Why are some interpreters not being honest with the text involving Daniel 9:27?

[Spiritual Israelite]

Both of You seem stuck on one thing. And can not focus on the whole

Gabriel said 70 weeks are determined FOR YOUR PEOPLE AND YOUR HOLY CITY

And he said at the end of those 70 weeks all will be fulfilled.

If i say 7 things will happen. But only 1 has happened. It leaves the other 6 unfulfilled. Which means the prophecy is not yet fulfilled

for anyone to claim it is just based on that one thing, is nonsensical

It figures you would say that when you know that anything which occurs that fulfills any of those things listed in Daniel 9:24 has to fall within the 70 weeks somewhere. So, since it says the Messiah would be cut off AFTER the 69th week, that would put His death within the 70th week. And, since His death is necessary to fulfill at least part of what is prophesied to occur within the 70 weeks, you have to place His death somewhere within the 70 weeks. No wonder you want to try to brush this aside. You don't want to acknowledge that Jesus's death had to have occurred in the 70th week if His death fulfilled anything in Daniel 9:24.

The only nonsensical thing here is you not acknowledging that Jesus's death occurred within the 70th week.

 

[jeffweeder]

Yet everything that was said would be completed has not yet been completed.

If one thing happened in the seventieth week then the rest of them would have happened in that same 70th week.

Jesus accomplished and secured full redemption.


Heb 9
11 But when Christ appeared as a High Priest of the good things to come [that is, true spiritual worship], He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not a part of this [material] creation. 12 He went once for all into the Holy Place [the Holy of Holies of heaven, into the presence of God], and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, having obtained and secured eternal redemption [that is, the salvation of all who personally believe in Him as Savior].


Will his second coming continue to deal with sin and redemption?

Heb 9
24 For Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but [He entered] into heaven itself, now to appear in the very presence of God on our behalf; 25 nor did He [enter into the heavenly sanctuary to] offer Himself again and again, as the high priest enters the Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. 26 Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer over and over since the foundation of the world; but now once for all at the consummation of the ages He has appeared and been publicly manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27 And just as it is appointed and destined for all men to die once and after this [comes certain] judgment, 28 so Christ, having been offered once and once for all to bear [as a burden] the sins of many, will appear a second time [when he returns to earth], not to deal with sin, but to bring salvation to those who are eagerly and confidently waiting for Him.

 

[jeffweeder]

That determines nothing towards proving the false theory that Jesus' Ministry continued into the 70th week. It does not tell us when John said that.

It tells you that Jesus as the anointed one, began his ministry at his Baptism.


"UNTIL MESSIAH" is only realized after the 69 weeks thanks to the prophetic word given to John.


31 I did not recognize Him [as the Messiah]; but I came baptizing in water so that He would be [publicly] revealed to Israel.”
32 John gave [further] evidence [testifying officially for the record, with validity and relevance], saying, “I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven, and He remained upon Him.

33 I did not recognize Him [as the Messiah], but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, ‘He upon whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this One is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’ 34 I myself have [actually] seen [that happen], and my testimony is that this is the Son of God!”

The moment had arrived after the 69th week, just like John expected.

Dan 9
25 So you are to know and understand that from the issuance of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until [the coming of] the Messiah (the Anointed One), the Prince, there will be seven weeks [of years] and sixty-two weeks [of years];

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It figures you would say that when you know that anything which occurs that fulfills any of those things listed in Daniel 9:24 has to fall within the 70 weeks somewhere. So, since it says the Messiah would be cut off AFTER the 69th week, that would put His death within the 70th week.

Normally, yet it would. But if, after the 69th week, the time clock stopped. Which Jesus said in his cry over jerusalem. That they should have known this time, but now it will be hidden from them, that it did stop, Then it would not be within the literal 70 week period.

And, since His death is necessary to fulfill at least part of what is prophesied to occur within the 70 weeks, you have to place His death somewhere within the 70 weeks.

