The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

[rebuilder 454]

And who is disagreeing? Do you know what "intra-Advent" means?

There are several advents.
What are you getting at?

 

[rebuilder 454]

Well it looks like the guy that accuses me of avoiding and hiding from his post cannot answer or break down the 50/50 of Matthew 24 and 25. Is this avoiding? Is this some kind of avoidance?

 

[Randy Kluth]

There doesnt seem to be one single verse that says there shall be a pretrib rapture.

This should be of great concern for you--to add things to Scriptures that aren't really there is dangerous.

That doesnt mean it is not so. It simply means that it is something that is semi-concealed and that we must like Bereans, dig for it and put it together through the help of the HS.

Sure, there are things in the New Testament that were somewhat cloaked in the Old Testament. However, there is no indication of a Pretrib Rapture in the NT that had been cloaked in the OT. We have Jesus revealed in the NT who wasn't fully understood as Messiah in the OT, but if he had not been revealed as Jesus in the NT should we believe in him? No, we only believe Jesus is the Messiah because he was *revealed* as such in the NT Scriptures.

As I've been saying, we *must* get our doctrine from clear-cut statements of doctrine stated in the NT Scriptures. The Holy Spirit would not keep people guessing about what the truth is on any subject if it is as important as a doctrinal matter. Secret revelations can be interpreted by false spirits posing as the Holy Spirit. That's how the cults regularly operate. Scripture was given to protect us from those who say, "Believe me, I'm giving you the truth." You should be able to read it for yourself.

 

[WPM]

Who are the 50 % virgins left behind???
Believers???
Heathen?????

Watch my lips: they are unbelievers! Hello! Whether they are religious unbelievers, false professors within the visible church, or out and out heathen, is secondary. They simply do not belong to Jesus. They are lost. They miss the boat! Their day of opportunity is gone. All they have now is destruction. They are damned and doomed to a lost eternity.

In this parable, Jesus rejects the unprepared virgins. Pretrib theology does not have Jesus finally shutting the door (as He taught), but, rather, leaving it ajar. This gives the foolish virgins a second chance to make it, despite them being unprepared and despite them having rejected numerous opportunities before He comes they miss the boat.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The Holy Ghost is not in lamps. That is ridiculous! The Holy Spirit is in hearts. You're not remotely getting the meaning of this parable. Your teachers have taught you wrong. You're forcing your theology into it because you have nothing to support your theories. Where is your seven year tribulation after this event? Nowhere! You have to force it into the sacred text! This is how desperate you are getting! You obviously have nothing.

The parable of the 10 virgins has nothing to do with 50% being saved and 50% not within the Church. It has nothing to do with 50% or professors being genuine and 50% not. It has equally nothing to do with the percentage of society that will know Christ when He comes. The 50/50 breakdown is an earthly illustration relating to preparedness; some were wise and prepared others were foolish and were caught on. This is what will happen when Jesus comes. Remember, the broad road holds the vast bulk of mankind. There are few on the narrow road. This truth is played out throughout Scripture.

QUOTE
"""It has equally nothing to do with the percentage of society that will know Christ when He comes. The 50/50 breakdown is an earthly illustration relating to preparedness; some were wise and prepared others were foolish and were caught on. This is what will happen when Jesus comes. Remember, the broad road holds the vast bulk of mankind. There are few on the narrow road. This truth is played out throughout Scripture"""

you just implied half the world will be ready, then you said the bulk of mankind....
Huh?????
That 50% deal is way out of any postribber workbook.
To be honest. They can not answer it.
They literally CAN NOT.

 

[WPM]

Ahhhh
Can't answer about the 50% taken can you?

More avoidance. This is the Pretrib MO.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Watch my lips: they are unbelievers! Hello! Whether they are religious unbelievers, false professors within the visible church, or out and out heathen, is secondary. They simply do not belong to Jesus. They are lost. They miss the boat! Their day of opportunity is gone. All they have now is destruction. They are damned and doomed to a lost eternity.

In this parable, Jesus rejects the unprepared virgins. Pretrib theology does not have Jesus finally shutting the door (as He taught), but, rather, leaving it ajar. This gives the foolish virgins a second chance to make it, despite them being unprepared and despite them having rejected numerous opportunities before He comes they miss the boat.

