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[Eternally Grateful]

Perhaps consider some of your own statements?

I think in terms of fences. Good fences make for good neighbors. On my side of the fence is what I think, what I feel, on your side is what you think and what you feel. I do well to speak about what's on my side of the fence, and let you speak about what's on your side of the fence.

Much love!

It hels when we stick to the word and our belief, and don't tell others what they do or do not do.. Hence the I vs You info.

 

[Ritajanice]

report away

I am not bearing false witness. I am having a discussion.

A disagreement is not bullying..

You are bullying me and telling me that I am not Born Again...then you go on to tell me how to become Born Again..that is not Gods word..

Your testimony is your testimony..

My testimony is my testimony.

For some reason you can’t accept my testimony..even though it is biblical..

My question is why are you so desperately trying to get me to believe your testimony when it’s not biblical?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The truth must be shown?

Your truth you mean.

No the truth

You will share your truth I will share mine..

Why are you so desperately trying to show me your truth...that is your truth.

Maybe because I see a flaw in your truth and am trying to help?

Do not I repeat do not force me to believe in your freewill as you do...

I can't force you to do anything, no one can

. Unlike you who thinks God forces people

Its funny you say we can't force you, when your whole belief system is based on force.

I was chosen and predestined to become Born Again and I will “ NEVER” deny this...

Don;t I am not asking you to

you don’t understand what it means to be chosen ok...no problem.

See here we go again, You accusing falsely based on your view.. Did you not say you were going to let it go? It did not even last two hours.

I understand perfectly clear what it means to be chosen..

You believe you freely had a conversation with God and told him when he could make you Born Again..none of that is biblical..

No

see you do not even know what I believe. I never stated this, or even hinted that this was true.

when are you going to open up and actually listen to what people say and not look for what you think they are saying?

How I became Born Again is Biblical....and I have posted scripture to support my testimony...

And I have supported (and others) scripture thats hows it is not biblical

 

[Johann]

Show the word. Ask questions, Explain why you believe the way you do.

That I do @Eternally Grateful but showing the word and asking questions seems to stir up a hornet's nest and it get's turned on me-I am "angry, cantankerous, verbose, vicious,"Sly"

But thank you brother and God bless.
Johann.

 

[Ritajanice]

I am not bullying you..

Sharing the word is not harrasment, I am not bearing false witness and lieing about what I or other people are sying.

You are bullying me by insisting that I’m not Born Again and that your way is the only way to become Born Again...I rebuke you telling me that your way is the right way to become Born Again..I will continue to stand my ground on this if I have to.

I can;t force anyone to do anything, all I can do is share what I see.

Oh I think you will one day.. I just pray it is not too late by then

Here you go again, with your silly, childish fear mongering..it’s so plain to see.

I have already explained to you that the faith that God gifted to me took root nearly 33 yrs ago...it’s so well rooted in my spirit/ heart that nothing anyone says can uproot it, that’s how powerful my faith is in God, as it was God given....I love having stuff like what you post above thrown at me.....

I was too. Because God knew in his foreknowledge I would recieve him.. and not reject him

That is your belief system, that you keep trying to prove to me .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You are bullying me and telling me that I am not Born Again...

I have not said that. there you go bearing false witness again, If you want to report. feel free. then they can be shown all the times you have bore false witness against others

then you go on to tell me how to become Born Again..that is not Gods word..

I give you gods word. and you tell me its not gods word.. LOL

Your testimony is your testimony..

Amen

My testimony is my testimony.

Amen

For some reason you can’t accept my testimony..even though it is biblical..

I can;t accept your doctrine.. huge difference

My question is why are you so desperately trying to get me to believe your testimony when it’s not biblical?

I ask you the same question. why are you so desperately trying to get me to believe your DOCTRINE when it is not biblical.

Have I ever given you my testimony, I am not sure I have. so why you ask that question is again just another side step

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You sound just like a pro-abortion supporter.

What do the following tell you? Where did Jesus mention Born Again regarding children?

Matthew 19:13-14
Then some children were brought to Him so that He might lay His hands on them and pray; and the disciples rebuked them. But Jesus said, “Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”

Mark 10:13-16
And they were bringing children to Him so that He might touch them; but the disciples rebuked them. But when Jesus saw this, He was indignant and said to them, “Permit the children to come to Me; do not hinder them; for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it at all.
( Seems like children do not need to be.)
Luke 18:15-17
And they were bringing even their babies to Him so that He would touch them, but when the disciples saw it, they began rebuking them. But Jesus called for them, saying, “Permit the children to come to Me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it at all.”
(As above)

Matthew 18:2-5
And He called a child to Himself and set him before them, and said, “Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. Whoever then humbles himself as this child, he is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

Mark 9:36-37
Taking a child, He set him before them, and taking him in His arms, He said to them, “Whoever receives one child like this in My name receives Me; and whoever receives Me does not receive Me, but Him who sent Me.”