No I do not.

You have to. Otherwise your belief falls apart. But I do Not have to. Nor does anyone else.

No wonder you want to try to brush this aside. You don't want to acknowledge that Jesus's death had to have occurred in the 70th week if His death fulfilled anything in Daniel 9:24.

I do acknowledge that it had something to do, What I do not acknowledge is that daniels 70 weeks are fulfilled.

The only nonsensical thing here is you not acknowledging that Jesus's death occurred within the 70th week.

In your mind

But let me tell you what is nonsensical.

70 weeks are determined for YOU PEOPLE, and YOUR HOLY CITY.

Its nonsensical to say it is determined for Jesus, Its nonsensical to say it is for the church

To make an end of sins,

its nonsensical looking at Daniels people today. And the Holy City which has a pagan Islamic temple on what she considers the holy place. To say that Israel and or jerusalem has made an end of her sins. She is still in her sins..

To make reconciliation for iniquity,

Jesus made the way by paying the price of iniquity. But has israel been redeemed? According to Paul, who quotes another prophet who speaks concerning this same time. She has not (rom 11) the deliver will come out of Zion.. and all israel will be saved. It’s nonsensical to say Israel. Who is still in her sin, has found her redeemer, Its nonsensical to say this concerns the church. Which has zero context in Dan 9

To bring in everlasting righteousness,

Again, Jesus has nto come to earth. He has not set up his kingdom. And he has not set up everlasting righteousness concerning Daniels people and daniels holy city, which still lays desolate. Its nonsensical to think otherwise

To seal up vision and prophecy,

There is still quite a Bit of prophecy concerning the end time, and the final state of Daniels people and holy city. It is nonsensical to spiritualize it all away, because it does not fit our narrative or belief system, and just make it appear as if it was fulfilled. When it has not yet been completed.


And to anoint the Most Holy.

God made a covenant with King David. That his seed would sit in his throne and rule the world. Prophets say jesus will come in the clouds at the end of this 3.5 year period given to the final beast of Daniel. And as a stone crush the gentile kingdoms in one swoop. And Nebachadnezars statue will blow away in the wind as if it never existed. and he will st up his own kingdom in righteousness and anointed king of the earth. Families of the world will visit hom once a year, and be punished if they do not. He will rule with a rod of Iron. And satan will be bound so he can not decieve the nations.. It’s nonsensical to say any of this has occurred. Even more nonsensical to say it is occurring now. And the most nonsensical to say it will not occured just as God said it would.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If one thing happened in the seventieth week then the rest of them would have happened in that same 70th week.

I agree in part.

But none of it has been competed.(see my last post) and even if one did occure, it does not mean they all had too.

There is 70 weeks given to complete all of them.. one of the could have occured int he 1st week. It would not matter

Jesus accomplished and secured full redemption.

Yes he did. But Israel is still in her sin, So while he accomplished her redemption. He has not redeemed the people. Because they have not yet repented.

But take pauls warning, and do not be proud. For when the time of the gentile is fulfilled 9at the return of Christ) All Israel will be saved. The redeemer will come from Zion. And Israel will make an end of her sins

Will his second coming continue to deal with sin and redemption?

Jesus came the first time to offer redemption to the world

When he comes the second time, he will rule the world. And judge it righteously, ruling wiht a rod of Iron..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It tells you that Jesus as the anointed one, began his ministry at his Baptism.


"UNTIL MESSIAH" is only realized after the 69 weeks thanks to the prophetic word given to John.


31 I did not recognize Him [as the Messiah]; but I came baptizing in water so that He would be [publicly] revealed to Israel.”
32 John gave [further] evidence [testifying officially for the record, with validity and relevance], saying, “I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven, and He remained upon Him.

33 I did not recognize Him [as the Messiah], but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, ‘He upon whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this One is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’ 34 I myself have [actually] seen [that happen], and my testimony is that this is the Son of God!”

The moment had arrived after the 69th week, just like John expected.

