Obeying Acts 2:38 is the only plan of salvation

[ScottA]

Are you trying to say that obeying Acts 2:38 is obeying the law of the Old Testament?

At that time, under those circumstances it was right for Peter to descend with those who had not ascended to things as they are now. So, yes, those who now descend to the terms of pre-Christ times, if not only for those who have not known God, descend into the Law and into His death unnecessarily.

 

[Truther]

lol I honestly haven't understood any of these comments. I think though, that I would try Matthew 28 and see if the comments differ, since it includes (the other sheep) of the nations. IDK why the fight against what I think you're saying. Is baptism commanded by the Lord? Yes. Should we obey Him? Yes. Why the fuss?

Matthew 28:19-20
Go, therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to follow all that I commanded you; and behold, I am with you always to the end of the age.

Simply, all of Christendom is about this… What is the name of the son per Matthew 28:19?

Rarely can a Christian man answer this. This to me is the mystery of the ages and a spiritual mind block that is happening all over the Earth.
I have posted this question as a thread on multiple forums and it is like a riddle to most people. Can you answer it?

 

[Truther]

At that time, under those circumstances it was right for Peter to descend with those who had not ascended to things as they are now. So, yes, those who now descend to the terms of pre-Christ times, if not only for those who have not known God, descend into the Law and into His death unnecessarily.

So… Then Peter said to them repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Do you think that all of it is the law or only certain parts?

Which parts are law and which parts are grace?

 

[Behold]

Buddy, this is preaching the cross...

First of all, im not your "buddy", little carnal one.

Next, the preaching of the Cross, will have the Cross in it, and "water baptism" only has water in it.

Also, if you get a bible, and read Acts 2:38, .. Peter didn't preach the Gospel to the Jews...He told them that "you have slain your messiah", and they , the Jews said....>"What must we do"??? about that fact.....How can we make up for it.

So, Peter told them.... John the Baptist's water baptism......"Repent and get dunked"..

That is not The Gospel., and will never be the Gospel.

Even someone like you, trained by a water cult... should be able to comprehend this.. @Truther .


So, Paul said...

"Christ sent me not to water baptize" but to "Preach the Cross".

Like this.

"The Preaching of the CROSS, is the Power of God, unto SALVATION, unto everyone who believes"..

See, the 'Preaching of the Cross" puts the emphasis, gives the Credit for Salvation, unto Jesus being Crucified.

That is not "water baptism".., and will never be water baptism.... Reader.

 

[Truther]

First of all, im not your "buddy", little carnal one.

Next, the preaching of the Cross, will have the Cross in it, and "water baptism" only has water in it.

Also, if you get a bible, and read Acts 2:38, .. Peter didn't preach the Gospel to the Jews...He told them that "you have slain your messiah", and they , the Jews said....>"What must we do"??? about that fact.....How can we make up for it.

So, Peter told them.... John the Baptist's water baptism......"Repent and get dunked"..

That is not The Gospel., and will never be the Gospel.

Even someone like you, trained by a water cult... should be able to comprehend this.. @Truther .


So, Paul said...

"Christ sent me not to water baptize" but to "Preach the Cross".

Like this.

"The Preaching of the CROSS, is the Power of God, unto SALVATION, unto everyone who believes"..

See, the 'Preaching of the Cross" puts the emphasis, gives the Credit for Salvation, unto Jesus being Crucified.

That is not "water baptism".., and will never be water baptism.... Reader.

The cross is directly connected to the burial with Christ. If you do not get baptized, in the name of Jesus for the remission of your sins, you still have him hanging on the cross and not buried. You left him out for the buzzards to devour.

 

[ScottA]

So… Then Peter said to them repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Do you think that all of it is the law or only certain parts?

Which parts are law and which parts are grace?

It is not a matter of law or not, but of the knowledge of Christ. For this reason Peter began with explaining what many of that time had missed or misunderstood. Then after bringing them up to speed by knowledge, he told them also of what would bring them up to speed in spirit, by those things pointing to the baptism of Christ.

The difference during these times, and for all who have already come into the knowledge of Christ and answered His spiritual knock at the door--as He said, "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me" (Revelation 3:20)--these are already baptized with the Holy Spirit, making water baptism an unnecessary religious practice. Meaning two things: 1) one can be baptized with water as a ministry to those who have no knowledge of Christ and what is to come next by the Holy Spirit (as it was in those days and with John the Baptist), or 2) to receive it for the same reason, as a dedication and statement of belief in Christ. Neither of which is to be considered a commandment, but rather a remembrance and acknowledgement of Christ by whom we receive the one and only necessary baptism of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Truther]

It is not a matter of law or not, but of the knowledge of Christ. For this reason Peter began with explaining what many of that time had missed or misunderstood. Then after bringing them up to speed by knowledge, he told them also of what would bring them up to speed in spirit, by those things pointing to the baptism of Christ.

