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[Eternally Grateful]

I ask again how do you know that Jesus died on that cross?

Its called the word of God.. Try to read it, It may help you

Where do you understand the cross..only in the written word?

I have no other proof that it happened. Well I can read history books..

You need to understand the cross somewhere else my friend?

Oh I do?

I can;t just take the apostles john's word for it?

Seriously where do you come up with this stuff

I ask again...how can you believe that Jesus died on the cross?...just by reading the written word?

And I answered your question earlier.. Are you unable to read what people write?

That is not how God says we are Born Again...those are your words, non biblical..

Actually. Those are jesus words to nicodemus, and written down by John and inspired by the spirit

They are not my words.

We are Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever?

Where does that seed liveth and abideth forever?

The cross?

Not biblical...God makes our spirit Alive in Christ...when we become Born Again of imperishable/ incorruptible seed..looking to the cross does not make us Born Again?

I ask again, what in you has come to life?

You need God’s Living witness His Holy Spirit, to back up the written word?

Not biblical....just confusion.

You must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God.

Your spirit must be Born Again?

Again, I do not know where you come up with this stuff.

Not from any church I know..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

God written word is backed up by Gods Living witness His Holy Spirit...the Written word is meaningless without God’s witness His Living Holy Spirit.

That is not how God says we are Born Again..he makes it very clear in his written word how we are Born Of The Spirit...backed up by His Living witness the Holy Spirit.

Once again confusion and not biblical.

We must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God....

Then prove it please?

Again a magic potion is not biblical.

Where are you Alive?

Wow!...so the written word made your spirit alive.that is an un - truth and Gods witness backs up your un- truth...you do not need to read a Bible to be Born Of The Spirit.

I ask again..how can your own human faith understand that you have been Born Again in your spirit?

Faith is a gift from God a manifestation of the Spirit? Which means what..?...where does Gods faith manifest itself?

If one believes then they must be Born Again.

That is not how God says we are Born Again, Jesus already explained in the first part when speaking with Nicodemus..that is how we are Born Of The Spirit...that is the Living Spirit who is everywhere and he witnesses Gods truth to our hearts/ spirit when he makes our spirit supernaturally / spiritually Born Again.

Then prove it please using scripture...not your opinions.

I will pray for you


1. You deny the written word is needed
2. then you tell me to prove it by using scripture.

You can't even get your own facts straight.

1. Your looking for stuff that is not there
2. You can not understand what people are saying
3. You make alot of stuff up

 

[Ritajanice]

WHoever is in a state of unbelief is dead. they must be born again

Where are they dead?

What in us is Born Again?

Your intellect?

 

[Ritajanice]

Its called the word of God.. Try to read it, It may help you

You cannot understand God’s written word without His Spirit leading your spirit through it.

Who leads you through scripture..and where in you do you understand the written word...it’s a spiritual book..therefore the answer is an easy one.

I have no other proof that it happened. Well I can read history books..

Oh I do?

No one can prove that they have been Born Of The Spirit.

I can;t just take the apostles john's word for it?

Seriously where do you come up with this stuff

What stuff..please explain?

And I answered your question earlier.. Are you unable to read what people write?

Actually. Those are jesus words to nicodemus, and written down by John and inspired by the spirit

They are not my words.

The Bible is a spiritual book written under the influence of the Spirit..so how do we understand the written word of God..in our intellect?

Again, I do not know where you come up with this stuff.

Not from any church I know..

Then please explain what stuff I am coming up with? Thank you.?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

So let's assume people are born with a sin nature. They don't start sinning until when?

Well I can't answer that. there have been by some estimations over 25,000,000,000 souls trhat walked the earth since god created Adam. that would necessitate the potential of 25,000,000,000 different moments in time when a sinner committed their first sin.

A cat may not go after a mouse until much later, but it is hard wired in its brain to do so.

Same with humans we may not sin until X time, but we will for it is hard wired in our nature.

Remember acts of sin do not keep a person from being imperfect. We are imperfect by nature. It is only a matter of time before that imperfection will reveal itself.

 

[Ritajanice]

I will pray for you


1. You deny the written word is needed

Please show me where I denied the written word is needed..it is only needed so that we can grow and mature in Christ.