1. No where in the OT did it say messiah would come at his baptism by anyone
2. The OT does however tell us WHEN the messiah will come and how. Zech 9: 9. And jesus came just like he said, at the end of the 69th week. Riding on a donkey

The jews should have known this, their time, but they were unwilling, so it is hidden from the for a time.

Luke 13: 34 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her brood under herwings, but you were not willing! 35 See! Your house is left to you desolate; and [k]assuredly, I say to you, you shall not see Me until the timecomes when you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

Jesus even hints at what Paul hinted at.. The restoration. or All Israel being saved, because they repent.

Dan 9
25 So you are to know and understand that from the issuance of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until [the coming of] the Messiah (the Anointed One), the Prince, there will be seven weeks [of years] and sixty-two weeks [of years];

Yes, this was fulfilled literally when he rode into Jerusalem on a donkey. just as prophesied.

of note. before this time, Jesus continued to say, "it is not my time"


It was not his time, because the time had not yet come..

 

[Davy]

What you have shown is that you are a rude hothead who thinks you know it all while you know very little. Your arguments are weak.

So says one who is stuck on listening to men's doctrines instead staying in God's written Word asking God's help.

If you only knew how The Holy Spirit is waiting to be your Guide, then you might begin to realize that I don't have to claim how much I know, which I never do. It is YOUR wanting to see me as a 'know-it-all' because of 'another spirit' that is in you, when you should instead be busy studying God's Word to confirm if what I teach is written or not.

 

[covenantee]

To bring in everlasting righteousness,

Again, Jesus has nto come to earth. He has not set up his kingdom. And he has not set up everlasting righteousness concerning Daniels people and daniels holy city, which still lays desolate. Its nonsensical to think otherwise

Romans 3:22
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Romans 4:5
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Romans 5:17
For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)


Lots of righteousness there.

Including among those of Daniel's people who believed.

Who put it there?

How did it get there?

If it is not everlasting righteousness, as you claim, then when did it end?

 

[Davy]

It tells you that Jesus as the anointed one, began his ministry at his Baptism.

And that proves just what... toward men's false theory that Jesus' Ministry was the 70th week? It doesn't prove anything.

"UNTIL MESSIAH" is only realized after the 69 weeks thanks to the prophetic word given to John.

You are addressing the Daniel 9:25 verse without continuing with the Daniel 9:26 verse which actually reveals that the "threescore and two" weeks ended with Christ's crucifixion. Doing that is NOT how one keeps God's Word as written.

Men that pull out a single verse and apply a meaning that goes outside the chapter context use that to push Satan's doctrines all the time.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

As to this part in question---and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate---there are ways to interpret that without having to take it in a literal sense. Clearly, if one is applying that part to 70 AD, not only would it be outside of the 70 weeks, it would be being taken in the literal sense per that interpretation since 70 AD involved literal events.

But if we apply that part to 2 Thessalonians 2:4 instead and what all that involves, now we are no longer obligated to take that part in a literal sense. Not unless you are a Preterist or a Pretribber. Thankfully, not all of us are either of those.

As per the "Timing of the 70th week", Gabriel tells Daniel there will be 70, 7s and he then gives them unto us in three different prophetic utterances, not ONE (that's why its three Prophetic timelines with only two of them conjoined or continual). So, the Wall being rebuilt is 7 x 7 that is (look closely) then continued without a break in the Prophetic Utterance, so even though its three prophesies, two are back to back we know by the way Daniel was given these by Gabriel in LIKE MANNER BELOW:

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off(Killed for us sinners), but not for himself:

THE ABOVE should be where the verse SPLITS, part of 26 goes with 25 the other part should go with 27 or could be a stand alone verse without the above portion of the verse.

and the people(Romans) of the prince(Anti-Christ/Beast) that shall come(2000 or so years later) shall destroy the city and the sanctuary(in 70 AD); and the end thereof shall be with a flood(Roman led armies destroy Jerusalem and the Temple), and unto the end of the war desolations are determined(The Diaspora).

