False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

[Taken]

There is a rapture at the 6th seal.

No.
There ARE “some” souls saved, and their body’s killed….(their body’s wait for resurrection).

(A RAPTURE, expressly is the RAISING UP ABOVE the EARTH…
A changed body, whose soul is saved, whose spirit is quickened (born again)…

The devils wrath is over at the 6th seal.

No. The devils Wrath is NOT even mentioned until the REV 12:12.

That is when the tribulation is over. The 7th seal is Gods wrath.

No. The SEALS introduce the Lambs Tribulations…
The TRUMPS introduce Gods Saving of His People ISRAEL, WHILE causing WOES upon the Earth.
The SAVING…”angers” the devil…and his Wrath begins IN Rev 12:12

God Wrath begins in Rev 16:1

The Last Days Tribulations ARE a series of “21 Judgement EVENTS”, sent down from Heaven.

At the same TIME, during the Judgements…
Israel, Gentiles ARE being Offered Salvation, that they CAN become MADE SAVED…and through all the devastation and multitudes of bodies being killed……those with SAVED souls, will have their bodies RESURRECTED and Glorified…(After Judgement Day).

WRATH….IS the Reaction of ANGER…(During the Trib…)
Of the Lamb
Of the devil
Of God

Each has a REACTION of ANGER…WHEN they OFFER…a way for men to BE WITH THEM….and men REJECT them…

During the Last days Tribulation…
The Lamb…IS offering Salvation with Him.
The devil…..IS offering physical life with him.
God………….IS offering eternal life with Him.

Reject the Lambs offering He becomes angry
Reject the devils offering he becomes angry
Reject Gods offering He becomes angry

The Lamb…the devil…God….ALL have POWER to kill and destroy that which REJECTS them!! (Via- Tribulations)

REVELATIONS…Reveals…the sequences of those things occurring…AND what men ARE accepting and rejecting WHO (the Lamb, the devil, and or God)…

THE “CONVERTED” IN Christ… HAVE been for 2 thousand years, BEEN pledging their VOW…(as was an Option Offering FROM God)….TO freely and willingly BECOME MADE WHOLE…”IN CHRST”…body, soul and spirit…LONG Before the ends days tribulations sent down from heaven…

AND precisely WHY…THE RAPTURE….
Ie OF THOSE IN Christ…
Not only applies to those LIVING, at the time of the last days trib…BUT ALSO to those IN Christ….who have bodily DIED over the PAST 2 Thousand years….

ALL IN CHRIST…before the last days trib…SHALL be bodily redeemed…bodily changed…and their saved soul and quickened spirit returned to their body…
And they MEET their Lord (face to face) IN the clouds, and SEE Him AS He IS…(SPIRIT)…and Forever remain WITH Him.

Many souls shall be saved during the Tribulation Days…

Saved souls Do and WILL rise up to Heaven…
NOT their BODIES.

RAPTURE…is unique, ONLY to Christ’s Church…where by their BODY, IS CHANGED and RAISED UP…and their saved soul and quickened spirit is returned to their CHANGED Body.

The devil is done at the 6th seal. The 7th seal is Gods wrath on an evil world

No.

The bowl judgements take place in the same timeframe as the trumpet judgements.

No. Woes occur during the trump judgements.

Bowl judgements follow the trump judgements.

The dead in Christ rise first. Then the alive that remained are caught up. This is the rapture of the Church. It will happen before the tribulation.

Yup.

 

[Keraz]

This rapture occurs at the 6th seal.

Too bad that nothing like that idea is mentioned in Revelation 6:12-17.

People would be well advised to give up the fanciful idea of being raptured to heaven, it simply isn't scriptural.

 

[Taken]

The dead receive new bodies.........and so do the alive that are raptured

SOME DO…not all dead.
….there you are vague, not precise.

WHEN is where you error…
….Those IN Christ, (bodily dead or bodily alive)…SHALL be BODILY CHANGED and Risen up, BEFORE the Trib.
….THIS IS A RAPTURE…THE RAPTURE and expressly WHO it applies to.