We see the same scene (and similar language) in Matthew 7:21-23: “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”

How will these religious people handle these sobering words of Christ on that final day of judgement? They were foolish to swallow a religious lie. They sat under preaching that told them that they could get to heaven by their own good works. All their religious efforts were in vain. It was a sham. The foolish virgins are locked outside because they reject Christ; Christ then rejects them at the end. That is why He doesn’t know them. He has no relationship with them. Their religion is vain. It is bogus. They have missed their opportunity, now they must receive the judgment. This is just a parallel of all that were locked outside the ark at the flood. They are going to be banished into outer darkness – for all eternity with the rest of the wicked.

Huh???
You have in your incorrect forced doctrine, unbelievers with the Holy Spirit.
The foolish had oil, oil lamps, light, purity, consecration,sleeping with believers, and waiting for Jesus.

I was a bar hopper pre salvation.
I never,ever saw a heathen unsaved devil worshippers with any of those components, yet your doctrine dictates that unbelievers have the Holy Spirit and the other heavenly components.

 

[rebuilder 454]

More avoidance. This is the Pretrib MO.

You just showed us your inability to define the 50 50.
I meet you and every posrribber head on.
Me and the Bible get it done.
Expose the humongous holes in your doctrine.

 

[WPM]

There are several advents.
What are you getting at?

LOL. It doesn't mean that. Hello! It means the period between the first coming of Christ and the second.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Watch my lips: they are unbelievers! Hello! Whether they are religious unbelievers, false professors within the visible church, or out and out heathen, is secondary. They simply do not belong to Jesus. They are lost. They miss the boat! Their day of opportunity is gone. All they have now is destruction. They are damned and doomed to a lost eternity.

In this parable, Jesus rejects the unprepared virgins. Pretrib theology does not have Jesus finally shutting the door (as He taught), but, rather, leaving it ajar. This gives the foolish virgins a second chance to make it, despite them being unprepared and despite them having rejected numerous opportunities before He comes they miss the boat.

We see the same scene (and similar language) in Matthew 7:21-23: “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”

How will these religious people handle these sobering words of Christ on that final day of judgement? They were foolish to swallow a religious lie. They sat under preaching that told them that they could get to heaven by their own good works. All their religious efforts were in vain. It was a sham. The foolish virgins are locked outside because they reject Christ; Christ then rejects them at the end. That is why He doesn’t know them. He has no relationship with them. Their religion is vain. It is bogus. They have missed their opportunity, now they must receive the judgment. This is just a parallel of all that were locked outside the ark at the flood. They are going to be banished into outer darkness – for all eternity with the rest of the wicked.

QUOTE
"""In this parable, Jesus rejects the unprepared virgins. Pretrib theology does not have Jesus finally shutting the door (as He taught), but, rather, leaving it ajar. This gives the foolish virgins a second chance to make it, despite them being unprepared and despite them having rejected numerous opportunities before He comes they miss the boat."""

The foolish are martyred. It clearly says the AC kills all refusing the mark.
Even the foolish had enough discernment to watch...they left off the "be ready"

 

[The Light]

The word "Church" isn't even mentioned in Revelation 5 by name. Is that not the typical Pretrib reasoning to prove that the Church therefore is not present? Whatever way you look at it, Pretrib is hung on its own gallows.

No. Just you without any understanding.

Rev 1
4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Revelation 5
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

You ought to be able to do the math from here.

How can you spiritualize the 24 Elders and insist on them being “the Church” but rubbish the idea that the Church is called “saints,”

I am not spiritualizing the 24 elders. They are 24 elders and are not the Church.

What they are is 24 elders with crowns. That means Jesus HAS RETURNED.

Revelation 3
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

“them which are saved,” the “redeemed,” the “brethren,” the “chosen (or elect), and faithful,” “servants,” those “in / with white robes,” “kings and priests,” “souls,” “fellowservants,” “woman,” “the temple,” “the dead which die in the Lord,” “them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark,” “he/him that overcometh,” “he that watcheth, and keepeth their garments,” “my people,” “his people,

Talk about butchering Scripture! This is totally ridiculous! This definitely steals the biscuit!