Luke 9:47-48
But Jesus, knowing what they were thinking in their heart, took a child and stood him by His side, and said to them, “Whoever receives this child in My name receives Me, and whoever receives Me receives Him who sent Me; for the one who is least among all of you, this is the one who is great.”

Matthew 18:10

“See that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that their angels in heaven continually see the face of My Father who is in heaven.

Matthew 18:14

So it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones perish.

So if it is not Gods will that any children should perish, then you believe Hindu children go to heaven? Muslim Children? Satanists children?

or do all kids who die before some age you haven't declared go to heaven?

YOUr big error here is you are not recognizing that Jesus is making a comparison and not declaring a doctrine on the salvation of children. Jesus is saying people nedd to become like children in order to be saved- not that children are automatically saved.

Once again John 3:3 Unless a person is born from above, they cannot see the kingdom of God! According to your belief, the bible is wrrong in one of these areas or that you are misunderstanding what Jesus said.

NO, I am very pro-life, that toss away insult is just a red herring. But let me ask you again-- are children people?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That I do @Eternally Grateful but showing the word and asking questions seems to stir up a hornet's nest and it get's turned on me-I am "angry, cantankerous, verbose, vicious,"Sly"

But thank you brother and God bless.
Johann.

yes

the truth hurts.. so people react badly to it.. Look how the pharisees reacted when Jesus gave the word..

if they want to act bad. I just try to expose their reaction and pray they see how they are acting, But most people never see it

 

[Ronald Nolette]

How can you claim dead babies and infants don't go to Heaven in one breath and then say you don't know where they go?

Because I do not know if babies can be saved.

John the Baptist leapt in HIs mothers womb at the sound of Jesus' mothers voice. also in romans it says that God will have mercy on whom he will have mercy.

But if pressed for an answer I will say this:

John 3:3 UNless a person is bon from above, they cannot see the kingdom of God" so unless Babies and children are born from above and die they cannot see the kingdom of God according tro the Scriptures.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Luk 18:15 Now they were bringing even infants to him that he might touch them. And when the disciples saw it, they rebuked them.
Luk 18:16 But Jesus called them to him, saying, "Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of God.
Luk 18:17 Truly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it."

The kindom of heaven belongs to those who have not sinned or have been forgiven of their sins. The doctrine of Original Sin is false. Clearly these children had not sinned. If they die before they are old enough to have sinned, they will go to heaven.

That is not what Scripture says.

Psalm 51:5
Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Ephesians 2:3

King James Version

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3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Ephesians 2:11-12

King James Version

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11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

Psalm 58:3
The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

The lost are lost from their conception!

 

[Ritajanice]

No the truth

You will share your truth I will share mine..

Exactly..I have posted my testimony using scripture.

Maybe because I see a flaw in your truth and am trying to help?

Here you go again, you see a flaw in my testimony...my testimony is my testimony and I was gifted Faith by God, i don’t have to work to trust and walk in faith...because from day one I had the gift of Faith to know that Gods Witness His Living Holy Spirit testified to my spirit that I am Gods child, Faith is a manifestation of the Spirit....he testified/ spoke to my spirit as he was indwelling my spirit...

I can't force you to do anything, no one can

. Unlike you who thinks God forces people

Once again..you do not understand chosen and predestined to become Born Again....we were chosen according to Gods purpose and plan all biblical...now for some reason it upsets you greatly and you can’t accept how some of us were Born Again.

Because it doesn’t fit in with how you were Born Again.

Its funny you say we can't force you, when your whole belief system is based on force.

Once again you aren’t understanding chosen and predestined to become Born Again in your spirit, that is where we understand in our spirit.

Don;t I am not asking you to

See here we go again, You accusing falsely based on your view.. Did you not say you were going to let it go? It did not even last two hours.

I understand perfectly clear what it means to be chosen..

You understand perfectly chosen, yet you have just said God forced himself onto me?

Do you believe that God opens a persons heart to become Born Again once he has forgiven them of their sins?

No

see you do not even know what I believe. I never stated this, or even hinted that this was true.

when are you going to open up and actually listen to what people say and not look for what you think they are saying?

And I have supported (and others) scripture thats hows it is not biblical

My testimony is Biblical...

 

[Ritajanice]

I have not said that.

Yes you have, it’s on this thread.you asked me to forgive you , because you didn’t believe I was Born Again apparently you saw a flaw.whatever that means.

You insinuated that I wasn’t Born Again.

Eternally Grateful said:
lol. I am not even sure you are born again. Forgive me,, But there are things missing.

there you go bearing false witness again, If you want to report. feel free. then they can be shown all the times you have bore false witness against others

I have not bear false witness against anyone.