WHEN are OTHER BODIES (of saved souls) RISEN UP?
Judgement DAY!

That does NOT occur BEFORE or DURING the Trib sent down from Heaven.

Those IN Christ…already HAVE freely given their body unto the Lord God IN Death, already received Salvation of their soul….AND ALREADY have received the Baptism of the SEED of God….their Spirit is Already BORN of God…

WHERE IN Scripture are you taught…
DURING the Trib…
Men are receiving Gods Baptism, Gods SEED….?
Men are rising up Bodily to Heaven?

They who begin to believe during the Trib…and Calling on the Lord, confessing their Belief….and WHEN their BODY is KILLED…Their SOUL is SAVED, and DEPARTS their DEAD BODY and rises to Heaven…
(That is NOT a rapture) That is a claiming, redemption of their SOUL.

It is after the Trib…
It is after the 1,000 year reign of Christ…
Their Bodies are RESURRECTED ON EARTH….“changed”for Judgement Day.

Their BODIES DO NOT go UP to Heaven…
After the trib,, after the 1,000 yr reign of Christ, after body resurrections, after Judgements, after sentences…
Heaven opens up and comes DOWN to Earth.

1 Cor 15
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

Irrelevant without who “WE” are and “WHEN”.

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

At the LAST Trump (which are Trumps Angels blow at particular times)….
The Seventh Trump is the LAST Trump…

Rev 10
[7] But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

What “was” the Mystery of God that was “finished”?

Rev 11:
[15] And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

1 Cor 15…you implicate, Body’s are immediately are raised up from the dead.

1 Cor 15, is notifying you…those in Heaven are rejoicing….BECAUSE the Mystery of God has become COMPLETE….ALL the souls that SHALL be SAVED … ARE SAVED and with the Lord God Forever….

AFTER the LAST TRUMP of the Seventh Angel……NO MORE men upon the Earth are called into Repentance.

Then comes the Last seven bowl Judgements UPON the Earth and ALL men left whose souls WILL NOT BE SAVED.

Rev 16: 1 —-> forward
Seven bowl judgement poured out.

1,000 year reign of Christ.
Bodies risen up…Judgement….

Those who DIED “not converted”, “not IN Christ”….but BELIEVED when they bodily died….

God searches their heart (their true belief)…
Those who died (not converted) at any time having died believing in God…believing IN …
JESUS….God shall bring (raise saved) with Him…during the resurrection of the JUST<—-> (not the same as those IN Christ, ie the Church)

1 Thes 4:
[14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

The pretrib rapture happens before the tribulation.

Yep…body’s, souls, spirits…with the Lord in the clouds.

The post trib or prewrath rapture happens before the wrath of God.

Nope…During and After the Trib…Bodies are NOT raised up “Above” the Earth.

A rapture…..IS a raising up to the clouds…above the Earth…
A FORGIVEN MADE ANew BODY, its saved soul, quickened spirit.

THAT ONLY applies to those “IN” Christ…BEFORE the Trib.

Those DURING the Trib “coming to Belief IN God, IN Jesus’ Gospel…are becoming SOUL SAVED…….not a new body, not baptized and receiving the seed of God, not receiving the Spirit of God in their physically dead body’s!
Their body’s remain on earth Rotting, decaying.
(That occurs at their Resurrection ON EARTH).

 

[Taken]

Too bad that nothing like that idea is mentioned in Revelation 6:12-17.

People would be well advised to give up the fanciful idea of being raptured to heaven, it simply isn't scriptural.

Actually People would be WELL ADVISED to Hear the word of God AND read the word of God to VERIFY what they Hear…
AND
Read and Study particular topics of Scriptures, LEARNING IN CONTEXT of ALL places in Scripture…THAT TOPICS…
Who, what, when, why, where APPLICABILITY!

You are here to Promote ant-RAPTURE of Christ’s Church members before God sends down His Tribulations and Wraths from Heaven upon The Earth.