The problem is that we can identify who these saints, brethren, elect etc. are. They are certainly not the current Church. They are of the 12 tribes of Israel. They are singing the song of Moses. They are the seed of the woman, Israel.

The Church is also described in Revelation as those that possess “the faith of Jesus” (Revelation 14:1), and consequently carry “the testimony of Jesus” (Revelation 1:2, 9, 12:17, 19:10), and are “the witness of Jesus” (Revelation 20:4). They exhibit the “patience of Jesus” (Revelation 1:9), and many become the “martyrs of Jesus” (Revelation 17:6). Frankly, if these aren’t Christians, what are they?

Talk about hypocrisy and double-standards!!!

We can identify those in Rev 5 as the Church as they are kings and priests. We can also tell that Jesus has come because there are 24 elders in heaven with crowns.

The seed of the woman, Israel, have had their blindness removed and now understand that Jesus is the Messiah. There are 144,000 first fruits from the 12 tribes that prove this. The first fruits are before the throne and are acceptable by the Father.

 

[rebuilder 454]

LOL. It doesn't mean that. Hello! It means the period between the first coming of Christ and the second.

Ok.
Is this a trivia game?
Now back to the Bible please.

 

[WPM]

You just showed us your inability to define the 50 50.
I meet you and evert posrribber head on.
Me and the Bible get it done.
Expose the humongous holes in your doctrine.

Let me try and help you. We see the same scene (and similar language) in Matthew 7:21-23: “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”

Which “day” is Jesus talking about? His return. There are many people like that in this world. They have religion, but no real relationship. It says here: what they did in life was “in His name,” yet they were locked outside. They ask Jesus: “have we not ... in thy name done many wonderful works?” From this statement we can take it: they expected to be in heaven. However, Jesus will say to them, “I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”

How will these religious people handle these sobering words of Christ on that final day of judgement? They were foolish to swallow a religious lie. They sat under preaching that told them that they could get to heaven by their own good works. All their religious efforts were in vain. It was a sham. The foolish virgins are locked outside because they reject Christ; Christ then rejects them at the end. That is why He doesn’t know them. He has no relationship with them. Their religion is vain. It is bogus. They have missed their opportunity, now they must receive the judgment. This is just a parallel of all that were locked outside the ark at the flood. They are going to be banished into outer darkness – for all eternity with the rest of the wicked.

Those awful words “depart from me, ye that work iniquity” spell eternal damnation for every person left outside of the ark when Jesus comes. People are either ‘caught up’ or ‘caught on’. In fact anytime Jesus employed these words it always referred to His coming and the solemn sentences that damned the ungodly. Jesus said of the goats in Matthew 25:41: “Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.”

The Lord similarly teaches in Luke 13:24-28, “Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

Oh what an awful day that will be, when the wicked find themselves locked outside of God’s ark – the Lord Jesus Christ. Damned without hope or without Christ. This reminds me of the actual day that Noah entered into the ark in Genesis 7:16. It solemnly tells us of Noah and the ark door, “and the LORD shut him in.” What happened to those locked outside. They were totally and immediately destroyed.

The whole unsaved world will see Jesus return when He comes (Rev 1:7) and realize they have missed it. This is where they mourn and cry (or knock as the parable of the 10 virgins put it), but it is too late. Jesus then pours out His wrath on these rebels causing their immediate and total destruction. Jesus tells us that it will be like Noah's day when Jesus locked His elect in and those outside the door who missed the boat were immediately judged. He destroyed them all (Luke 17). It was same in the city of Sodom. He destroyed all the wicked after bringing His elect out (Luke 17).

 

[rebuilder 454]

This should be of great concern for you--to add things to Scriptures that aren't really there is dangerous.

Sure, there are things in the New Testament that were somewhat cloaked in the Old Testament. However, there is no indication of a Pretrib Rapture in the NT that had been cloaked in the OT. We have Jesus revealed in the NT who wasn't fully understood as Messiah in the OT, but if he had not been revealed as Jesus in the NT should we believe in him? No, we only believe Jesus is the Messiah because he was *revealed* as such in the NT Scriptures.

As I've been saying, we *must* get our doctrine from clear-cut statements of doctrine stated in the NT Scriptures. The Holy Spirit would not keep people guessing about what the truth is on any subject if it is as important as a doctrinal matter. Secret revelations can be interpreted by false spirits posing as the Holy Spirit. That's how the cults regularly operate. Scripture was given to protect us from those who say, "Believe me, I'm giving you the truth." You should be able to read it for yourself.