The difference during these times, and for all who have already come into the knowledge of Christ and answered His spiritual knock at the door--as He said, "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me" (Revelation 3:20)--these are already baptized with the Holy Spirit, making water baptism an unnecessary religious practice. Meaning two things: 1) one can be baptized with water as a ministry to those who have no knowledge of Christ and what is to come next by the Holy Spirit (as it was in those days and with John the Baptist), or 2) to receive it for the same reason as a dedication and statement of belief in Christ. Neither of which is to be considered a commandment, but rather a remembrance and acknowledgement of Christ by whom we receive the one and only necessary baptism of the Holy Spirit.

This is pure Grace...


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Obey and celebrate it.

 

[ScottA]

This is pure Grace...


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Obey and celebrate it.

Except for the "Obey" part...that is correct. You have added it where it does not belong. Which is to say, your approach, is not one of grace, but of lack of understanding. It is a disservice and a misrepresentation of and to Peter and to God. As I have explained.

 

[Truther]

Except for the "Obey" part...that is correct. You have added it where it does not belong. Which is to say, your approach, is not one of grace, but of lack of understanding. It is a disservice and a misrepresentation of and to Peter and to God. As I have explained.

But the gentiles were commanded to be baptized in the name of the Lord per Acts 10, which demands obedience.
The command still stands today.

Correct?

 

[ScottA]

But the gentiles were commanded to be baptized in the name of the Lord per Acts 10, which demands obedience.
The command still stands today.

Correct?

Again, Peter's commanding was not to reenter into water baptism after entering into Christ's Holy Spirit baptism, as if going to the end of the line again. But rather, that those who were in need, enter into faith and belief in Christ, whether by water first, or not. That is why Jesus simply said, "He who believes in Me shall be saved." Thus, Peter naming the current known practice, simply made for a clear image of what had begun with John but would be fulfilled and finished in Christ.

Water baptism was never the point. Christ was the point...and water baptism only pointed to Him. Salvation is not in the water, nor is that the commandment, for salvation is in Christ alone.

 

[Truther]

Again, Peter's commanding was not to reenter into water baptism after entering into Christ's Holy Spirit baptism, as if going to the end of the line again. But rather, that those who were in need, enter into faith and belief in Christ, whether by water first, or not. That is why Jesus simply said, "He who believes in Me shall be saved." Thus, Peter naming the current known practice, simply made for a clear image of what had begun with John but would be fulfilled and finished in Christ.

Water baptism was never the point. Christ was the point...and water baptism only pointed to Him. Salvation is not in the water, nor is that the commandment, for salvation is in Christ alone.

That is not what I am asking. Peter commanded Cornelius and all of his friends, relatives and immediate family to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Does that still stand today? Would you do it because Cornelius obeyed it? It doesn’t matter if you think you’re saved already. Will you obey the same command since you are a gentile also? Or are you a better gentile than they are?

 

[Truther]

Rules for thee and not for me?

Peters commands are for ancient gentiles, but not for modern gentiles?

 

[ScottA]

That is not what I am asking. Peter commanded Cornelius and all of his friends, relatives and immediate family to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Does that still stand today? Would you do it because Cornelius obeyed it? It doesn’t matter if you think you’re saved already. Will you obey the same command since you are a gentile also? Or are you a better gentile than they are?

You are avoiding the obvious.

Therefore, I will ask you: Does Cornelius "still stand today?" Does Peter? How about John the Baptist?

There is only One who stands able to baptize with the Holy Spirit.

 

[Truther]

You are avoiding the obvious.

Therefore, I will ask you: Does Cornelius "still stand today?" Does Peter? How about John the Baptist?

There is only One who stands able to baptize with the Holy Spirit.

You are an Acts skipper.

 

[ScottA]

You are an Acts skipper.

No, but you are apparently one who does not understand the Lord in spirit, not taking the words as spirit, but only literarily.

Oh, and you're a false witness.

 

[PS95]

Simply, all of Christendom is about this… What is the name of the son per Matthew 28:19?

Rarely can a Christian man answer this. This to me is the mystery of the ages and a spiritual mind block that is happening all over the Earth.
I have posted this question as a thread on multiple forums and it is like a riddle to most people. Can you answer it?

Jesus Saves.
Acts 4:12
"And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”

 

[PS95]

@Truther,
Romans chapter 6 :)

 

[Truther]

No, but you are apparently one who does not understand the Lord in spirit, not taking the words as spirit, but only literarily.

Oh, and you're a false witness.

You can’t spiritualize the word of God into oblivion. That’s how all those false religions got started.

 

[Truther]

Jesus Saves.
Acts 4:12
"And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”

Amen

 

[Truther]

@Truther,
Romans chapter 6 :)

Praise God… We are buried with Jesus in Jesus name baptism.