Not once have you Quoted a Scripture Revealing…
* The WHO….IN Christ ARE ON the Earth during any portion of Gods Tribulation…
* The WHAT … IN Christ ARE ON the Earth suffering the Lambs, the devils, Gods Wrath.
* WHEN … IN Christ NOT ONCE are identified Being ON EARTH during the tribulation
* WHY …. IN Christ have any purpose, works, tasks, services TO DO during the Tribulation.

WHERE ARE THESE FACTS…that supposedly support YOUR OPINION?

You DEMAND PROOF of a Pre-trib but then FAIL to comprehend the Proof…

WHERE are YOUR FACTS, YOUR PROOF, there is NO Pre trib Rapture?

 

[Keraz]

WHERE are YOUR FACTS, YOUR PROOF, there is NO Pre trib Rapture?

Asking me to prove something that does not exist, is crazy.
What I can prove is what is actually Prophesied for Gods peoples during the end times. But you are not interested in the fact you must endure until the end.
You and everyone are going to have to prove their faith in the Lord, for His protection during the Tribulations ahead,

 

[Taken]

Asking me to prove something that does not exist, is crazy.

You are claiming what exists IS those IN Christ shall be present UPON the face of the Earth during the tribulations sent down from Heaven…

Based on What?

What I can prove is what is actually Prophesied for Gods peoples during the end times. But you are not interested in the fact you must endure until the end.

First of all I will point out YOUR FALSE ACCUSATION that I have no interest in endurance to the end, bolstered by the fact you offer no quote my own words saying any such thing!

Of the Scripture, you Imply, but DO NOT reference or quote, or identify the CONTEXT…of Who or What.

“Reference to endurance” is mentioned nearly 125 times in Scripture…

In the NT , specific enduring “until the end” (per your specific comment)…is mentioned…3 times.

Matt.10
[22] And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Matt 24:
[13] But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mark.13
[13] And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.


Who is HATED?
Why are they HATED?
Who SHALL BE SAVED at the End?
What is the meaning of the END?

(I doubt you capable of answering…So I will answer.)

In Context…
* Who is Hated…IS Believers IN Jesus.
* They ARE Hated Because they Believe IN Jesus being sent from God.
* WHO…”SHALL BE” saved “IF” they endure (continue) Believing IN Jesus ARE those WHO at present Believe IN Jesus.
* What END…is a believer encouraged to keep believing? TO the “END” of their physical bodily Life.
* WHEN..”SHALL” they be saved? At the END of their physical bodily Life.
* IS their body’s life saved? No.
* Is their soul saved? No
* What “SHALL Be SAVED” When they endure (continue) believing until the end of their physical bodily life? Their soul!

SO WHY is this Message / Warning SO urgent, important to BE Expressly REPEATED 3 Times in the NT?

Again, I doubt your ability to answer, BASED ON your EXPRESS preaching of THAT Message TO: People who are ALREADY soul SAVED!!!

Obviously, you DO NOT comprehend the message of Warning men to endure (continue) Believing until the day of their bodily Death….SO they CAN THEN BECOME MADE soul SAVED.

Those Believers…ARE BELIEVING, and enduring (continuing to Believe….BY their OWN (HUMAN strength /power)….
BECAUSE they ARE NOT;
YET already soul SAVED BY THE offering, and Power of God, TO save their soul…AND Baptize them with the Holy Spirit, and Have the Holy Spirit DWELL “IN” them TO WHICH the Power of the Holy Spirit “IN” them IS the precise POWER, that KEEPS a man SECURE, that Gods Power will KEEP them IN Belief FOREVER…regardless on what day their Body physically dies!!!

WHY IS THAT guaranteed SECURITY?
BECAUSE there IS NO POWER Greater than GOD…which could CAUSE that man TO EVER, under ANY circumstance … NOT BELIEVE.

So WHY do YOU Presume, Imply, even quote as YOUR supposed “evidence”….TO persons…ALREADY soul saved….THAT THEY “by their own power” MUST endure (continue) until (their end of bodily life)…??