You teach an un- truth that one needs to read a Bible to be Born Of The Spirit..being Born Of The Spirit is a supernatural/ spiritual Living birth, which you can’t seem to comprehend......it’s a Living birth only Gods Living witness His Holy Spirit can bring our spirit Alive in Christ, when he makes our spirit Born Again by His supernatural powers...he does the will of the Father..I hope you know that.....he’s everywhere in Spirit....he’s not contained my friend....it’s Gods Living Witness His Living Holy Spirit who makes our spirit Born Again...the Bible can’t do that.....I mean you could be reading the Bible at the time Gods Witness His Living Holy Spirit makes your spirit Born Again.....the Bible is not the Living Holy Spirit, it’s his inspired Written word..it was written by men.who were under the influence of the Holy Spirit when they wrote it.

What do you think would happen to you if you never read the Bible?

The written word does NOT make one’s spirit Born Again?...who does that?

Who makes our spirit Born Again?

2. then you tell me to prove it by using scripture.

You can't even get your own facts straight.

1. Your looking for stuff that is not there
2. You can not understand what people are saying
3. You make alot of stuff up

Once again no scripture to prove what I post is in error, just your usual opinion.

 

[Ritajanice]

Thank you Ritajanice, hope to be spending more time back on the boards.

It’s so GREAT to see our Brother in Christ back, you really have been missed!

I hope all is well with you and yours.x

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Never mind me...what does Gods word say...we must be Born Again..Born Of The Spirit?

Spirit gives birth to spirit....not my word my lovely ,Gods word.

Understood.

So if you doubt please don’t blame me..I post Gods truth..not my truth.

So tell me @Rella ~ I am a woman ....how are we Born Of The Spirit, if not by Gods Living Witness the Living Holy Spirit....do you think the Written word made your spirit Born Again, just by reading the written word?

I never suggested that

What is Born Again our intellect or our spirit?

spirit. I would think everyone would know that.

God has already given us the answer in his written word, which is backed up by Gods Living Witness His Holy Spirit.

What did Jesus say to Nicodemus about the wind?...do you limit Gods power?...to your own human understanding?

Just because Nick was told The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.... does not mean it will land on every person who may desire it to.

Don’t put words into my mouth..I never said you aren’t Born Again.

I post Gods word..now please show me where I don’t?..thank you.

And since God chose you and predestined you to become Born Again.... in such a remarkable way.... you, my friend... are a very lucky girl.

God did not predestine me to become born again. If he had I would have known.
Nothing miraculous happened in the way it did to you. So I wonder...

He did give me eyes to see, and ears to hear and a mind for understanding.

He also imparted the importance of the following as necessary for ones salvation.

“Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God” (Romans 10:17). That is the first step to being born again... “It pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe” (1 Corinthians 1:21).

And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him. (Hebrews 11:6)

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. (John 3:16-17)

ergo ~ We walk by faith, not by sight.

Have I been convicted by the Holy Spirit. Oh, my, yes. And not in any way that I want to share how or why.

This is important.... the work of the Holy Spirit. He definitely convicts: “And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment” (John 16:8).

I was changed. He changes me. He changes all of our wills, our affections, our objectives for living, our disposition. He gives us a new purpose and new goals. “Old things pass away, and everything becomes new” ( 2 Corinthians 5:17).

It is with great shame that I admit I resisted. But He was persistent and He got to me eventually.

Then He indwelled me.....

“Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?” (1 Cor 3:16)

Yes I know it is by my spirit I would be born again and not this wretched flesh and bones...
But it has always been by my faith and my belief in Jesus' shed blood that I have felt born again... yet you do not present it that way.

 

[Ritajanice]

Understood.

I never suggested that

spirit. I would think everyone would know that.

Apparently they don’t...Amen to spirit.you know him in your spirit as do I.

Just because Nick was told The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.... does not mean it will land on every person who may desire it to.

How could you desire the Holy Spirit to make your spirit Born Again ...without knowing you have been Born Of The Spirit?
We could only understand Jesus existed in our human intellect...which counts for nothing...we need to know him in our spirit.
You just voiced your opinion...that is how Jesus told Nicodemus we are Born Of The Spirit.

And since God chose you and predestined you to become Born Again.... in such a remarkable way.... you, my friend... are a very lucky girl.

Amen!

God did not predestine me to become born again. If he had I would have known.
Nothing miraculous happened in the way it did to you. So I wonder...

He did give me eyes to see, and ears to hear and a mind for understanding.

He also imparted the importance of the following as necessary for ones salvation.

“Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God” (Romans 10:17). That is the first step to being born again... “It pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe” (1 Corinthians 1:21).

And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him. (Hebrews 11:6)

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. (John 3:16-17)

ergo ~ We walk by faith, not by sight.

Have I been convicted by the Holy Spirit. Oh, my, yes. And not in any way that I want to share how or why.