27 And he(the prince that SHALL COME 2000 years later some odd years later, see above) shall confirm the covenant(Agreement/Covenant)) with many(Israel and Many other Nations see Daniel 11:40-43) for one week(7 Years): and in the midst(1290 which is 30 days before THE EXACT MIDDLE) of the week he shall cause(the A.C. Orders the False Prophet to STOP Jesus Worship by the Jews who have just repented) the sacrifice(Jesus) and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation(until the 1290 days are over at the 2nd coming), and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

So, Gabriel defines 70 - 7s and Three Different Prophesies, NOT ONE CONTINUAL PROPHESY, that comes from men's thinking, not God. Now, as we can see by looking very, very closely, two of the prophesies are BUNCHED TOGETHER signifying its one continual string of years, then we get the jump to the End Time Anti-Christ, which is NOT BUNCHED with the other two at all.

The Church Age was inserted, a people God had not known were now called into service. Take out the Church Age and the Statue FITS TOGETHER. Take out the Church Age and the Anti-Christs kingdom on a map will look just like it left off when Rome fell as a Beast.

Rome in 117 AD



The Anti-Christs Kingdom as the E.U. Beast Conquers Turkey (Dan. 8:9) and the MANY Countries to get at Israel as Daniel 11:40-43 shows us. He also conquers all of North Africa. He can not conquer Ammon, Moab & Edom who just so happen to be where the children of Israel flees unto, in the Jordan mountains.

As soon as the Rapture happens, or should I say this Agreement (Covenant) in which Israel joins the E.U. causes the Rapture AND the 70th week to kick off at the exact same time. Thus as soon as the Agreement sets everything into motion, there will be a false 1260 day Agreement, which the A.C. will eventually renege on and go forth Conquering (as Dan. 11:40-43 shows) Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria to get at Israel, then he will conquer all of North Africa.

Thus take out the Church Age and both the Statue and the Four Beasts MESH as one continuous Prophesy. Thus the Fulness of the Gentiles is speaking about SERVICE in Romans 11. Reread Romans 9 and 10, God chose Jacob over Esau, God is the Potter who chooses, God hardened Pharaohs heart, thus those three chapters are all about SERVICE unto God so when Paul speaks about the Times of the Gentiles he's speaking about the Church Age SERVICE unto God by the Gentile Church. Only after the Rapture will Israel repent and be grafted back in to the family tree.

If prophesy was easy everyone would understand it.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So says one who is stuck on listening to men's doctrines instead staying in God's written Word asking God's help.

If you only knew how The Holy Spirit is waiting to be your Guide, then you might begin to realize that I don't have to claim how much I know, which I never do. It is YOUR wanting to see me as a 'know-it-all' because of 'another spirit' that is in you, when you should instead be busy studying God's Word to confirm if what I teach is written or not.

Matthew 7:1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

You're playing with fire, buddy.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Normally, yet it would. But if, after the 69th week, the time clock stopped. Which Jesus said in his cry over jerusalem. That they should have known this time, but now it will be hidden from them, that it did stop, Then it would not be within the literal 70 week period.

Total nonsense. Any other made up stories you'd like to share to try to hide the fact that you don't even have the most significant event in the history of the world anywhere within the 70 weeks?

But let me tell you what is nonsensical.

70 weeks are determined for YOU PEOPLE, and YOUR HOLY CITY.

Its nonsensical to say it is determined for Jesus, Its nonsensical to say it is for the church

How do you figure? Do you not even say yourself that Jesus made reconciliation for iniquity? But, you're trying to tell me that He has nothing to do with that prophecy? You're contradicting yourself. It's all about what Jesus would do for those people and that city! He did what they could not do for themselves.

To make an end of sins,

its nonsensical looking at Daniels people today. And the Holy City which has a pagan Islamic temple on what she considers the holy place. To say that Israel and or jerusalem has made an end of her sins. She is still in her sins..

