose is to destroy Babylon. The LORD will take vengeance, vengeance for his temple.


You claim Babylon was destroyed when it wasn't.
Ancient Babylon was not destroyed by the Medes.
It was abandoned in about 1000 ad.Jerimiah 51 is about mystery Babylon which will actually be destroyed.Not a run down city where all its citizens slowly moved away.


Check your history books and be careful to not report false history

You must be reading man's false REVISIONIST HISTORY, because ancient city of Babylon was destroyed by the Medes, which then their control of it was later conquered by Alexander the Great. Sadam Hussein tried to rebuild it, but that failed too. Thus for today the ancient city of Babylon is still a waste, and serves as a model for when God says He will do something, it will come to pass. Thus the ancient city of Babylon only serves as a historic model for the future destruction of the Revelation Babylon Harlot CITY, which is about JERUSALEM on the day of Christ's return on the "day of the Lord".

 

[Davy]

This tribulation does not take place in the US and China.These Christians are imprisoned and killed in Israel at the hands of apostate Jews.Apostate Jews who are currently governing Israel.


144,000 is 2 percent of Israel's population.
About the same percentage of christians in Israel today.

That idea that the coming "great tribulation" won't happen outside the land of Israel in the middle east is from men's false traditions too.

Rev 13:4-9
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, and His tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
KJV

 

[BlessedPeace]

Iran has no intention of attacking Italy.
It wants to destroy the prostitute, apostate Israel.

Chants of ‘Death to Israel’ as masses throng Raisi funeral procession in Tehran

Khamenei leads prayers over coffins of president and seven others killed in helicopter crash; funeral attended by top Hamas, Hezbollah officials

www.timesofisrael.com

Chants of ‘Death to Israel’ as masses throng Raisi funeral procession in Tehran​

Jeremiah 51:11
Sharpen the arrows, take up the shields! The LORD has stirred up the kings of the Medes, because his purpose is to destroy Babylon. The LORD will take vengeance, vengeance for his temple.

• Babylonian captivity = Jews
• Ancient Sumer ( Mesopotamia,Iraq today)
• Jews were originally polytheists