This is important.... the work of the Holy Spirit. He definitely convicts: “And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment” (John 16:8).

I was changed. He changes me. He changes all of our wills, our affections, our objectives for living, our disposition. He gives us a new purpose and new goals. “Old things pass away, and everything becomes new” ( 2 Corinthians 5:17).

It is with great shame that I admit I resisted. But He was persistent and He got to me eventually.

Then He indwelled me.....

“Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?” (1 Cor 3:16)

Of course I know I am his temple, I know that in my spirit as I am Born Again...

Yes I know it is by my spirit I would be born again and not this wretched flesh and bones...
But it has always been by my faith and my belief in Jesus' shed blood that I have felt born again... yet you do not present it that way.

Thank you for posting your testimony .....and belief.

Everyone has their own testimony including me...no one can erase the truth of Gods word from our hearts....

We believe what we received and we have the backing of the Spirit as well as the written word.

May God Bless us all on our spiritual journey with Him.in Jesus Name!...Amen!

 

[Ritajanice]

It is with great shame that I admit I resisted. But He was persistent and He got to me eventually.

Then He indwelled me....

So then you too were chosen and predestined to become Born Again...as you have been Born Of The Spirit...it was His will that you became Born Again and you did...even though you say you resisted ...he eventually made your spirit Born Again.

He opened your heart to receive him, just like he did to Lydia....

That’s what I read into your post, just my opinion..no truth to it.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Where are they dead?

What in us is Born Again?

Your intellect?

THEY ARE DEAD.

WHOEVER does not believe is CONDEMNED ALREADY

Why is this fact so hard for you to grasp. what are you looking for?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You cannot understand God’s written word without His Spirit leading your spirit through it.

Who leads you through scripture..and where in you do you understand the written word...it’s a spiritual book..therefore the answer is an easy one.

No one can prove that they have been Born Of The Spirit.

What stuff..please explain?

The Bible is a spiritual book written under the influence of the Spirit..so how do we understand the written word of God..in our intellect?

Then please explain what stuff I am coming up with? Thank you.?

I am not sure who taught you. But you are thoroughly confused. and you keep looking for things that are not there..

Stop trying to think so hard. and take the word for what it is.

 

[Ritajanice]

THEY ARE DEAD.

WHOEVER does not believe is CONDEMNED ALREADY

Why is this fact so hard for you to grasp. what are you looking for?

What is dead in them?

What has to come Alive in you?

 

[Ritajanice]

I am not sure who taught you. But you are thoroughly confused. and you keep looking for things that are not there..

Stop trying to think so hard. and take the word for what it is.

As I have asked many times, let me know where I am confused and I will try and help you out using Gods written word?

Your opinions of what I post have no bearing they are just your own opinion

Who witnesses to our spirit that we are Gods children?

The written word or Gods Living witness His Holy Spirit?

The written word does not make your spirit come to life....do you understand that?

Who made your spirit come to life and breathed life into your ...... fill in the blanks?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Please show me where I denied the written word is needed..it is only needed so that we can grow and mature in Christ.

It is needed for alot more than this/

The most important thing you will ever do is through the word.

You teach an un- truth that one needs to read a Bible to be Born Of The Spirit..

I never said they need to read the bible.. They can hear the words of scripture from other people. whoever is witnessing to them whatever

But if they do not know the bible and the words in it. They do not know God. period.

being Born Of The Spirit is a supernatural/ spiritual Living birth, which you can’t seem to comprehend......

Your the one who does not understand it

Its the simplicity in christ. I was dead. I am now alive, I was born again, or born a second time

it’s a Living birth only Gods Living witness His Holy Spirit can bring our spirit Alive in Christ, when he makes our spirit Born Again by His supernatural powers...he does the will of the Father..I hope you know that.....he’s everywhere in Spirit....he’s not contained my friend....it’s Gods Living Witness His Living Holy Spirit who makes our spirit Born Again...the Bible can’t do that.....I mean you could be reading the Bible at the time Gods Witness His Living Holy Spirit makes your spirit Born Again.....the Bible is not the Living Holy Spirit, it’s his inspired Written word..it was written by men.who were under the influence of the Holy Spirit when they wrote it.

What do you think would happen to you if you never read the Bible?

I would be tossed to and fro and so may people could tell me things that they said were in the blible. or satan could be like a spirit of light, and deceive me

The written word does NOT make one’s spirit Born Again?...who does that?

Yawn

Who makes our spirit Born Again?

GOD MADE ME BORN AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Will you please just stop!!

I was made spiritually alive.. It just means I am no longer spiritually seperated from God.