They will never be literally sinless while still alive in their mortal bodies on the earth. That is ludicrous. Do you think Romans 3:23 will no longer apply to them at some point? Such nonsense.

No, that is about Jesus making an end of sins by way of His death on the cross which provided for the forgiveness of sins.

John 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

Acts 3:25 And you are heirs of the prophets and of the covenant God made with your fathers. He said to Abraham, ‘Through your offspring all peoples on earth will be blessed.’ 26 When God raised up his servant, he sent him first to you to bless you by turning each of you from your wicked ways.”

To make reconciliation for iniquity,

Jesus made the way by paying the price of iniquity. But has israel been redeemed? According to Paul, who quotes another prophet who speaks concerning this same time. She has not (rom 11) the deliver will come out of Zion.. and all israel will be saved. It’s nonsensical to say Israel. Who is still in her sin, has found her redeemer, Its nonsensical to say this concerns the church. Which has zero context in Dan 9

You are all over the place. You are very confused. Are you saying this part of the prophecy is fulfilled or not? Yes or no? Has reconciliation been made for iniquity or not? Yes or no? I believe it clearly has been by Jesus.

Romans 5:10 For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! 11 Not only is this so, but we also boast in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.

To bring in everlasting righteousness,

Again, Jesus has nto come to earth. He has not set up his kingdom. And he has not set up everlasting righteousness concerning Daniels people and daniels holy city, which still lays desolate. Its nonsensical to think otherwise

It's nonsensical to think that everlasting righteousness would be brought in in a literal sense a thousand years before this:

Revelation 20:7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.

No, in a literal sense everlasting righteousness will not be brought in until the new heavens and new earth ushered in. But, that isn't the way to understand what the prophecy is talking about. Like the other things listed, it's talking about the way for everlasting righteousness to be brought in, which is what Jesus did by dying on the cross and being raised from the dead.

To seal up vision and prophecy,

There is still quite a Bit of prophecy concerning the end time, and the final state of Daniels people and holy city. It is nonsensical to spiritualize it all away, because it does not fit our narrative or belief system, and just make it appear as if it was fulfilled. When it has not yet been completed.

This is only talking about that particular vision and prophecy and it was sealed up long ago. You take the entire prophecy out of context.

And to anoint the Most Holy.

God made a covenant with King David. That his seed would sit in his throne and rule the world.

And that is exactly what happened, as Peter explained here:

Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

As we can see here scripture teaches that Jesus was the descendant of King David who was raised up to sit on his throne and it says He was raised up to sit on his throne by way of His resurrection from the dead.

Prophets say jesus will come in the clouds at the end of this 3.5 year period given to the final beast of Daniel. And as a stone crush the gentile kingdoms in one swoop. And Nebachadnezars statue will blow away in the wind as if it never existed. and he will st up his own kingdom in righteousness and anointed king of the earth. Families of the world will visit hom once a year, and be punished if they do not. He will rule with a rod of Iron. And satan will be bound so he can not decieve the nations.. It’s nonsensical to say any of this has occurred. Even more nonsensical to say it is occurring now. And the most nonsensical to say it will not occured just as God said it would.

Did you forget what you posted before going on this rant? What does any of that have to do with anointing the most Holy?

Anointing the most Holy is a reference to the anointing of Jesus. What else could it refer to?

Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You are addressing the Daniel 9:25 verse without continuing with the Daniel 9:26 verse which actually reveals that the "threescore and two" weeks ended with Christ's crucifixion. Doing that is NOT how one keeps God's Word as written.

Men that pull out a single verse and apply a meaning that goes outside the chapter context use that to push Satan's doctrines all the time.

You need to stop lying about the timing of Christ's death in relation to the "threescore and two weeks". It does NOT say He would be cut off at the end of that time! That is a lie! It says He would be cut off at some point AFTER that time ended. Do you really think you are in a position to tell others anything when you tell this lie repeatedly? Think again.

