Video: Preacher Deception Faith Alone No Works?

[GodsGrace]

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

It is yo uwho is not understanding what God is teaching through Paul.

The ten commandments , while glorious, minister death. They were never given to save a soul, but as a school master to Israel until the time of faith came in. As Paul said in Galatians, now that faith is here we are no longer under a schoolmaster (the law)

Why did Israel need a schoolmaster?

And why till the time of faith came in?
Weren't even those in the OT saved by faith??

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Why did Israel need a schoolmaster?

And why till the time of faith came in?
Weren't even those in the OT saved by faith??

Well God said it was "nunya". Meaning none of our business. He said it, it is true so we must simply accept these truths as truth!

Yes OT saints were saved by faith. but not through the name of Jesus which was unrevealed nor was the death and resurrection fully explained ithe old.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The Second Council of Orange (529 A.D.), dogmatically taught in its Canon 7:


also cites 2 Cor. 3:5 Not that we are competent of ourselves to claim anything as coming from us; our competence is from God,


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Likewise, the ecumenical Council of Trent (1545-63): Chapter 5, Decree on Justification:



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Why can’t we just read the word. Why would we want to know what dead men thought? Are we unable to think and see in our own?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Why did Israel need a schoolmaster?

And why till the time of faith came in?
Weren't even those in the OT saved by faith??

So that when their messiah came they would be ready.

They were not ready and crucified their messiah because they misrepresented and could
Not understand the law

Or as Paul called it the ministration of death

And yea even the OT saints were saved by faith not works. David understood. Sacrifice and burnt offering you did not desire

 

[GodsGrace]

Well God said it was "nunya". Meaning none of our business. He said it, it is true so we must simply accept these truths as truth!

So if it was none of our business....
how come you know that the commandments were a schoolmaster??

Yes OT saints were saved by faith. but not through the name of Jesus which was unrevealed nor was the death and resurrection fully explained ithe old.

Don't you know that for God there is no time?
Jesus died and resurrected 2,000 years ago, but His death is timeless....
it is valid from the beginning to the end of time....
it's HIS death that saved everyone, everywhere from the beginning of time.

Have you read Isaiah 53? I think you have.

Sounds like you're saying that the death of Jesus is only valid for those that came AFTER Him.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

So if it was none of our business....
how come you know that the commandments were a schoolmaster??


Don't you know that for God there is no time?
Jesus died and resurrected 2,000 years ago, but His death is timeless....
it is valid from the beginning to the end of time....
it's HIS death that saved everyone, everywhere from the beginning of time.

Have you read Isaiah 53? I think you have.

Sounds like you're saying that the death of Jesus is only valid for those that came AFTER Him.

I know because it is written. It is thw why that God did not tell us.

Yes all are saved because the blood of Jesus and His physical resurrection.

But not all are part of the church/bride of Christ/Body of Christ. That is limited to those saved from Pentecost when the church was born untill the rapture when teh church ends.

 

[GodsGrace]

I know because it is written. It is thw why that God did not tell us.

Yes all are saved because the blood of Jesus and His physical resurrection.

But not all are part of the church/bride of Christ/Body of Christ. That is limited to those saved from Pentecost when the church was born untill the rapture when teh church ends.

I see.
So what does this mean?


Ephesians 2:14-22
14For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall,
15by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace,
16and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity.
17AND HE CAME AND PREACHED PEACE TO YOU WHO WERE FAR AWAY, AND PEACE TO THOSE WHO WERE NEAR;
18for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father.
19So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household,
20having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone,
21in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord,
22in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.

Above Paul is speaking about how Jesus came to break down barriers.

But, you're saying that there are two types of Christians?
One that will be at the Wedding Banquet and one that will not?

What verses support this?

 

[MA2444]

That was an awesome video. He sure did have his ducks in a row. He started with scripture and stayed without scripture all the way through it! The only thing I think he missed that could be added is, when one does obey the Lord and walk in love doing good deeds to whomever needs one, what do tink happens in the spiritual realm?

The scripture tells us that too. It says, the righteousness of the sains are their fine linen. Our spiritual clothes...lest we be found naked and ashamed.

In other words, you arent going to be the good kid and not be blessed for it! IIRC it also says that obedience to the Lord is rewarded both in this life and in the life to come. Right?

