Will the Jews build a Third Temple?

[Timtofly]

Maybe you ought to back up and read what you've said, that flesh entered Paradise with Enoch, and Elijah. If you had understood Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 15 you would have known flesh and blood cannot enter into the Heavenly. This is why Christ's Apostles saw Jesus' flesh body being 'transfigured' when the spirit bodies of Moses and Elijah appeared talking with Jesus...

Matt 17:1-4
1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,

2 And was transfigured before them: and His face did shine as the sun, and His raiment was white as the light.

3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with Him.

4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, "Lord, it is good for us to be here: if Thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for Thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias."
KJV

I never said Adam's dead corruptible flesh could enter heaven, so stop pretending I did.

God designed the sons of God to have physical bodies. They are in the image of Jesus' own physical body, received from God. Jesus never received a flesh and blood body from Adam. Jesus was God in human flesh, that was the image of the original sons of God created on the 6th day.

Enoch was changed out of Adam's flesh and blood into God's permanent incorruptible physical body.

Jesus' body did not change on the mount of Transfiguration. Jesus showed them what having the spirit means. Do you not understand that when each individual is glorified at the Second Coming, they put on the spirit, and shine as the stars?

Daniel wrote that:

"And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever."

Jesus said that:

"Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear."

When Jesus began to shine as the sun, that was what having on the spirit is suppose to be. John wrote that using symbolism, called a robe of white:

"And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season."

The physical body is not your spirit, and your spirit is not a physical body. Those white robes are not literal earth made garments. The spirit is put on over the body, and shines like the sun. God is light. God is the source of all light. The spirit is the direct image of God. God is called both spirit and light. Seems they should be synonymous terms, no? Spirit does not mean ghost or ethereal like humans associate with "lacking a body". The spirit is light as is the sun, and all other lights in the firmament, called stars. Angels are referred to as fiery spirits. That is what a star is, a fiery spirit/light. God is not a created star. A star is created in the image of God, because God is both light and spirit. Stars don't marry and procreate other stars. So in heaven, neither do humans marry and procreate. Humans don't become stars, they just stop procreating. But putting on the spirit, will make us shine like the stars, but we will not turn into stars. Jesus looked like the sun, Jesus did not turn into the sun. We will shine like the stars. We will not turn into stars.

Do you not see that stars can appear in human form, as messengers/angels? Stars don't turn into humans, when sent as an angel. Humans were also created to shine like stars in God's image, when the spirit is put on over the physical body. Stars do not have a physical body. They only appear to have one, when God sends them as messengers to the earth. You will always have a physical body. If you did not, you would stop being a son of God.

"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."

We don't appear as sons of God. Lacking the spirit, we don't shine like the sun as Jesus did. But at the Second Coming, we will, when we put on those "robes of white" as John indicated. At the Second Coming Jesus will come shining like the sun, like He did on the mount of Transfiguration. That is when death puts on life, because we will no longer be separated from our robe of white/spirit.

 

[Davy]

I never said Adam's dead corruptible flesh could enter heaven, so stop pretending I did.

No, you said it about Enoch and Elijah, and Moses.

And I quote... "Flesh did enter Paradise. Enoch entered. Moses entered. Elijah entered."

 

[Timtofly]

No, you said it about Enoch and Elijah, and Moses.

And I quote... "Flesh did enter Paradise. Enoch entered. Moses entered. Elijah entered."

They had a physical body when they entered Paradise, but not Adam's dead corruptible flesh, that you are referring to.

You think that Adam never had a physical body until he sinned, and then he was given flesh and blood, if you think flesh cannot enter Paradise, where the tree of life is.

Jesus had Flesh, no? That is what can enter heaven. Adam's flesh and blood were banned from Paradise. That is what cannot enter heaven. The ban is still in place and always will be in place, as long as there is a Paradise.

 

[Davy]

They had a physical body when they entered Paradise, but not Adam's dead corruptible flesh, that you are referring to.

That's not going to hide what you said. A physical body means... a flesh body. Look up the definition of the word physical. It refers to a flesh body of this world.

