Why are some interpreters not being honest with the text involving Daniel 9:27?

[Eternally Grateful]

Why else would you say that I'm not discussing the Word except that you think that's the case just because I disagree with you? I certainly am discussion the Word, so don't tell me otherwise.

Or maybe I see you ignoring the word. and making it fit your belief system?

LOL. You have no idea of what you're talking about. You said "He said they are blinded in part UNTIL a time in the future" and I said that I didn't say otherwise, which is true. I just happen to have a different understanding of what that means than you do.

You said

He was not saying that all of the nation of Israel would be saved at some point in the future.

I am done.

You have nothing to offer me, and you can not even admit what you say.

Good luck, I will pray for you..

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Or maybe I see you ignoring the word. and making it fit your belief system?

If that's how you see it then why are you talking to me? If I believed that you were ignoring the Word and purposely changing it to fit your belief system, I would not bother talking to you anymore. Just because we disagree doesn't mean we have to make it personal as if we are purposely being dishonest or purposely ignoring things.

I am done.

You have nothing to offer me, and you can not even admit what you say.

What is there to admit? I never said that I didn't say what you quoted. If you misunderstand what I say, that's not my fault. I don't blame you for wanting to bow out at this point. You clearly are not able to refute what I've said. I'd bow out if I was you, too.

Good luck, I will pray for you..

Thanks for praying, but luck has nothing to do with it. I will pray for you, also, but I also want to encourage you to ask God for wisdom (James 1:5-7).

 

[Ronald D Milam]

It amuses me that someone who has preached for 40 years can't even acknowledge that the text indicates that the Messiah would be cut off some time after the first 69 weeks ended.

It says after 62 plus 7 weeks or 483 years, 483 x 360 = 173880 days. So, he dies after 173880 days. You are trying to make it about Jesus, its not about Jesus, its about Israel. You clearly do not understand the Prophesy. Before the 70th week can end Israel has to repent as a Nation.

I completely disagree. The prophecy specifically mentions the Messiah being cut off. What do you think that refers to if not Jesus's death on the cross? Also, Daniel 9:24 mentions making reconciliation for iniquity. How else can that be done besides by way of the blood of Christ?

We know, but the truth is still the truth brother. Because Jesus died were you AUTO on going to heaven? No, because we all have to repent. Jesus dying does not equate with Israel repenting.

I'm quite chill, man. I don't need you to lecture me. You need to finally learn the truth of this matter after preaching false doctrine for 40 years.

Yes you do, when you represent Christ and and think calling brothers a liar is OK its my job to say, no its not OK, and you know better. What have we got of we gain the whole world and have not charity (love) my friend. Its all meaningless if we act like the world.

I have a blog of 8-9 years that shows what each verse in the Daniel 9 prophesy means.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It says after 62 plus 7 weeks or 483 years, 483 x 360 = 173880 days. So, he dies after 173880 days. You are trying to make it about Jesus, its not about Jesus, its about Israel. You clearly do not understand the Prophesy. Before the 70th week can end Israel has to repent as a Nation.

Can you clear something up for me? There is another person here acting like I was misrepresenting your view when I said that you believe Jesus was cut off (died) at the end of the 69th week rather than at any time after the 70th week. Is that accurate?

We know, but the truth is still the truth brother. Because Jesus died were you AUTO on going to heaven? No, because we all have to repent. Jesus dying does not equate with Israel repenting.

Why are you not addressing my question? Again, Daniel 9:24 mentions making reconciliation for iniquity. How else can that be done besides by way of the blood of Christ? You are denying that the reference to making reconciliation for iniquity applies to what Jesus did for them, right? Are you suggesting that the Israelite people can make reconciliation (atonement) for their own iniquity? I sure hope not! That's impossible!

Yes you do, when you represent Christ and and think calling brothers a liar is OK its my job to say, no its not OK, and you know better.

When did I call you a liar? If I do see someone lying, you better believe I will say so. But, I don't recall calling you a liar. I said you preach false doctrine (just as you believe about me as well), but I didn't say you do it purposely. So, I didn't say you were lying.

What have we got of we gain the whole world and have not charity (love) my friend. Its all meaningless if we act like the world.

Is that what you think you're doing with how you talk to people on here? Hmmm.

I have a blog of 8-9 years that shows what each verse in the Daniel 9 prophesy means.

What you think each verse means, anyway. Is this supposed to be impressive?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Jealous? Of you? lol. Now that the funniest thing I have read all day

Why would I be jealous of someone who does not read the first part of a chapter to get context. then totally destroys the last part of the chapter and mocks people who does not agree with him?

Yeah, Now thats a joke

I complimented Jeff on his post and for some reason you felt the need to chime in with your nonsense because you can't handle it when others do that if they don't agree with your view. If that isn't jealousy, I don't know what is. You just won't admit it.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You really need to slow down and stop making yourself look bad. I have had discussions with him about this in the past and I know that he believes that Jesus was cut off at the end of the 69th week rather than some time (even a short time) after the 69th week ended because that is what he said. He's not the only one here who does that. For whatever reason (probably doctrinal bias), some here have decided that the word "after" doesn't mean what the word obviously means. It never means "at the end of" as some here imagine. So, there's no reason to act as if I don't know what he believes. I do. You obviously don't.