That message, warning, IS TO “Believers”.
Any Serious STUDENT of Scripture and prudent person who listens to the testimonies of men….
SHOULD KNOW…many men have claimed to BELIEVE…and then Completely flipped and Claim they do not Believe…
Which any prudent person SHOULD THEN RECOGNIZE…
Believers ARE NOT soul saved, (present tense)….but SHALL BE SAVED (Caveat)…
“IF” they endure (continue) believing to the end of their physical bodily life….and NOT fall away, and stop Believing.

WHAT DOES such a Believing man HAVE TO DO WITH An ALREADY soul saved man…Converted IN Christ…the Lord Gods Holy Spirit POWER “IN” that man…KEEPING that soul SAV-ED (present tense man) BY Gods POWER IN THAT man…Forever Saved?
NOTHING..!
ZERO…!
NaDa..!
ZIP..!

The argument you rely on and present…is ridiculous on it face…
A soul sav-ED man DOES NOT REQUIRE his soul to be SAVED A SECOND TIME!!

You and everyone are going to have to prove their faith in the Lord, for His protection during the Tribulations ahead,

Sadly…but nothing new…you have completely MISSED the whole big Picture of Christ Jesus’ Gospel … and desperately attempt to use your failure to attack others who Have fully made their allegience TO Christ Jesus… IN Christ Jesus.

 

[Keraz]

Based on What?

I base the fact of the Christian peoples being on earth during the end times, right up to the glorious Return, on; Daniel7:25, Revelation 13:7 and Revelation 12:14 & 17.
Also the may scriptures telling us to stand firm in our faith thru all the testing and trials of the last days. AND - there is no Prophecy saying the Lord will rapture His people to heaven. There are several that say He won't!

The rest of your post is a rant, unworthy of response.

 

[Taken]

I base the fact of the Christian peoples being on earth during the end times, right up to the glorious Return, on; Daniel7:25, Revelation 13:7 and Revelation 12:14 & 17.
Also the may scriptures telling us to stand firm in our faith thru all the testing and trials of the last days. AND - there is no Prophecy saying the Lord will rapture His people to heaven. There are several that say He won't!

The rest of your post is a rant, unworthy of response.

A few questions to you, if you would not mind answering…
@ Davy also.

Are you familiar with what Protestant Christians call…an “altar call” ?
If so, do you know what that “means” ?
Curious, do you, or have you subscribed to “participation” in such?

 

[ewq1938]

This is a good point. However, it does say after the fullness of the Gentiles comes in part of them will have their blindness removed.

Why were they blinded in the first place?

 

[ewq1938]

There are two raptures.

Paul spoke of only one, same with Christ. The living/surviving Christians will be raptured. It is a one time event.

The two folds shall become one fold.
John 10
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

That isn't speaking of the rapture.

There's not even a rapture at the 7th trumpet.

Yes there is and it is the only rapture described of the church.

Again, you have believers going through the wrath of God.

No one teaches that. You created this strawman.

We are NOT appointed to wrath. Your view is clearly in opposition to scripture.

The church is appointed to wrath, Rev 12:12

 

[Keraz]

A few questions to you, if you would not mind answering…
@ Davy also.

Are you familiar with what Protestant Christians call…an “altar call” ?
If so, do you know what that “means” ?
Curious, do you, or have you subscribed to “participation” in such?

It is against Forum rules and protocol to question a fellow Christians faith.
FYI; I have participated in an altar call and have been full immersion baptized.

Why can you not admit the scriptures I provided in #1127, do prove the Christian peoples will be on earth until Jesus Returns, Then we go to be with Him is Jerusalem.

 

[Taken]

It is against Forum rules and protocol to question a fellow Christians faith.

FYI; I have participated in an altar call and have been full immersion baptized.

it is not Against forum rules to ask the beliefs of a persons religion.

