No Condemnation For Those In Christ, But... Sinning Believers Are Condemned Ro 14:23?

[Eternally Grateful]

I have debunked your ignorant claims more times than I can count. Not only in this "chatroom" but others.

You have done no such thing..

Once again, What is Gods requirement for keeping the law? Moses tells us in Deuteronomy, And paul confirms in it Gal 3. James even mentions it in his book

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes, I do not understand the Bible. That is why I discuss it with other believers.
"Iron sharpens iron."

But you don;t understand,

Although I agree, you discuss it with people like you. although do they understand it?

You cannot make sense of the Scriptures as a whole.

But I do. My doctrine does not cause the scripture to contradict..

You take one part of it and reject the rest of it.

That what you do.

I just interpret it correctly to make it ALL agree..

Therefore, holding to one part of it, and rejecting the other, you are unhelpful with regard to understanding Scripture.

lol. whatever

once again, What is Gods requirement of the law..

I say the same of yourself. LOL
Stalemate.

yep, But I love the truth. it does not offend or hurt me.. even your truth does not offend me, because it has no power over me..

 

[GracePeace]

But see, here you are miskated

Romans 1 was written to gentiles

Romans 2 adresses jews.. Not gentiles

17 Indeed you are called a Jew, and rest on the law, and make your boast in God,

Paul was calling out jews for boasting in their keeping the law and Judging gentiles.

No, the letter addresses the Roman Church, in the which are Jews and Gentiles.
The occasion is the Jews had been ousted by the govt, and were returning to find Gentiles filling their Church, thus there were problems, and the Jews were boasting in their Jewishness, and looking down on their Gentile brothers, so Paul warns them.

You still have not answered according to scripture though

You don't know anything about Scripture, so you think I didn't.
You need to read something before you try to discuss Scripture.
You don't know anything about Scripture.

Thank you. So he was talking to Jews not gentiles.

Jewish believers had to have their pride tamped down by pointing out that Gentile believers were doing a better job at ACTUALLY PERFORMING the righteousness which the Jews boasted about KNOWING about (through the Law), and, so, he went about undercutting their faith in their Jewish pedigree, their physical circumcision, and their possessing the written Law--whereas the Gentile believers are "circumcised in the heart by the Spirit" (v29), and have the Law written on the heart.
His point was "not just knowing the Law, but doing the Law, will justify you--your Jewishness won't help you".

Yes. But do we love perfectly? If not. can we keep the law as required by God?

At this point, you're just arguing against Paul, who teaches only doers of the Law will be justified. That's not my problem, that's yours.
Moreover, yes, if God works His works in us, then that is God at work, not us, so, yes, we can love as God loves. If you disagree, you're questioning God's power.

THAT'S the question I was asking

Romans 8:4 we fulfill the righteous requirement of the Law

 

[GracePeace]

You have done no such thing..

Once again, What is Gods requirement for keeping the law? Moses tells us in Deuteronomy, And paul confirms in it Gal 3. James even mentions it in his book

Yup, I have. Over and over. Doing it again right now to top it all off.
Paul says doers of the Law will be justified on the Day of Judgment--you can't change that.

 

[Behold]

Paul says doers of the Law will be justified on the Day of Judgment--you can't change that.

And you've broken many laws and all the 10 Commandments, in deed or in word or in mind.

This mean you have SIN... and no amount of trying to keep the Law or commandments, can deal with your sin.

So, you can waste your time there, trying to save yourself with what defined you and defines you as a sinner, or you can come to the revelation that Law is not your Salvation.

 

[GracePeace]

And you've broken many laws and all the 10 Commandments, in deed or in word or in mind.

This mean you have SIN... and no amount of trying to keep the Law or commandments, can deal with your sin.

So, you can waste your time there, trying to save yourself with what defined you and defines you as a sinner, or you can come to the revelation that Law is not your Salvation.

Irrespectively, only doers of the Law will be justified (Ro 2)--and Gentile believers are examples of men who fit the description of doers of the Law who will be justified.
How does your theological "system" of ignorance square itself with that?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No, the letter addresses the Roman Church, in the which are Jews and Gentiles.

I did not say the letter, I said the particular chapter you are using in an attempt to prove your point,

Please learn how to properly interpret what people are saying

The occasion is the Jews had been ousted by the govt, and were returning to find Gentiles filling their Church, thus there were problems, and the Jews were boasting in their Jewishness, and looking down on their Gentile brothers, so Paul warns them.

lol. Jews hated gentiles because they are gentiles.. You do not study the word very much do you?

You don't know anything about Scripture, so you think I didn't.
You need to read something before you try to discuss Scripture.
You don't know anything about Scripture.

lol. Read these three lines back to yourself. and let them sink in.. Because this shoudl be directed to you

Jewish believers had to have their pride tamped down by pointing out that Gentile believers were doing a better job at ACTUALLY PERFORMING the righteousness which the Jews boasted about KNOWING about (through the Law),

You did not read romans 1 did you? That is Gods directive to the gentiles.. They hid god in their heart..

and, so, he went about undercutting their faith in their Jewish pedigree, their physical circumcision, and their possessing the written Law--whereas the Gentile believers are "circumcised in the heart by the Spirit" (v29), and have the Law written on the heart.
His point was "not just knowing the Law, but doing the Law, will justify you--your Jewishness won't help you".

