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With respect, I disagree. Jesus wanted us to do greater things than He, since He went to the Father. In 1 John, it says that those who say they know Him must wak as He walked.
I don't think sin works that way either. Repentance is only repentance if we're sorry and determined not to do the same thing again.
You can not call something a heresy when you yourself teach it.
lol. The truth will stand, the truth is not a church, it is the truth
Chronic lies
So you think you can be good enough to get to heaven by your own righteousness?
yes.
I think (to be honest) the first time we sinned, We fell short of that standard, Amd from this point on, every sin we commit just takes us further and further from this standard,
Yes, But feeling sorrow for that sin will not pay for that sin The wage of that sin is still death, it must be paid.
I've proven just the opposite, your "proof" is childish insults.
My Bible says "but if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou ought to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth." 1 Timothy 3:15. What does your Bible say?
I exposed your chronic lies more than once, and you just reply with baseless childish insults.
Oh, you mean the dozens of scripture you ignored?
No
Well the church of God would teach his truth.
Dude you need to back up and take your pride with you. You have not exposed anything other than you are a proud person who believes his church can do no wrong
Which ones?
lol. You have not proven anything
It saddens me that you consider my posts promoting this. I never said this.
Actually I know you did not. I was trying to show you the context of how I was using th Barr
Actually it is grace (the work of god) plus nothing that saves us
Ok this makes sense. Although I will still disagree. God knew me before I was born he knew I would believe and he would know if I would turn and give him the finger
Not sure what you mean
Yes
Yes amen
So you're saying that if a believer chooses not to abide, than they were never saved to begin with?
I am saying that no one who truly experienced the love of God. Who truly understood the depth of their sin and that their eternity would be away from God if they were not saved, and truly understood the meaning of the cross would never repent back to a state of unbelief.
Im confused by this.
Thank you for the large font. I continue to have trouble with my eyes in spite of the cataract surgeries a few months ago. But... Praise God, I can still see well enough to read and participate here although much less than in the past.Thank you, Amadeus.
First, though: some preliminary observations. As usual, McCarthy (along with many other Calvinist anti-Catholics) is unwilling or unable to understand the relationship of human free will to God’s grace. We believe we can cooperate with God’s grace in order to “merit.” Yet that very merit is itself completely an act of God’s grace. Here is some more relevant information to consider:
The Second Council of Orange (529 A.D.), dogmatically taught in its Canon 7:
Likewise, the ecumenical Council of Trent (1545-63): Chapter 5, Decree on Justification:
Canon I on Justification:
The existence of a measure of human free will in order for man to cooperate with God’s grace does not reduce inevitably and necessarily to Semi-Pelagianism, as Luther, Calvin, and present-day Calvinists wrongly charge. The Catholic view is a third way. Our “meritorious actions” are always necessarily preceded and caused and crowned and bathed in God’s enabling grace. But this doesn’t wipe out our cooperation, which is not intrinsically meritorious in the sense that it derives from us and not God . . . Second Orange again:
Catholic theologian Ludwig Ott describes the Catholic view:
St. Augustine wrote:
The concept of merit and its corollary reward is well-supported in Scripture (Mt 5:12; 19:17, 21, 29; 25:21; 25:34 ff.; Lk 6:38; Rom 2:6; 1 Cor 3:8; 9:17; Col 3:24; Heb 6:10; 10:35; 11:6; 2 Tim 4:8; Eph 6:8).
. . . . The Catholic Church was right in maintaining against Luther, at the Council of Trent, that heaven is merited by our good works, because this is the clear teaching of revelation. “We have shown that according to Holy Scripture the Christian can actually merit heaven for himself by his good works. But we must realize that these works have to be performed in the state of grace and with a good intention . . .
Jesus himself tells his disciples: ‘I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in me (by the state of grace), and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit (for heaven). If a man does not abide in me (by mortal sin) . . . he can do nothing’ – he can bear no fruit for heaven; just as the branch that is cut off from the vine cannot produce any grapes.
By sanctifying grace we are children of God. Only by sanctifying grace do we have a right to heaven as our heritage. By purely natural good acts, such as even the sinner can perform, heaven cannot be merited as a reward; we must be in the state of grace, a child of God. Only after human nature has been united to God by grace and raised up above it’s own nature can good acts, which proceed from this supernaturally elevated nature, be directed towards the possession of God in the hereafter. Only in this way can we merit the vision of God in heaven, since it completely surpasses the powers of our pure human nature.
By sanctifying grace we become living members of the mystical body of Christ, one with Christ our Head. Thus our acts become acts of Christ, who, in an incomprehensible way, is living and working in his members. Through this intimate union with Christ, our Mediator before the Father, we merit the happiness of heaven.
Finally, sanctifying grace makes us temples of the Holy Spirit, who compels us to good works (Rom 8:14). St. Francis de Sales writes that the Holy Spirit performs good works in us with such consummate skill that the works belong more to him than to us. He works with us and we work with him. In this activity we use our free will. By our free will we submit all our human activity to the grace and will of God. By this act of reverence and worship, our good acts redound to the glory of God. Our will could also take a stand against God’s will, and commit sin.
By isolating sentences (the classic and quintessential anti-Catholic methodology) which emphasize man’s cooperation and effort, it appears that McCarthy had hoped to leave a false impression that we believe we can get to heaven on our own power, pulling ourselves up by our own bootstraps, without God’s enabling grace. But this is the heresy of Pelagianism, which both Catholic dogma and Premm (even in immediate context) clearly condemn.
This is, therefore, apparently deliberate misrepresentation on McCarthy’s part, and that is a serious sin — a violation of the Ten Commandments and even basic pagan and secular ethical precepts. Whatever McCarthy or other anti-Catholics think of our theology, their own Christian tradition (as well as Jesus Himself) condemn them for slander and lying, whether we are Christian “brothers” or not, in their thinking. As we indeed are their brothers in Christ, their sin is all the greater. McCarthy’s polemical anti-Catholic video has also been clearly shown by Catholic apologetics magazine This Rock to be slanderous and grossly inaccurate. Let us hope and pray that he will repent, for his sake, and for the sake of the thousands he is leading astray.
Catholic Merit Vs. Distorted Caricatures (James McCarthy)
Anti-Catholic polemicist James McCarthy bears false witness, in distorting & caricaturing the true Catholic doctrine of merit by taking isolated Catholic statements out of context.www.patheos.com
What's really sad is Mccarthy has been around Catholic apologists for years, he knows better, but lies anyway.
I know amadeus prefers large font.
The only "work" the CC believes in is Baptism.
Providing no verse gives you a yawn?
I see a lot of people think this. But scripture can not contradict itself
It says they had knowledge. Knowledge does
This makes sense. I Am thankful We are discussing not attacking. Praise god
I agree 100%
or maybe both Calvin and arminian got it wrong. I think this is another issue. Everyone tried to make it one or the other
Oh I agree I reject all of their thinking concerning salvation
No once again you misrepresent me
Works of the law or whatever if you do it to be saved it’s self righteousness
If done to be saved yes and they will not save you or keep you saved
Well you are lacking in knowledge. Cc believes in a lot of works. But thank you
On this verse alone? No where!
Well then Ronald....
also cites 2 Cor. 3:5 Not that we are competent of ourselves to claim anything as coming from us; our competence is from God,
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