I just take postribbs to the verses.
That ends their deal...every time

 

[rebuilder 454]

Let me try and help you. We see the same scene (and similar language) in Matthew 7:21-23: “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”

Which “day” is Jesus talking about? His return. There are many people like that in this world. They have religion, but no real relationship. It says here: what they did in life was “in His name,” yet they were locked outside. They ask Jesus: “have we not ... in thy name done many wonderful works?” From this statement we can take it: they expected to be in heaven. However, Jesus will say to them, “I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”

How will these religious people handle these sobering words of Christ on that final day of judgement? They were foolish to swallow a religious lie. They sat under preaching that told them that they could get to heaven by their own good works. All their religious efforts were in vain. It was a sham. The foolish virgins are locked outside because they reject Christ; Christ then rejects them at the end. That is why He doesn’t know them. He has no relationship with them. Their religion is vain. It is bogus. They have missed their opportunity, now they must receive the judgment. This is just a parallel of all that were locked outside the ark at the flood. They are going to be banished into outer darkness – for all eternity with the rest of the wicked.

Those awful words “depart from me, ye that work iniquity” spell eternal damnation for every person left outside of the ark when Jesus comes. People are either ‘caught up’ or ‘caught on’. In fact anytime Jesus employed these words it always referred to His coming and the solemn sentences that damned the ungodly. Jesus said of the goats in Matthew 25:41: “Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.”

The Lord similarly teaches in Luke 13:24-28, “Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

Oh what an awful day that will be, when the wicked find themselves locked outside of God’s ark – the Lord Jesus Christ. Damned without hope or without Christ. This reminds me of the actual day that Noah entered into the ark in Genesis 7:16. It solemnly tells us of Noah and the ark door, “and the LORD shut him in.” What happened to those locked outside. They were totally and immediately destroyed.

The whole unsaved world will see Jesus return when He comes (Rev 1:7) and realize they have missed it. This is where they mourn and cry (or knock as the parable of the 10 virgins put it), but it is too late. Jesus then pours out His wrath on these rebels causing their immediate and total destruction. Jesus tells us that it will be like Noah's day when Jesus locked His elect in and those outside the door who missed the boat were immediately judged. He destroyed them all (Luke 17). It was same in the city of Sodom. He destroyed all the wicked after bringing His elect out (Luke 17).

No
The subject you are avoiding Is the 50 50 taken and left behind.
We have already seen your inability to answer.
We don't need a postribber workbook breakdown

 

[WPM]

No. Just you without any understanding.

Rev 1
4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Revelation 5
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

You ought to be able to do the math from here.


I am not spiritualizing the 24 elders. They are 24 elders and are not the Church.

What they are is 24 elders with crowns. That means Jesus HAS RETURNED.

Revelation 3
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

The problem is that we can identify who these saints, brethren, elect etc. are. They are certainly not the current Church. They are of the 12 tribes of Israel. They are singing the song of Moses. They are the seed of the woman, Israel.


We can identify those in Rev 5 as the Church as they are kings and priests. We can also tell that Jesus has come because there are 24 elders in heaven with crowns.

The seed of the woman, Israel, have had their blindness removed and now understand that Jesus is the Messiah. There are 144,000 first fruits from the 12 tribes that prove this. The first fruits are before the throne and are acceptable by the Father.

Where else in the Bible does it say that the Church is 24 elders? Where does it say that it has 24 elders? You seem to be making it up as you go. 2+2 equals 4 not 22. You obviously have nothing to support your teaching.

I will give you 15 solid reason why this reasoning is ridiculous and should be swiftly rejected. I will then explain these points.