If you would stop for just a minute and listen to some people you would see this, and stop looking for things that are not there

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What is dead in them?

What has to come Alive in you?

see what I mean?

THEY WERE DEAD

THEY WERE MADE ALIVE

there is nothing magical about it.

Your either dead or alive.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

As I have asked many times, let me know where I am confused and I will try and help you out using Gods written word?

I have showed you so many times I have lost count.

I can not make you see if you do not want to see

Your opinions of what I post have no bearing they are just your own opinion

Its ls the word of God.. You said Jesus words were my words.. That should give you pause, but you think your right and everyone else is wrong.

Who witnesses to our spirit that we are Gods children?

The written word or Gods Living witness His Holy Spirit?

The written word does not make your spirit come to life....do you understand that?

Who made your spirit come to life and breathed life into your ...... fill in the blanks?

I have answered these questions many times..

If you can;t see that, Then you will just keep going in circles and getting no where.

I can see why in the past you frustrated people so much.. I apologize to them for not listening to them.

 

[Ritajanice]

It is needed for alot more than this/

The most important thing you will ever do is through the word.

We are not Born Again by the written word, we have already been over this.

Please show using scripture that the written word made our spirit Born Again?

I never said they need to read the bible.. They can hear the words of scripture from other people. whoever is witnessing to them whatever

That is not how we are Born Of The Spirit.other people witnessing does not make your spirit Born Again.

But if they do not know the bible and the words in it. They do not know God. period.

No one knows God not until he makes our spirit Born Again by His Living Witness the Holy Spirit.

Reading your Bible does not mean that you know God in your spirit...that is where you need to know him and that is why we must be Born Of The Spirit...that’s how we know God not any other way

Your the one who does not understand it

Its the simplicity in christ. I was dead. I am now alive, I was born again, or born a second time

What was Born Again in you that you came to life in Christ?

I would be tossed to and fro and so may people could tell me things that they said were in the blible. or satan could be like a spirit of light, and deceive me

Show me where I err?

Yawn

GOD MADE ME BORN Will you please just stop!!

What did he make Born Again in you?.....I’m asking you a relevant question that is all?

I was made spiritually alive.. It just means I am no longer spiritually seperated from God.

If you would stop for just a minute and listen to some people you would see this, and stop looking for things that are not there

Stop what...I am posting the word of God...rebuking your un- truth that the written word is God.

It’s not....God is a Living Spirit and is everywhere...the witness of God who is the Living Holy Spirit is waiting in Spirit to do the will of the Father...when he makes an unbeliever become Born Of The Spirit.

 

[Ritajanice]

I have showed you so many times I have lost count.

You cannot show me anything..only the Living witness the Holy Spirit can testify Gods truth to my heart/ spirit.

I can not make you see if you do not want to see

You cannot make me see anything....you are a mere empty vessel...

Its ls the word of God.. You said Jesus words were my words.. That should give you pause, but you think your right and everyone else is wrong.

Please stick to the topic and not get personal , thanks.

I have answered these questions many times..

If you can;t see that, Then you will just keep going in circles and getting no where.

I can see why in the past you frustrated people so much.. I apologize to them for not listening to them.

Once again personal remarks..no scripture to back up your opinions of what I post.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

We are not Born Again by the written word, we have already been over this.

Your not born again apart from the written word.. Now whether you read the word or it was read or quoted to you. Thats a different topic

Please show using scripture that the written word made our spirit Born Again?

I never said it does.

You keep doing this, You read into what others say because you have programmed your mind into hearing only what you ant to hear.

If you want to counsel people. you need to learn hos to interpret what they say, You can;t keep saying the same old stuff over and over..as if it is what the other person said. when they never said anything like that

That is not how we are Born Of The Spirit.

We born with trusting the word given to us.

Your not born any other way. Since you were not there 2000 years ago., You only have his word

No one knows God not until he makes our spirit Born Again by His Living Witness the Holy Spirit.

Thats a lie, if we did not know God., we could never come to faith. if we are still in unbelief we are still dead.

Reading your Bible does not mean that you know God in your spirit...that is where you need to know him and that is why we must be Born Of The Spirit...that’s how we know God not any other way

What was Born Again in you that you came to life in Christ?

Show me where I err?

Stop what...I am posting the word of God...rebuking your un- truth that the written word is God.

It’s not....God is a Living Spirit and is everywhere...the witness of God who is the Living Holy Spirit is waiting in Spirit to do the will of the Father...when he makes an unbeliever become Born Of The Spirit.

I am done..

You will never understand until you open your mind.. Until then, No one can help you