I thought about that and if faith works through love then it's not a matter if we can afford to do more for the poor & needy, but can we afford not to?!

All the way up to...sell all that ye have and give to the poor, then thou wilt have treasure in heaven...

 

[MA2444]

But Scripture does show it is by faith alone apart from anything else.

What you are doing is not arguing against Scriptural truth, but what some have done to abuse Scripture.

James 2:14-20
14 What good is it, dear brothers and sisters, if you say you have faith but don’t show it by your actions? Can that kind of faith save anyone? 15 Suppose you see a brother or sister who has no food or clothing, 16 and you say, “Good-bye and have a good day; stay warm and eat well”—but then you don’t give that person any food or clothing. What good does that do?

17 So you see, faith by itself isn’t enough. Unless it produces good deeds, it is dead and useless.

18 Now someone may argue, “Some people have faith; others have good deeds.” But I say, “How can you show me your faith if you don’t have good deeds? I will show you my faith by my good deeds.”

19 You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God.[f] Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. 20 How foolish! Can’t you see that faith without good deeds is useless?.../NLT

Not having good deeds is like having a fruit tree that doesnt bear fruit. What good is it?

 

[Wynona]

The scripture tells us that too. It says, the righteousness of the sains are their fine linen. Our spiritual clothes...lest we be found naked and ashamed.

In other words, you arent going to be the good kid and not be blessed for it! IIRC it also says that obedience to the Lord is rewarded both in this life and in the life to come. Right?

I thought about that and if faith works through love then it's not a matter if we can afford to do more for the poor & needy, but can we afford not to?!

All the way up to...sell all that ye have and give to the poor, then thou wilt have treasure in heaven...

I agree and can testify of God's goodness. The fear of the Lord improves my life now and in the life to come. Absolutely.

And I like how you asked, can we afford not to do for the poor and needy. I like that attitude and zeal. Its refreshing and I'm here for it. Thanks for watching the video!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

James 2:14-20
14 What good is it, dear brothers and sisters, if you say you have faith but don’t show it by your actions? Can that kind of faith save anyone? 15 Suppose you see a brother or sister who has no food or clothing, 16 and you say, “Good-bye and have a good day; stay warm and eat well”—but then you don’t give that person any food or clothing. What good does that do?

17 So you see, faith by itself isn’t enough. Unless it produces good deeds, it is dead and useless.

18 Now someone may argue, “Some people have faith; others have good deeds.” But I say, “How can you show me your faith if you don’t have good deeds? I will show you my faith by my good deeds.”

19 You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God.[f] Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. 20 How foolish! Can’t you see that faith without good deeds is useless?.../NLT

Not having good deeds is like having a fruit tree that doesnt bear fruit. What good is it?

And that is why I have often repeated that saving faith produces good works

 

[MA2444]

And that is why I have often repeated that saving faith produces good works

When I learned that I thought, wow, all those years that I didnt even pay tithes, but I sure do now, and an offering. Every month. I was self employed for 22 years and had a good HVAC Contractor company and I sure went through a lot of money. I thought I built something good and was quite proud of myself, lol. But after I thought about it, it wasnt even me, it was the Lord, it was the Lord. He gave me the talent to fix things. He gave me the skills and expertise that I needed and all the tools because He also provided me with all of the oppurtunity that I needed to draw in customers. So I didnt really do much at all, lol. I may not have been paying tithes but the little old lady who called and I go in and she's still watching a B&W TV...she did not pay full price!

I can look back upon my years in retrospect and can see the Lord's hand in everything I did! Glory to God for helping me! (and I thought I was a good businessman, lol!)

One of my last jobs that I did on the side for cash after my disability was approved, I had the heart that I wanted to do them a real good turn fixing their furnace, but I had to go get the part they needed and I thought about doing it for free and thought, nah, it'd be nice to make a few bucks on it, they'll still be saving hundreds over the cost of a company. And as I was driving back with their part to install it and wondering how much I should charge them so I asked the Lord real quick how much should I charge this guy?
And the Lord answered me instantly and said dont charge them anything, didnt you give your life to Me? SO I said, Yes Lord. And he says well that's my business then. you just obey Me, ok?

That's what I love about the LordHe always says just the right thing in just the right way to make all sorts of sense to me. I dont always like what He says, but it always makes sense!