Hey, He put after.

all I can do is read what I said.

Make myself look bad?? Sorry my friend. when someone says he was cut off after, and you say he said he was cut off when. I am not the one making myself look bad

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It was His Plan.

He kept His Promises.

2 Corinthians 1
20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

You can deny His Plan all you want.

But it happened, 2,000 years ago.

Whether you like it or not.

HE KEEPS

An eternal promise has no end.

Once you get this knowledge. You will see how flawed your thinking is

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I complimented Jeff on his post and for some reason you felt the need to chime in with your nonsense because you can't handle it when others do that if they don't agree with your view. If that isn't jealousy, I don't know what is. You just won't admit it.

lol

whatever man

You give yourself to much credit.

I love to expose people.. especially when they keep saying the same stuff over and over..

 

[covenantee]

HE KEEPS

An eternal promise has no end.

Once you get this knowledge. You will see how flawed your thinking is

Galatians 3
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

2 Corinthians 1
20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

I've got the understanding of Galatians 3:16 and 2 Corinthians 1:20. They're not flawed.

God is eternal.

His Son is eternal.

All the promises of God in Him are eternal.

Until you understand that, you'll never understand His Plan.

 

[covenantee]

I love to expose people.

When do you intend to start?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

When do you intend to start?

Oh I started along time ago

Whats amazing is the ones who are being exposed can;t see it..

That makes it even more fun

 

[WPM]

lol

whatever man

You give yourself to much credit.

I love to expose people.. especially when they keep saying the same stuff over and over..

That seems to be the thrust of your postings. You attack the messenger instead of the message.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That seems to be the thrust of your postings. You attack the messenger instead of the message.

What message are they giving?

I am attacking the message.. But usually when you do that, The messenger feels attacked.

Thats not my problem

 

[Eternally Grateful]

People need to realise. The OT prophecies concerning everything that has come to pass. Is our history. We read it like we would a history book.

Now in Gods eyes. All of this is history. God is outside of time, So to him, it is all history. Even though in our view it is yet future.

Thats why prophecy needs to be read and interpreted like you would a history book. Because God is telling us things that in his mind, have already take place. So when they do take place. We can know.. well there is only one God that can do that…

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

lol

whatever man

You give yourself to much credit.

I love to expose people.. especially when they keep saying the same stuff over and over..

I don't need to even do anything to expose you. You expose yourself.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Hey, He put after.

all I can do is read what I said.

Make myself look bad?? Sorry my friend. when someone says he was cut off after, and you say he said he was cut off when. I am not the one making myself look bad

I told you that I had talked to him before about it and I know what he believes and how he interprets that. And you ignore that and still think he meant something else. Had you ever talked to him about what he believes before? I doubt it. I have. And he's not the only one here to try to redefine the word "after".

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I told you that I had talked to him before about it and I know what he believes and how he interprets that. And you ignore that and still think he meant something else. Had you ever talked to him about what he believes before? I doubt it. I have. And he's not the only one here to try to redefine the word "after".

I have looked

I do not see where @Ronald D Milam believes as you say..

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I have looked

I do not see where @Ronald D Milam believes as you say..

Have you seen him indicated that he believes otherwise? I'm not saying he explained it in this thread. This was in the past in a different thread. If you don't want to believe me about that, so be it. You can ask him yourself.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

I have looked

I do not see where @Ronald D Milam believes as you say..

If someone tells us they will sell their car to you in 7 days because its the 1st and their new car will not be ready until the 8th then we expect top get that car on the 8th in 7 days, not in 12 days in the middle of the next week. We will get the car AFTER 7 days.

Jesus will die AFTER (EXACTLY AFTER) 483 years, not AFTER 483 years plus 3.5 years. Anyone who does not understand the HE in Dan. 9:27 is the Little Horn/A.C. should just leave prophesy alone tbh. This is as simple as it gets. Jesus is KILLED after 483 years just like the Wall is completed after 49 years, not after 52 or 53 years. Its just that simple my friends.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If someone tells us they will sell there car to you in 7 days because its the 1st and there new car will not be ready until the 8th then we expect top get that car on the 8th in 7 days, not in 12 days in the middle of the next week. We will get the car AFTER 7 days.

Jesus will die AFTER (EXACTLY AFTER) 483 years, not AFTER 483 years plus 3.5 years. Anyone who does not understand the HE in Dan. 9:27 is the Little Horn/A.C. should just leave prophesy alone tbh. This is as simple as it gets. Jesus is KILLED after 483 years just like the Wall is completed after 49 years, not after 52 or 53 years. IIts just that simple my friends.

well thank you..

You just proved that what I thought you said was true. and @Spiritual Israelite accused you of to be in error..