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

 

[Davy]

Matthew 7:1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

You're playing with fire, buddy.

Not at all, because the idea of Matthew 7:1 is about us NOT judging anyone to 'condemnation' in the future "lake of fire". I didn't judge you in that, and have never done that to anyone.

You simply don't understand the idea of Biblical judgment and no doubt think judgment is always a dirty word when it used both ways, condemnation of the wicked, OR the rewards handed out to Christ's servants at His future return.

So don't think for one moment that I cannot tell if you have actually studied God's Word for yourself by The Holy Spirit or instead just follow men's word. Those of us that have studied God's Word and listen to The Holy Spirit can easily tell when someone like you comes along pushing men's doctrines.

 

[Davy]

You need to stop lying about the timing of Christ's death in relation to the "threescore and two weeks". It does NOT say He would be cut off at the end of that time! That is a lie! It says He would be cut off at some point AFTER that time ended. Do you really think you are in a position to tell others anything when you tell this lie repeatedly? Think again.

You are the one telling LIES against the Daniel 9 Scripture, simply because you follow a certain group of deceivers from Satan's servants that try to slander Christ's Ministry.

Everything below in 'red' is about Jesus Christ's crucifixion at the end of the 69th week.

Everything in 'green' in verse 26 is about the Roman general Titus and his army that destroyed Jerusalem and the 2nd temple in 70 A.D.

Everything in 'orange' is about the FINAL Antichrist that is to come at the END of this world. The "he" of verse 27 is linked to the idea of "the prince that shall come" as a TYPE for the final Antichrist at the END of this world.

Dan 9:26-27
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
KJV

Thus Satan's servants that are falsely teaching you that Christ's Ministry extended into that final "one week" (70th week) only teach that LIE in order to slander Christ's Ministry that ended with the 69th week. They do not want you to grasp what I showed you above from the Daniel 9:26-27 Scripture.

Furthermore, the events of the Dan.9:27 verse are detailed in Daniel 11 of what the "vile person" is to do at the END with placing the abomination that maketh desolate. And because Lord Jesus quoted about that "abomination of desolation" being setup in Jerusalem for the END, He was showing HIS elect that Dan.9:27 verse is about the coming FINAL ANTICHRIST at the end of this world.

If you don't understand that, which apparently you do not, but instead default to your blind teachers, then it means God didn't give you ears to hear, and eyes to see, God having blinded you for His purpose.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

You need to stop lying about the timing of Christ's death in relation to the "threescore and two weeks". It does NOT say He would be cut off at the end of that time! That is a lie! It says He would be cut off at some point AFTER that time ended. Do you really think you are in a position to tell others anything when you tell this lie repeatedly? Think again.

I have been called to preach and to prophesy for nigh 40 years, it always amuses me when a "Christian" calls a brother a liar, especially when he is also in error. Jesus died after 62 plus 7 weeks or 483 years, just like the wall was finished after 7 x 7 or 49 years not sometime in INFINITY !!

The Prophesy is about Israel repenting, not Jesus dying for all mankind's sin. Abraham was already forgiven because he BELIEVED in the Promise (of the lamb to come). So, forgiveness was already in the cars to all who believe. You need to check yourself about calling brothers liars, what good is it (even if you were right on something, unlike this) when you come off more like unto a worldly man. Do you realize Jesus could have called all men liars? Instead when Peter cut off the ear, Jesus rebuked Satan the liar.

Chill out man, be Christ like first, that is our first calling, to be like our Master.

 

[jeffweeder]

Men that pull out a single verse and apply a meaning that goes outside the chapter context use that to push Satan's doctrines all the time.

Lol.
You are the one doing that. You have Messiah cut off before he even arrives.

I am using both texts to put forth my argument.