(1) The word “Church,” as in the elect redeemed (born again) Church, is not mentioned anywhere in Revelation. There are only references to the local churches (which includes saved and unsaved) in Asia Minor in the last book in the Bible.
(2) The whole book of Revelation was written to local churches in Asia Minor 2,000 years ago for the expressed purpose of encouraging them in their hour of trial.
(3) Words, terms, titles and descriptions that are repeatedly used elsewhere in the New Testament to describe the Church of Jesus Christ are used regularly in Revelation 4 to 19 to describe the true Church of Jesus Christ.
(4) The apostate “churches” and their phony believers miss the rapture and enter this supposed 7 year tribulation, according to Pretrib – but the non-mention of the apostate “churches” must prove they are not on earth either. Where have they gone to?
(5) The word “Church” is not found in Revelation 4 in the Pretrib rapture
(6) The word “Church” is not found in the heavenly passages between Revelation 4 and 19. Using Pretrib logic, then they must not be in heaven either.
(7) The word “Church” is not found in Revelation 19 for the Pretrib 3rd Coming. So, they cannot be part of that supposed event.
(8) The word “Church” not found in Revelation 20 in the millennium. They cannot therefore be part of that period of time.
(9) The word ‘“Church” not found in Revelation 21 in the eternal state. They cannot therefore be part of the eternal state.
(10) The word ‘“Church” not found in many places throughout the New Testament.
(11) The word ‘“Church” is not found in all the popular Pretrib proof texts.
(12) What about the absence of the word “Jew” and “Hebrew” from Revelation 4-19, and the absence of the word “Israel” after Revelation 7.
(13) What about the non-mention of the popular Pretrib term ‘tribulation saints’ in Revelation 4-19?
(14) Whilst “the Church” has been caught up at the coming of Christ, even Pretrib teaches that local churches continue to exist after the rapture! Why are these churches not mentioned?
(15) Does the strange silence of the word “Christian” in Revelation 1-3 not prove Christians are not present or in view?

 

[Randy Kluth]

No postribber has ever unpacked the virgins parable without changing the components of the parable.
Not a single element fits postrib.
None of it.
However it fits a pretrib rapture perfectly.
Half the virgins/ believers taken.
Peacetime setting, normal life,and commerce, as all rapture verses are.
2nd coming has white horses blackening the sky, a warrioir king and no such 50% of believers taken.
So you got the setting wrong, and the virgins component changed, the groom turned into a warrior on a horse. and the white horses erroneously injected into the parable.

Really bizarre what that doctrine does to a simple parable.

I think you're just cheer-leading for your own beliefs. It isn't enough to quote Scriptures--you have to explain what they mean and how what they mean applies to your argument. Saying one portrait of Christ's Coming is different than another portrait of Christ's Coming only says that there are different portraits of his Coming--not that there are several different comings.

Just asserting your position as true doesn't prove anything except to yourself. If that's what you want to believe, have at it.

You are misleading others when you claim nobody here has "unpacked" the 10 Virgins parable. Saying that my interpretation "changes the components of the parable" is simply your sly way of saying that any way I wish to "unpack" the parable is "changing the components of the parable," which you feel contaminates the parable.

Your own version of the 10 Virgins parable would be equally suspect under those conditions! ;) So basically, you're claiming that Postribs have in fact "unpacked" the 10 Virgins parable--just not in a way that agrees with your position.

If you can't debate in a respectable way, without making false claims, then I think we're done here. The 10 Virgins Parable can be interpreted as you see fit. But that doesn't make it a proper interpretation. One has to be willing to understand and explain the "component parts" without being accused of "changing them."

 

[WPM]

No
The subject you are avoiding Is the 50 50 taken and left behind.
We have already seen your inability to answer.
We don't need a postribber workbook breakdown

More avoidance. I am engaging with you not to change you (because you are closed minded), but to show the reader the folly of Pretrib. Your avoidance is making my case so easy. Keep it up!

I have already addressed this point with you about. I'm not going to keep repeating it. The parable of the 10 virgins has nothing to do with 50% being saved and 50% not within the Church. It has nothing to do with 50% or professors being genuine and 50% not. It has equally nothing to do with the percentage of society that will know Christ when He comes. The 50/50 breakdown is an earthly illustration relating to preparedness; some were wise and prepared others were foolish and were caught on. This is what will happen when Jesus comes. Remember, the broad road holds the vast bulk of mankind. There are few on the narrow road. This truth is played out throughout Scripture.

 

[The Light]

Where else in the Bible does it say that the Church is 24 elders? Where does it say that it has 24 elders? You seem to be making it up as you go. 2+2 equals 4 not 22. You obviously have nothing to support your teaching.