No. He did not say this.

He said those who obey the law are justified. why?

At this point, you're just arguing against Paul, who teaches only doers of the Law will be justified. That's not my problem, that's yours.
Moreover, yes, if God works His works in us, then that is God at work, not us, so, yes, we can love as God loves. If you disagree, you're questioning God's power.

No. I am trying to discuss a word with someone who does not understand it.

Romans 8:4 we fulfill the righteous requirement of the Law

What is the righteous requirement.

Please stop trying to evade the question

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yup, I have. Over and over. Doing it again right now to top it all off.
Paul says doers of the Law will be justified on the Day of Judgment--you can't change that.

lol

you did it again. You refuse to answer

WHAT IS THE RIGHTEOUS REQUIRMENT OF THE LAW??

Answer the question or prove you do not know..

 

[GracePeace]

I did not say the letter, I said the particular chapter you are using in an attempt to prove your point,

Please learn how to properly interpret what people are saying

I'm not going to waste my time wrangling with you as you have proven yourself dishonest in the past.
The fact is that "doers of the Law will be justified"--you are not interested in that truth.

 

[GracePeace]

lol

you did it again. You refuse to answer

WHAT IS THE RIGHTEOUS REQUIRMENT OF THE LAW??

Answer the question or prove you do not know..

As already stated, love fulfills the Law (Ro 13:8-10; Gal 5:14).

 

[Behold]

Irrespectively, only doers of the Law will be justified

Paul told you....

"being IGNORANT of God's Righteousness, they go about trying to establish their own righteousness, (law keeping, self justification) and have not submitted themselves to the righteousness of God"..

"Grace through Faith"... without the deeds of the Law".

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I'm not going to waste my time wrangling with you as you have proven yourself dishonest in the past.
The fact is that "doers of the Law will be justified"--you are not interested in that truth.

Yet you refuse to answer my question.

Your wrangling with yourself..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

As already stated, love fulfills the Law (Ro 13:8-10; Gal 5:14).

No. This is HOW we fulfill the law

I asked what the righteous requirment of the law is.

Your trying to skirt.why refuse to answer? I do nto think you are that unlearned that you do not understand that does not answer my question

 

[Eternally Grateful]

As already stated, love fulfills the Law (Ro 13:8-10; Gal 5:14).

No. This is HOW we fulfill the law

I asked what the righteous requirment of the law is.

Your trying to skirt.why refuse to answer? I do nto think you are that unlearned that you do not understand that does not answer my question

 

[GracePeace]

Paul told you....

"being IGNORANT of God's Righteousness, they go about trying to establish their own righteousness, (law keeping, self justification) and have not submitted themselves to the righteousness of God"..

"Grace through Faith"... without the deeds of the Law".

Already answered this, but your brain needs the answer again:

When we walk after the spirit, that is God's righteousness, not our own from the Law, so Ro 2 isn't in contravention of that.

Maybe you need a little more sleep, because you're not that sharp.

 

[GracePeace]

Yet you refuse to answer my question.

Your wrangling with yourself..

You're not capable of honest discussion.

Go back and answer all the multitude of answers I already gave you that you just hand-waved away with a single statement instead of addressing every one of them.

You are not worthy of that kind of effort.

Doers of the Law will be justified--you don't believe it, not my problem.

 

[GracePeace]

No. This is HOW we fulfill the law

I asked what the righteous requirment of the law is.

Your trying to skirt.why refuse to answer? I do nto think you are that unlearned that you do not understand that does not answer my question

The Law requires that you love, thus "love fulfills the Law".

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The Law requires that you love, thus "love fulfills the Law".

No

God requires you to love.

What Did Moses, Paul and James say was the requirment, Here I will even help you

Deut 27: 26
Gal 3: 10 - 11
James 2: 10.

Can you humble yourself enough to read them and come back and give me the answer?

 

[GracePeace]

No

God requires you to love.

What Did Moses, Paul and James say was the requirment, Here I will even help you

Deut 27: 26
Gal 3: 10 - 11
James 2: 10.

Can you humble yourself enough to read them and come back and give me the answer?

Guy, saying "love fulfills the law", IPSO FACTO, means that "love" is what the Law "requires". LOL

 

[CadyandZoe]

Not sure how "condemned" isn't the same subject.

Romans 8 speaks about God's lack of condemnation. Romans 14 talks about judging each other.

Actually, it was established literally everyone agrees with me because it's what's plainly stated. I can point you to an equation stating 2 + 2 = 4 but if you choose to go outside of logic, and deny it, what can i do? I accept that you reject my claim and I move on.

It's not that I can't understand you; it's that your interpretation seems to need work.

The question I asked was, "What exactly is being doubted?" Specifically, we are seeking Paul's response to the question. If Paul doesn't provide an answer, then the word "doubt" is questionable. Unless you can point out in the text where Paul mentioned the specific belief that is being doubted, your interpretation needs improvement.

When someone lacks conviction, they may question their beliefs or hesitate in their opinions. Nevertheless, eating food is primal, and eating the wrong thing can be deadly. For this reason, I can't imagine anyone eating something they "doubt."

Already debunked this with Matthew 18.

Matthew 18 isn't relevant to the discussion.