 

[Timtofly]

That's not going to hide what you said. A physical body means... a flesh body. Look up the definition of the word physical. It refers to a flesh body of this world.

So using human definitions to interpret God's Word instead of God's definitions?

No thanks.

Was Adam created with a physical body or only received a physical body when he disobeyed God?

 

[David in NJ]

So using human definitions to interpret God's Word instead of God's definitions?

No thanks.

Was Adam created with a physical body or only received a physical body when he disobeyed God?

Adam was created with a physical body.

 

[Davy]

Adam was created with a physical body.

Which means a flesh body, something every sane thinking person well knows.

 

[Timtofly]

Which means a flesh body, something every sane thinking person well knows.

So Adam was banned from heaven when he was created?

 

[Johann]

What 'some'?
ALL of what I wrote in #13 is from the Bible. It conflicts with your wrong beliefs, that's why you don't like it.

Your opinion, that denies Bible truths.
It is clearly stated in 2 Thess 2:4 that the Temple which the man of sin, [the Anti-Christ 'beast'] desecrates, is a physical Temple, in Jerusalem and dedicated to God.
This new Temple has to be built before Jesus Returns; all as described in Ezekiel 40 to 46.

You are correct, but consider this, this is a "man made" construction-who's builder is NOT YHVH.

 

[strepho]

Titus didn't completely destroy the walls. Remnants of the walls still stand at the current temple in Jerusalem.

Second thessalonians chapter 2

Satan as antichrist, abominations of desolation, in his role as antichrist will come 6th to Jerusalem. The current temple will be polluted.

Revelation 11:1

Reed is rod for destruction. It's measurement for destruction. Jesus at 7th trump will turn current temple, and wailing wall to dust.

Ezekiel chapter 40:48
Jesus will establish new temple, temporary, during millennium. Priests will teach the spirtualty dead during millennium.

The millennium is time of teaching and discipline for the spirtualty dead.

Hebrews chapter 5

After 20 years. Congregations should be teachers of God's word.

You must be trained by pastor.
You need holy spirit to understand Gods word.

Some people have spirit of stupor and cant understand.


The current temple will be dust at 7th trump.
Because, antichrist polluted the sanctuary and temple.

Jesus will establish new temple at 7th trump
This is the millennium.

 

[Keraz]

You are correct, but consider this, this is a "man made" construction-who's builder is NOT YHVH.

The new Temple will be built by the Christian peoples, Zechariah 6:15, it will be dedicated to God, 2 Thess 2:4, and the glory of God will come into it. Ezekiel 43:1-4
King Jesus will rule over the world for the next thousand years, from this Temple; Zechariah 14:16-21, Isaiah 21:1-4

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You are correct, but consider this, this is a "man made" construction-who's builder is NOT YHVH.

Then it can't be "the temple of God" that Paul referenced in 2 Thess 2:4. He didn't say "the fake temple of God". He said "the temple of God". It has to be a temple that God Himself would call His temple. What temple of God does God dwell in now? Not one made with hands.

2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

 

[covenantee]

The new Temple will be built by the Christian peoples, Zechariah 6:15, it will be dedicated to God, 2 Thess 2:4, and the glory of God will come into it. Ezekiel 43:1-4
King Jesus will rule over the world for the next thousand years, from this Temple; Zechariah 14:16-21, Isaiah 21:1-4

Not a chance.

But some never learn.

Sozomen (ca. A.D.375-447)
"Ecclesiastical History"
Book V, Chapter XXII

Though the emperor [Julian the Apostate] hated and oppressed the Christians, he manifested benevolence and humanity towards the Jews. He wrote to the Jewish patriarchs and leaders, as well as to the people, requesting them to pray for him, and for the prosperity of the empire. In taking this step he was not actuated, I am convinced, by any respect for their religion; for he was aware that it is, so to speak, the mother of the Christian religion, and he knew that both religions rest upon the authority of the patriarchs and the prophets; but he thought to grieve the Christians by favoring the Jews, who are their most inveterate enemies. But perhaps he also calculated upon persuading the Jews to embrace paganism and sacrifices; for they were only acquainted with the mere letter of Scripture, and could not, like the Christians and a few of the wisest among the Hebrews, discern the hidden meaning.