Point in fact.
* An “altar call” is not Scripturally About scheduling a “water” baptism…

* Rather…an “altar call” is about an individual calling on the Lord CONFESSING their TRUE HEARTFUL BELIEF, (IN God and Christ Jesus being the Son of God,) BEFORE witnesses and that individual becoming: SOUL saved and BAPTIZED with and IN the Holy Spirit at THAT moment.

* Routinely people “CONFUSINGLY”identify and call themselves “Christians”… Before AND After a “Holy Spirit Baptism” experience.

* A person BELIEVING…is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than a PERSON who has “Heartfully” CONFESSED his Belief.

* A person BELIEVING…IS NOT SAVED, IS NOT BORN AGAIN…CAN STOP BELIEVING.
(And FYI…IS the person being told, warned, to endure to the END!)
** IF THEY ARE ALIVE AT THE TIME OF THE TRIBULATION…THEY WILL BE ON THE EARTH!!!


* A BELIEVING person who has truthfully heartfully CONFESSED IS a Holy Spirit Baptized, Soul Saved, spirit born again person….THEY CAN NEVER STOP BELIEVING!
THEY ARE Christ’s Church.
THEY ARE “WHO” shall be Raptured.
THEY SHALL NOT be ON the Earth during the Tribulation!

Why can you not admit the scriptures I provided in #1127, do prove the Christian peoples will be on earth until Jesus Returns, Then we go to be with Him is Jerusalem.

You talk about “Christians”….AS IF THEY ARE ALL “born again”….that is FALSE.

Christianity IS “confusing” to non-Christians and SADLY “confusing” to Christians who are poorly Taught…

It was NON-believers…who First called men … CHRISTIANS….(Speaking about men WHO Believed IN Jesus and Followed Jesus’ teaching)

It was Jesus Christ Himself who Expanded … followers and believers….INTO CONFESSED and CONVERTED Believers…by, through, of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

It has been very obvious, by your comments, your posts, you do not comprehend the difference….and precisely WHY you can NOT understand what a Rapture IS and WHO expressly it applies to.

 

[Keraz]

It has been very obvious, by your comments, your posts, you do not comprehend the difference….and precisely WHY you can NOT understand what a Rapture IS and WHO expressly it applies to.

God knows who belongs to Him.
The rapture to heaven is a false teaching, a lie that has fooled many with the crazy idea that we can be removed from the earth to escape any testing of our faith. It will not happen and is refuted by Jesus Himself, John 17:15

 

[Taken]

God knows who belongs to Him.

Absolutely the Father knows WHO belongs to Him.
So ALSO Does Jesus know WHO belongs to Him.

John 10:
[25] Jesus answered them…
[28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
[29] My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

The rapture to heaven is a false teaching, a lie

Not true.

that has fooled many with the crazy idea that we can be removed from the earth to escape any testing of our faith. It will not happen and is refuted by Jesus Himself, John 17:15

Eph 4:
[18] Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

Eph.5
[17] Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

As I have said before…
Who, What, When, Why, Where IS paramount to the Context of Gods Knowledge and the Key to the Beginning of Spiritual Understanding Of Gods Knowledge;
which Comes From the Lord Jesus AND God.

You have a heart of Knowledge but are contrite in Spiritual Understanding….and Not alone…

Col 1:
[9] For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;


Who, What, When, Why, Where…
* Always is in regard to manKIND, for manKIND.
* Always is based IN Gods ORDER and WAY.
* Always is to ACCOMPLISH and ESTABLISH the END RESULT:
* For an Individual man TO BE:
Forever WITH or WITHOUT…
The Lord Gods Almighty.

* You testify you ARE “WITH and IN”, Christ the Lord Jesus….
* Then preach you ARE “Appointed To”, Suffer Jesus’ Consequences AND Gods’ Consequences”;
* THAT WHICH ARE Consequences …
FOR men WHO are NOT Committed “IN” Christ and NOT Having Committed TO God.
* WHICH SUCH Consequences…
ARE Tribulations AND Wrath…SENT DOWN FROM HEAVEN UPON the WHOLE EARTH.

