Apostate Israel is Babylon- common sense.

[tailgator]

So many people ignore the word of God concerning the attack on Babylon.False teachers leading others who do not study ,to believe Iran wants to destroy Italy.Its not Italy which Iran wants to destroy,it's Israel.

Scripture shows that Babylon is attacked on the day of the Lord,the houses will be ransacked and the women raped.




Isaiah 13
9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.


Isaiah 13
16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.

17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.



Scripture also shows all those nations which attack Babylon ransacking the houses and raping the women come against Jerusalem on the day of the Lord ransacking the houses and raping the women.


Zech 14
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.




How do these false teachers explain all the nations being in Jerusalem ransacking the houses and raping the women when they preach they will be in Italy ransacking the houses and raping the women on the day of the Lord?


Common sense.
Iran does not want , nor will it attack Italy.It attacks Israel on the day of the Lord.


Isaiah 13
17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.


Medes were an Iranian people who lived where Tehran is today.On the day of the Lord ,the Medes attack Babylon.They are not going to be anywhere around Italy.

 

[tailgator]

Iran has no intention of attacking Italy.
It wants to destroy the prostitute, apostate Israel.

Chants of ‘Death to Israel’ as masses throng Raisi funeral procession in Tehran

Khamenei leads prayers over coffins of president and seven others killed in helicopter crash; funeral attended by top Hamas, Hezbollah officials

www.timesofisrael.com

Chants of ‘Death to Israel’ as masses throng Raisi funeral procession in Tehran​

Jeremiah 51:11
Sharpen the arrows, take up the shields! The LORD has stirred up the kings of the Medes, because his purpose is to destroy Babylon. The LORD will take vengeance, vengeance for his temple.

 

[Behold]

 

[tailgator]

That explains why apostate Israel worships the beast.Going for so long without their own kingdom and government caused it.Im sure they are proud of what they have made for themselves to worship.

If they had only excepted the king God appointed to Israel ,Christ.
But now they have what they wanted after rejecting Christ.Benjamin netanyahu.

 

[Behold]

If they had only excepted the king God appointed to Israel ,Christ.

Currently God is specifically dealing with the Gentiles, and not the Jew. (*Time of the Gentiles"..) Paul is the "Apostle to the Gentiles".

Soon, the Trib starts, and God resumes His specific dealing with the Jew.

See the (144,000) for the update.

 

[tailgator]

Currently God is specifically dealing with the Gentiles, and not the Jew. (*Time of the Gentiles"..) Paul is the "Apostle to the Gentiles".

Soon, the Trib starts, and God resumes His specific dealing with the Jew.

See the (144,000) for the update.

The tribulation is the persecution of the christians in Israel by apostate Israel.

Daniel 11:33:35
“Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.
During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere.
And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.



This tribulation does not take place in the US and China.These Christians are imprisoned and killed in Israel at the hands of apostate Jews.Apostate Jews who are currently governing Israel.


144,000 is 2 percent of Israel's population.
About the same percentage of christians in Israel today.

 

[tailgator]

Currently God is specifically dealing with the Gentiles, and not the Jew. (*Time of the Gentiles"..) Paul is the "Apostle to the Gentiles".

Soon, the Trib starts, and God resumes His specific dealing with the Jew.

See the (144,000) for the update.

PS
Currently the king of Babylon is smiting palestinia and felling cedars in Lebanon.Read todays news.



Isaiah 14
29 Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.

30 And the firstborn of the poor shall feed, and the needy shall lie down in safety: and I will kill thy root with famine, and he shall slay thy remnant.

31 Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times.

32 What shall one then answer the messengers of the nation? That the Lord hath founded Zion, and the poor of his people shall trust in it.

 

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Mathew 10
23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.


While Jesus's disciples are being persecuted from city to city in Israel.Rome Italy will not be persecuting Jesus disciples .While Jesus's disciples are being beaten the synagogues of Israel,Italy's Christians will be at peace.

 

[tailgator]

Hezbollah fires over 200 rockets into Israel after killing of senior commander

The Lebanese Hezbollah group says it's launched over 200 rockets at several military bases in Israel in retaliation for a strike that killed one of its senior commanders.

apnews.com

Hezbollah fires over 200 rockets into Israel after killing of senior commander​

Isaiah 14
7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.