Events proved that this was his real motive; for he sent for some of the chiefs of the race and exhorted them to return to the observance of the laws of Moses and the customs of their fathers. On their replying that because the temple in Jerusalem was overturned, it was neither lawful nor ancestral to do this in another place than the metropolis out of which they had been cast, he gave them public money, commanded them to rebuild the temple, and to practice the cult similar to that of their ancestors, by sacrificing after the ancient way. The Jews entered upon the undertaking, without reflecting that, according to the prediction of the holy prophets, it could not be accomplished. They sought for the most skillful artisans, collected materials, cleared the ground, and entered so earnestly upon the task, that even the women carried heaps of earth, and brought their necklaces and other female ornaments towards defraying the expense. The emperor, the other pagans, and all the Jews, regarded every other undertaking as secondary in importance to this. Although the pagans were not well-disposed towards the Jews, yet they assisted them in this enterprise, because they reckoned upon its ultimate success, and hoped by this means to falsify the prophecies of Christ. Besides this motive, the Jews themselves were impelled by the consideration that the time had arrived for rebuilding their temple. When they had removed the ruins of the former building, they dug up the ground and cleared away its foundation; it is said that on the following day when they were about to lay the first foundation, a great earthquake occurred, and by the violent agitation of the earth, stones were thrown up from the depths, by which those of the Jews who were engaged in the work were wounded, as likewise those who were merely looking on. The houses and public porticos, near the site of the temple, in which they had diverted themselves, were suddenly thrown down; many were caught thereby, some perished immediately, others were found half dead and mutilated of hands or legs, others were injured in other parts of the body. When God caused the earthquake to cease, the workmen who survived again returned to their task, partly because such was the edict of the emperor, and partly because they were themselves interested in the undertaking. Men often, in endeavoring to gratify their own passions, seek what is injurious to them, reject what would be truly advantageous, and are deluded-by the idea that nothing is really useful except what is agreeable to them. When once led astray by this error, they are no longer able to act in a manner conducive to their own interests, or to take warning by the calamities which are visited upon them.

The Jews, I believe, were just in this state; for, instead of regarding this unexpected earthquake as a manifest indication that God was opposed to the re-erection of their temple, they proceeded to recommence the work. But all parties relate, that they had scarcely returned to the undertaking, when fire burst suddenly from the foundations of the temple, and consumed several of the workmen.

This fact is fearlessly stated, and believed by all; the only discrepancy in the narrative is that some maintain that flame burst from the interior of the temple, as the workmen were striving to force an entrance, while others say that the fire proceeded directly from the earth. In whichever way the phenomenon might have occurred, it is equally wonderful. A more tangible and still more extraordinary prodigy ensued; suddenly the sign of the cross appeared spontaneously on the garments of the persons engaged in the undertaking. These crosses were disposed like stars, and appeared the work of art. Many were hence led to confess that Christ is God, and that the rebuilding of the temple was not pleasing to Him; others presented themselves in the church, were initiated, and besought Christ, with hymns and supplications, to pardon their transgression. If any one does not feel disposed to believe my narrative, let him go and be convinced by those who heard the facts I have related from the eyewitnesses of them, for they are still alive. Let him inquire, also, of the Jews and pagans who left the work in an incomplete state, or who, to speak more accurately, were able to commence it.

 

[Keraz]

Not a chance.

Rather than address the Prophesies quoted, you put up a screed of ancient history. What happened circa 300 AD, has no effect on what will happen in our future.
Daniel 9:27 proves there will be a new physical Temple in Jerusalem.

What there is 'not a chance' of, is your belief of no Temple in the end times. The Temple is integral to the fulfilment of Prophecy and is the place where King Jesus will rule the world from.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Rather than address the Prophesies quoted, you put up a screed of ancient history. What happened circa 300 AD, has no effect on what will happen in our future.
Daniel 9:27 proves there will be a new physical Temple in Jerusalem.