Absolutely…Tribulations and Wrath Sent DOWN from Heaven from God, in the Last days…
ARE the END of DAYS “TESTING” OF NOT COMMITTED Believers and NON-Believers DURING them Experiencing Horrific Devastation.[/B]

You (and some others), FAIL to comprehend… During a mans physical natural lifetime;
They ARE foretold, and DO, SUFFER Trials, Testing, Tribulations….FROM God…FROM man…!!!

* From God… Devastating Effects FROM:
His Weather, Famines, and sorrows from loved ones dying.
* From man… Devastating Effects FROM:
Their Wars, Diseases, Oppression, Possessions and Liberty Confiscation.

You teach and preach…an INDIVIDUAL man, WHO HAS “ESTABLISHED” A “COMMITTED” one on one “RELATIONSHIP” with Christ the Lord (According TO: Gods ORDER and WAY)…
(WHO HAS “PASSED” the TESTING, of BEING COMMITTED TO the Lord God…Forever STANDING wIth the Lord God…
DESPITE, experiencing devastating weather, losses of possessions, loss of loved ones, horrible diseases, corrupt oppressions of liberty from men…)
Just IS NOT SUFFICIENTand (According to YOU)…those “MADE WHOLE” IN Christ…MUST SUFFER IN-SPIITE…of them having PASSED the Test of STANDING IN Christ and STANDING WITH God…Having BECOME BY the Power of God…MADE WHOLE, During their Lifetime of Tribulations FROM Men and Gods weather.

ASTOUNDING, you Claim to have ACCEPTED the Lord Gods Offering to Have MADE YOU WHOLE….yet present a teaching and preaching AGAINST the REWARD the Lord God foretold and promised HOW and WHY men MADE WHOLE are NOT APPOINTED TO Gods Tribulations and Wrath SENT DOWN FROM HEAVEN in the Last Days..!!

The End of days as we Know them SHALL COME.

Those ‘MADE WHOLE” BY the POWER OF God…shall Be Lifted UP off the face of the Earth TO the Clouds / Air.

( you quibble over the meaning of Heaven, which IN FACT was revealed IN Scripture is Heaven(S))

(You Ignore, DRY LAND, is EARTH. Mountain tops/ Peaks reach UP INTO the clouds. Men DO NOT LIVE on Mountain Peaks, but they can travel there. The Clouds ARE the Lower beginnings of the HeavenS. Moses went to the mountain TOP, to retrieve the Commandments GOD with His Own Finger Wrote… And WHILE Moses was ON the Mountain TOP, IN the Clouds, God Himself informed Moses, he was Standing ON “HOLY” ground, and to remove his shoes.
And Again with Noah, the ark he prepared, According to Gods Order and Way, BY Gods Authority of causing WATER to (DESTROY the EARTH…ie DRY LAND, was NOT DRY Land, by the Reason of WATER)… And the Ark, Saved the Lives of Eight, as they were PREPARED BY STANDING WITH GOD IN Belief..Those Eight were RAISED UP ABOVE the EARTH, ABOVE the mountain tops. Again, they in the clouds, of the Lower Heavens.

No one can Read for you, or Study for you, or spark your interest that you go and Read the Knowledge FOR yourself…(which you have already declared is not worthy of your time).

You insist on picking a Scripture here and there, with NO insight on WHO, WHAT, WHEN, WHY, WHERE…any particular scripture DOES or DOES NOT apply to “yourself”…but think yourself qualified to “apply” whatever Scripture to “others”.

You use “VAGUE” language as a means to “bolster” your accusations against others, “AS IF” that makes your own testimony and accusations “Credible”. It doesn’t.

God SHALL SEND DOWN FROM HEAVEN…exactly what scripture teaches…

Tribulations and Wrath…UPON … ALL that are dwelling UPON the face of the WHOLE EARTH!

Rom 1:
[18] For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Luke 21:
[35] For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.