Hezbollah and Lebanon is going to rejoice when the king of Babylon falls because the king of Babylon smites them.This has absolutely nothing to do with Italy.Its all about Benjamin netanyahu attacking Hezbollah.

Rome Italy does not smite palestinia or Lebanon.
Babylon is everyday.

Use common sense, Italy has nothing to do with any of this.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Iran has no intention of attacking Italy.
It wants to destroy the prostitute, apostate Israel.

In my view, "Mystery Babylon" is a hidden way of saying the Roman Empire is a Prostitute. Jesus would not have John saying this out loud while he was a Roman prisoner.

Jeremiah 51:11
Sharpen the arrows, take up the shields! The LORD has stirred up the kings of the Medes, because his purpose is to destroy Babylon. The LORD will take vengeance, vengeance for his temple.

This is a prophecy of ancient Babylon, already fulfilled in history.

 

[tailgator]

In my view, "Mystery Babylon" is a hidden way of saying the Roman Empire is a Prostitute. Jesus would not have John saying this out loud while he was a Roman prisoner.

This is a prophecy of ancient Babylon, already fulfilled in history.

Jeremiah 51:11
Sharpen the arrows, take up the shields! The LORD has stirred up the kings of the Medes, because his purpose is to destroy Babylon. The LORD will take vengeance, vengeance for his temple.


You claim Babylon was destroyed when it wasn't.
Ancient Babylon was not destroyed by the Medes.
It was abandoned in about 1000 ad.Jerimiah 51 is about mystery Babylon which will actually be destroyed.Not a run down city where all its citizens slowly moved away.


Check your history books and be careful to not report false history

 

[Randy Kluth]

Jeremiah 51:11
Sharpen the arrows, take up the shields! The LORD has stirred up the kings of the Medes, because his purpose is to destroy Babylon. The LORD will take vengeance, vengeance for his temple.


You claim Babylon was destroyed when it wasn't.
Ancient Babylon was not destroyed by the Medes.
It was abandoned in about 1000 ad.Jerimiah 51 is about mystery Babylon which will actually be destroyed.Not a run down city where all its citizens slowly moved away.


Check your history books and be careful to not report false history

No historian would agree with you. And I doubt any notable Bible scholar would interpret Jer 51 as being modern Babylon, literal or metaphorical, either.

I gave you my opinion. I'm not offering "false history." That insult should be reserved for those who intentionally deceive.

 

[tailgator]

No historian would agree with you. And I doubt any notable Bible scholar would interpret Jer 51 as being modern Babylon, literal or metaphorical, either.

I gave you my opinion. I'm not offering "false history." That insult should be reserved for those who intentionally deceive.

Every historian would agree that Ancient Babylon was not destroyed by the Medes.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Every historian would agree that Ancient Babylon was not destroyed by the Medes.

You're using your own personal definition of "destroyed," indicating complete and exhaustive annihilation, as in 100% genocide. Nearly all scholars would agree that Babylon was conquered by the Persians and the Medes, and in that sense were "destroyed" in ancient times. This is also a conventional meaning of the word "destroyed."

When Jesus spoke of the destruction of the temple, he was inferring the kind of destruction that mean "annihilation," ie not one stone remaining upon another. But in many other cases, destruction can be simply a synonym for "serious defeat," or a significant dismantling of the infrastructure as in the case of a country whose defenses are annihilated.

The country is not annihilated in the sense of no country being there anymore. But it is successfully overcome by the removal of its defenses and industry.

Jer 51.3 Do not spare her young men; completely destroy her army.

Isa 51.11 “Sharpen the arrows,
take up the shields!
The Lord has stirred up the kings of the Medes,
because his purpose is to destroy Babylon.

I ask you, did Jeremiah refer to the ancient Kingdom of Media here, or not? If so, then the "destruction" was simply a major military victory in which the Babylonians were conquered and reduced to something less than a kingdom, where it ceased to be of any historical significance apart from its heirs.