What there is 'not a chance' of, is your belief of no Temple in the end times. The Temple is integral to the fulfilment of Prophecy and is the place where King Jesus will rule the world from.

Yet, that supposed temple would eventually be destroyed since there will be no temple on the new earth (Revelation 21:22). Why would Jesus ever rule from a temple that would later be destroyed?

Do you not know that we (the church) are the temple of God (2 Cor 6:16, Ephesians 2:19-22)? Why would Jesus ever need to dwell in a physical temple when He dwells now within us?

Acts 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet, 49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?

Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

 

[covenantee]

Rather than address the Prophesies quoted, you put up a screed of ancient history. What happened circa 300 AD, has no effect on what will happen in our future.
Daniel 9:27 proves there will be a new physical Temple in Jerusalem.

What there is 'not a chance' of, is your belief of no Temple in the end times. The Temple is integral to the fulfilment of Prophecy and is the place where King Jesus will rule the world from.

Sozomen ably addresses the Prophecies: "The Jews entered upon the undertaking, without reflecting that, according to the prediction of the holy prophets, it could not be accomplished."

And it wasn't, and it will not be.

You're espousing the expectations of the pharisaic antichrist. Why? You know better.

But as I said, some never learn.

Daniel 9:27: "...He shall make it desolate..."

And He did. In 70 AD and 363 AD.

If there's a next time, the outpouring of Divine Wrath will be something to behold.

I'll be stocked up on popcorn.

 

[Timtofly]

Yet, that supposed temple would eventually be destroyed since there will be no temple on the new earth (Revelation 21:22). Why would Jesus ever rule from a temple that would later be destroyed?

Yet every "temple body" you claim Jesus reigns from is destroyed at physical death. Why would Jesus' rule in your current temple that lasts less than a hundred years, be any different, than you alleging a Temple that will only last a thousand years?

That Temple during the Day of the Lord is not destroyed. There is no burnt offering at the end. Jesus hands back creation in a perfect made alive condition. Where is destruction mentioned in these verses:

"For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."

Certainly you would not interpret that as Jesus Himself being destroyed at the end?

Jesus subdues the creation, then Himself as the Word is made subject to God, so that only God remains as part of this creation. Nothing is destroyed. Creation just returns to God from where it came in Genesis 1:1.

Then only God and the dead standing before God exist.

But that is only for those dead standing before God. The rest of humanity, the living, those already made alive, immediately enter the NHNE. They skip that Judgment altogether.

Creation had already been returned to God, prior to John seeing the event of the dead being judged. Obviously death and sheol had been eliminated from creation, and was no longer part of what Jesus handed back to God. That is why John saw them as seperate from the creation that was no longer there.

 

[Davy]

So Adam was banned from heaven when he was created?

So you don't believe what Apostle Paul taught in 1 Corinthians 15 nor 2 Corinthians 5 about the spiritual body?

Did Apostle Paul say that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, or not? YES or NO?

 

[Timtofly]

So you don't believe what Apostle Paul taught in 1 Corinthians 15 nor 2 Corinthians 5 about the spiritual body?

Did Apostle Paul say that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, or not? YES or NO?

Paul was not talking about a physical body. Paul was talking about sin and corruption, that defined that physical body.

 

[Keraz]

Yet, that supposed temple would eventually be destroyed since there will be no temple on the new earth (Revelation 21:22). Why would Jesus ever rule from a temple that would later be destroyed?

Physical world now and until the end of the Millennium. - New Temple in Jerusalem, as clearly Prophesied.
Spiritual world into Eternity. - No Temple required.

Yet every "temple body" you claim Jesus reigns from is destroyed at physical death.

Good point.
We are Gods spiritual Temple on earth now. This does not preclude a new Temple being built in order to fulfil the prophesies of the end times. Zechariah 1:16....My house will be rebuilt in Jerusalem.....

Any further argument denying a new Temple, is a direct contradiction of scripture.