You obviously REJECT and PREACH AGAINST those who ACCEPT… Gods Order and Gods Way, His Manner, His Provision, TO BE REMOVED from the FACE of the Earth. Men WHO HAVE BEEN:…
Forgiven their unrighteousness.
Accepted the Lords Offering to BE MADE A New Creature, CONVERT-ED, WHOLLY WHOLE:
Body, Soul, Spirit, and NOT Appointed to Wrath and Tribulations TO BE Sent down from Heaven.

And IFY…men WHO ARE AGAINST men WHO HOLD and STAND IN the Truth of the Lord God… ARE CALLED “persecutors” of Gods People…

Just saying… It is absolutely your OPTION to REJECT The Lord Gods Order, Way, Manner He has determined HOW He shall MAKE AN ESCAPE PLAN for HIS People to NOT SUFFER His Wrath and Tribulation SENT DOWN upon ALL men upon the face of the Earth…
BUT WHEN YOU openly and adamantly STAND AGAINST men WHO HAVE Believed, Trusted and Accepted Gods Order and Way…. There IS a Scriptural Warning for you…
Romans Chapter One.

 

[Taken]

@Keraz

The Lord Gods Order, Way, Manner, saddens you…
Agree, sad for you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[The Light]

Paul spoke of only one, same with Christ. The living/surviving Christians will be raptured. It is a one time event.

Paul spoke of two. 1 Thes 4 has one and 1 Cor 15 the other.

That isn't speaking of the rapture.

I know. It's speaking of two raptures

Yes there is and it is the only rapture described of the church.

I know. The other is for the 12 tribes across the earth, the seed of the woman.

No one teaches that. You created this strawman.

Why is this a strawman? Do you or do you not have the Church on earth during the wrath of God.

The church is appointed to wrath, Rev 12:12

Oh. Ok. The Church is not appointed to the wrath of God. And yet you have them going through the wrath of God.

There are 5 foolish and five wise. It's time to wise up.

 

[Keraz]

You obviously REJECT and PREACH AGAINST those who ACCEPT… Gods Order and Gods Way, His Manner, His Provision, TO BE REMOVED from the FACE of the Earth.

Yes I do, because there is nowhere in the Bible that says God will take His people to live in heaven.
We Christians are not appointed to the Lords wrath, because we will be protected through it all. As the 3 men in the furnace were and as Isaiah 43:2 describes.

There are 5 foolish and five wise. It's time to wise up.

I agree. Give up the escapist and false rapture theory and be prepared to - Call upon the Name of the Lord and you shall be saved.

 

[The Light]

I agree. Give up the escapist and false rapture theory and be prepared to - Call upon the Name of the Lord and you shall be saved.

Why would I give up the truth.

Luke 21
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

It never once occurs to you that you have the Church going through the wrath of God. We are not appointed to wrath. There is absolutely zero chance your beliefs are correct.

 

[Douggg]

Yes I do, because there is nowhere in the Bible that says God will take His people to live in heaven.

Keraz, did Noah spend the rest of his life living in the ark ? The answer of course is "no".

It may not be an exact comparison because them taken to heaven in the rapture/resurrection, unlike Noah, will be in their everlasting eternal bodies. The point I am trying to make is that taken to heaven in the rapture/resurrection does not mean those saints will forever be in heaven, but will return with Jesus at His Second Coming.

 

[Taken]

Yes I do, because there is nowhere in the Bible that says God will take His people to live in heaven.

“IN” heaven ? Where is that?

We Christians are not appointed to the Lords wrath,

Did you “call yourself”, openly claim to Be “A Christian” BEFORE you were….”water Baptized” ?

Did you “call yourself”, openly claim to Be “A Christian’s” AFTER you were…”water Baptized” ?

So, “what” was the point of you being Dipped in water …. IF you Called yourself the Same thing, before and after your “water baptism performed by another man”?

because we will be protected through it all. As the 3 men in the furnace were and as Isaiah 43:2 describes.

In Isaiah, it was 3 men only cast into a furnace … those 3 were “ISRAEL” Gods people, which God Saved.
What does those three being Saved from a furnace fire have to do with …
The Lord (who was Not Revealed) and Gentile Christians?