 

[tailgator]

You're using your own personal definition of "destroyed," indicating complete and exhaustive annihilation, as in 100% genocide. Nearly all scholars would agree that Babylon was conquered by the Persians and the Medes, and in that sense were "destroyed" in ancient times. This is also a conventional meaning of the word "destroyed."

When Jesus spoke of the destruction of the temple, he was inferring the kind of destruction that mean "annihilation," ie not one stone remaining upon another. But in many other cases, destruction can be simply a synonym for "serious defeat," or a significant dismantling of the infrastructure as in the case of a country whose defenses are annihilated.

The country is not annihilated in the sense of no country being there anymore. But it is successfully overcome by the removal of its defenses and industry.

Jer 51.3 Do not spare her young men; completely destroy her army.

Isa 51.11 “Sharpen the arrows,
take up the shields!
The Lord has stirred up the kings of the Medes,
because his purpose is to destroy Babylon.

I ask you, did Jeremiah refer to the ancient Kingdom of Media here, or not? If so, then the "destruction" was simply a major military victory in which the Babylonians were conquered and reduced to something less than a kingdom, where it ceased to be of any historical significance apart from its heirs.

Ancient Babylon was not destroyed by the Medes.Plain and simple.

Jeremiah 51
28 Prepare against her the nations with the kings of the Medes, the captains thereof, and all the rulers thereof, and all the land of his dominion.

29 And the land shall tremble and sorrow: for every purpose of the Lord shall be performed against Babylon, to make the land of Babylon a desolation without an inhabitant.

 

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When Iran rises up and finally attacks and overcomes Babylon on the day of the Lord as the word of God says.Then maybe you will understand but probably not.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Ancient Babylon was not destroyed by the Medes.Plain and simple.

Jeremiah 51
28 Prepare against her the nations with the kings of the Medes, the captains thereof, and all the rulers thereof, and all the land of his dominion.

29 And the land shall tremble and sorrow: for every purpose of the Lord shall be performed against Babylon, to make the land of Babylon a desolation without an inhabitant.

The determination that Babylon would be reduced to virtually nothing did not suggest that it would take place all at once. But it does suggest that the defeat of Babylon by the Medo-Persians would lead to this, which apparently was fulfilled in the time when Islam took control of the territory.

Again, when Medo-Persia conquered the Babylonian Empire, it ceased to be an independent kingdom, and as such, was reduced to the loss of significance as a distinct imperial entity. That it lost all of its inhabitants, or lost its status as a great city, was obviously realized in the NT era, particularly after the Muslims took control.

You are trying to apply a "futurist" interpretation to an ancient prophecy, which was initially fulfilled in ancient times, even though some aspects of the fulfillment lingered. You're right about this last part, though you're not right to interpret it as a futurist prophecy.

 

[tailgator]

The determination that Babylon would be reduced to virtually nothing did not suggest that it would take place all at once. But it does suggest that the defeat of Babylon by the Medo-Persians would lead to this, which apparently was fulfilled in the time when Islam took control of the territory.

Do you even consider when the day of the Lord is when the heavens shake,?

What makes you think the day of the Lord was in ancient history?

 

[tailgator]

No historian would agree with you. And I doubt any notable Bible scholar would interpret Jer 51 as being modern Babylon, literal or metaphorical, either.

I gave you my opinion. I'm not offering "false history." That insult should be reserved for those who intentionally deceive.

Are all your historians going to agree with you that the day of the Lord is ancient history?

 

[tailgator]

The determination that Babylon would be reduced to virtually nothing did not suggest that it would take place all at once. But it does suggest that the defeat of Babylon by the Medo-Persians would lead to this, which apparently was fulfilled in the time when Islam took control of the territory.

Again, when Medo-Persia conquered the Babylonian Empire, it ceased to be an independent kingdom, and as such, was reduced to the loss of significance as a distinct imperial entity. That it lost all of its inhabitants, or lost its status as a great city, was obviously realized in the NT era, particularly after the Muslims took control.

You are trying to apply a "futurist" interpretation to an ancient prophecy, which was initially fulfilled in ancient times, even though some aspects of the fulfillment lingered. You're right about this last part, though you're not right to interpret it as a futurist prophecy.

And you believe God destroyed all the sinners out of the land when the Medes overthrew ancient Babylon.


9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.