Nah. You seem to be making it up as you go.

Did I say the 24 elders was the Church. No.

I said the 24 elders had crowns and that means Jesus has come. Simple

I will give you 15 solid reason why this reasoning is ridiculous and should be swiftly rejected. I will then explain these points.

(1) The word “Church,” as in the elect redeemed (born again) Church, is not mentioned anywhere in Revelation. There are only references to the local churches (which includes saved and unsaved) in Asia Minor in the last book in the Bible.

Rev 1
19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

(2) The whole book of Revelation was written to local churches in Asia Minor 2,000 years ago for the expressed purpose of encouraging them in their hour of trial.

Rev 1
19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

(3) Words, terms, titles and descriptions that are repeatedly used elsewhere in the New Testament to describe the Church of Jesus Christ are used regularly in Revelation 4 to 19 to describe the true Church of Jesus Christ.

(4) The apostate “churches” and their phony believers miss the rapture and enter this supposed 7 year tribulation, according to Pretrib – but the non-mention of the apostate “churches” must prove they are not on earth either. Where have they gone to?

There are 5 wise and 5 foolish. You do the math.

(5) The word “Church” is not found in Revelation 4 in the Pretrib rapture

Jesus has come. There are 24 elders in heaven with crowns.

(6) The word “Church” is not found in the heavenly passages between Revelation 4 and 19. Using Pretrib logic, then they must not be in heaven either.

Jesus has come in Rev 4 as the 24 elders have crown and there are kings and priests in heaven in Rev 5

(7) The word “Church” is not found in Revelation 19 for the Pretrib 3rd Coming. So, they cannot be part of that supposed event.

They are in heaven at the marriage supper so they will be part of that event.

(8) The word “Church” not found in Revelation 20 in the millennium. They cannot therefore be part of that period of time.
(9) The word ‘“Church” not found in Revelation 21 in the eternal state. They cannot therefore be part of the eternal state.
(10) The word ‘“Church” not found in many places throughout the New Testament.
(11) The word ‘“Church” is not found in all the popular Pretrib proof texts.
(12) What about the absence of the word “Jew” and “Hebrew” from Revelation 4-19, and the absence of the word “Israel” after Revelation 7.
(13) What about the non-mention of the popular Pretrib term ‘tribulation saints’ in Revelation 4-19?
(14) Whilst “the Church” has been caught up at the coming of Christ, even Pretrib teaches that local churches continue to exist after the rapture! Why are these churches not mentioned?
(15) Does the strange silence of the word “Christian” in Revelation 1-3 not prove Christians are not present or in view?

Just a bunch of nonsense. Not worth my time.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I think you're just cheer-leading for your own beliefs. It isn't enough to quote Scriptures--you have to explain what they mean and how what they mean applies to your argument. Saying one portrait of Christ's Coming is different than another portrait of Christ's Coming only says that there are different portraits of his Coming--not that there are several different comings.

Just asserting your position as true doesn't prove anything except to yourself. If that's what you want to believe, have at it.

You are misleading others when you claim nobody here has "unpacked" the 10 Virgins parable. Saying that my interpretation "changes the components of the parable" is simply your sly way of saying that any way I wish to "unpack" the parable is "changing the components of the parable," which you feel contaminates the parable.

Your own version of the 10 Virgins parable would be equally suspect under those conditions! ;) So basically, you're claiming that Postribs have in fact "unpacked" the 10 Virgins parable--just not in a way that agrees with your position.

If you can't debate in a respectable way, without making false claims, then I think we're done here. The 10 Virgins Parable can be interpreted as you see fit. But that doesn't make it a proper interpretation. One has to be willing to understand and explain the "component parts" without being accused of "changing them."

No
I am saying they DO change components.
Thankfully the parables are oversimplified by Jesus so that very little discernment is needed.
My assertion is correct that postribs do change them.
....as THEY HAVE put on display.
I just stick to the components themselves.
Oil equals Holy Spirit...no brainer.
Virgins equal believer. Undefiled, pure chase, set aside.
Setting is peacetime ,normal life.
Bride is taken to the marriage chamber
Postribbers need those changed.
That is bizarre.
Not my assertion. My assertion is true.
The changing is bizarre since the antitypes are so basic a babe in christ can discern it.