I give you gods word. and you tell me its not gods word.. LOL

You did not give Gods word on how we are Born Of The Spirit...you gave your opinion on what you believe that scripture to be saying.which is not how Jesus told Nicodemus how we are Born Again you left that part of scripture out.

Amen

Amen

I can;t accept your doctrine.. huge difference

It’s not my doctrine..it’s what’s in the written word , I was Born Again exactly how Gods Witness His Living Holy Spirit Witnessed to my spirit...The Spirit witnesses/ testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children, that is biblical, Jesus also tells Nicodemus exactly how we become Born Of The Spirit.

I ask you the same question. why are you so desperately trying to get me to believe your DOCTRINE when it is not biblical.

My testimony is biblical...just as I’ve explained above for all to see.i have never tried to get you to believe my testimony...I have defended my testimony..because you have done nothing but challenge my testimony that is biblical through out this thread....therefore I will always defend my testimony, as I can’t have you telling me how to become Born Again....I can’t deny Gods Living Witness His Living Holy Spirit, who made my spirit Born Again the way he did...to satisfy you, I’m afraid I would rather die..

Have I ever given you my testimony, I am not sure I have. so why you ask that question is again just another side step

You have given your testimony on how you believe you became Born Again.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Because I do not know if babies can be saved.

That's not an opinion of nor from God.

John the Baptist leapt in HIs mothers womb at the sound of Jesus' mothers voice. also in romans it says that God will have mercy on whom he will have mercy.

But if pressed for an answer I will say this:

John 3:3 UNless a person is bon from above, they cannot see the kingdom of God" so unless Babies and children are born from above and die they cannot see the kingdom of God according tro the Scriptures.

Wrong.
It isn't my place to open your mind.

 

[BlessedPeace]

No need to get personal. You are sharing your poor opinions of others, is that good thing?

Much love!

Not getting personal. It is an observation of your indefensible personal views of Scripture and that those are not of Scripture.

You just made it personal.

 

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Not getting personal. It is an observation of your indefensible personal views of Scripture and that those are not of Scripture.

You just made it personal.

I'll answer. It's not a good thing. If you think I'm mistaken about a Scripture, you could post the Scripture, and show what you believe to be the correct meaning. You could show what you think I have wrong. Or you can just express your negative opinions. Your choice.

Much love!

 

[BlessedPeace]

I'll answer. It's not a good thing. I you think I'm mistaken about a Scripture, you could post the Scripture, and show what you believe to be the correct meaning. You could show what you think I have wrong. Or you can just express your negative opinions. Your choice.

Much love!

I have. We have. God has. To no avail.

 

[marks]

I have. We have. To no avail.

Like I said, it's your choice about what tone you want to post in. Personally, I'd love to see a more Scriptural discussion. There are lots of very specific passages, for instance in John 1, that as many as received Him, believing in His Name, to them He gave the right to become children of God.

Here, "receive", and "believing" are active voice verbs, meaning this is something the person does of themself. If it were done for them, it would require a passive voice verb to show that. In that the right to become children of God is to them, this shows believing and received are required of one before they are given the right, or power, to become children of God.

This is a very clear passage, particularly looking to the grammar used. Not that it changes the significance of the English translation, which shows the same thing. Looking at the Greek grammar completely reinforces the English.

And no other passage, if correctly understood, will contradict this.

Any comment on this passage?

Much love!

 

[Johann]

Like I said, it's your choice about what tone you want to post in. Personally, I'd love to see a more Scriptural discussion. There are lots of very specific passages, for instance in John 1, that as many as received Him, believing in His Name, to them He gave the right to become children of God.

Here, "receive", and "believing" are active voice verbs, meaning this is something the person does of themself. If it were done for them, it would require a passive voice verb to show that. In that the right to become children of God is to them, this shows believing and received are required of one before they are given the right, or power, to become children of God.

This is a very clear passage, particularly looking to the grammar used. Not that it changes the significance of the English translation, which shows the same thing. Looking at the Greek grammar completely reinforces the English.

And no other passage, if correctly understood, will contradict this.

Any comment on this passage?

Much love!

You have explained the passage powerfully and exegetically-no comments from my end.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

So if it is not Gods will that any children should perish, then you believe Hindu children go to heaven? Muslim Children? Satanists children?

or do all kids who die before some age you haven't declared go to heaven?

YOUr big error here is you are not recognizing that Jesus is making a comparison and not declaring a doctrine on the salvation of children. Jesus is saying people nedd to become like children in order to be saved- not that children are automatically saved.

Once again John 3:3 Unless a person is born from above, they cannot see the kingdom of God! According to your belief, the bible is wrrong in one of these areas or that you are misunderstanding what Jesus said.

NO, I am very pro-life, that toss away insult is just a red herring. But let me ask you again-- are children people?

NO

 

[Johann]

NO

Just curious-are you a woman?