25 So you are to know and understand that from the issuance of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until [the coming of] the Messiah (the Anointed One), the Prince, there will be seven weeks [of years] and sixty-two weeks [of years]; it will be built again, with [a city] plaza and moat, even in times of trouble.

Messiah comes AFTER the 7and 62 weeks

26 Then after the sixty-two weeks [of years] the Anointed One will be cut off [and denied His Messianic kingdom] and have nothing [and no one to defend Him], and the people of the [other] prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary.

Messiah cut off AFTER the 7and 62 weeks.

 

[covenantee]

You are the one telling LIES against the Daniel 9 Scripture, simply because you follow a certain group of deceivers from Satan's servants that try to slander Christ's Ministry.

Apparently you consider the entire historical orthodox true Christian Church to be "a certain group of deceivers from Satan's servants".

Because, unlike you, they did not believe that Christ is antichrist.

Provide one, just one, name of a recognized historical Christian expositor before the 19th century, who ascribed Daniel 9:27 to antichrist.

Just one name.

If you cannot, we know who is following "a certain group of deceivers from Satan's servants".

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Total nonsense. Any other made up stories you'd like to share to try to hide the fact that you don't even have the most significant event in the history of the world anywhere within the 70 weeks?

Whatever . Its obvious you do not care what the word says.

I did not make anything up. My interpretation flows with the passage and the rest of scripture.


I can not resolve your believe with the rest of scripture. or even in context of the passage.

How do you figure? Do you not even say yourself that Jesus made reconciliation for iniquity? But, you're trying to tell me that He has nothing to do with that prophecy? You're contradicting yourself. It's all about what Jesus would do for those people and that city! He did what they could not do for themselves.

Yawm.. I feel like I am talking to a child. You keep making things up in order to remain in your belief like your buddies do.

It says, FOR YOUR PEOPLE AND YOUR HOLY CITY.

It does not say for the messiah.

Messiah is part of the prophecy. but he is not the purpose of the prophecy.. Thats where you make a left turn and get away from what the prophecy means

They will never be literally sinless while still alive in their mortal bodies on the earth. That is ludicrous. Do you think Romans 3:23 will no longer apply to them at some point? Such nonsense.

Who said they would be?

What was their sin, what was David praying for? What was he confessing?

You need to start at verse one. Not verse 24.

No, that is about Jesus making an end of sins by way of His death on the cross which provided for the forgiveness of sins.

No it is not.. But if you want to believe that way feel free

John 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

Acts 3:25 And you are heirs of the prophets and of the covenant God made with your fathers. He said to Abraham, ‘Through your offspring all peoples on earth will be blessed.’ 26 When God raised up his servant, he sent him first to you to bless you by turning each of you from your wicked ways.”

This is all true. But not what the prophecy is about.

You are all over the place. You are very confused. Are you saying this part of the prophecy is fulfilled or not? Yes or no? Has reconciliation been made for iniquity or not? Yes or no? I believe it clearly has been by Jesus.

When Payul said that All Israel would be saved, that the redeemer would come out of Zion. Had not Jesus already died?

He spoke of a future event in romans 11.

Again, Your stuck on your belief system and can not open your mind..

Romans 5:10 For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! 11 Not only is this so, but we also boast in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.


It's nonsensical to think that everlasting righteousness would be brought in in a literal sense a thousand years before this:

Everlasting righteousness is speaking of the 1000 years where the world will worship him..

Its not when we were saved.

again, Your context is messed up. so you can;t see

Revelation 20:7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.

No, in a literal sense everlasting righteousness will not be brought in until the new heavens and new earth ushered in. But, that isn't the way to understand what the prophecy is talking about. Like the other things listed, it's talking about the way for everlasting righteousness to be brought in, which is what Jesus did by dying on the cross and being raised from the dead.

No, it is not about the way.

I can;t help you until you look at the real context of the passage.. Your making it a salvation issue. its not. It is about Israel doing what they are supposed to do and confessing there sin, and saying blessed is he who comes in the name of the lord.. At which point, God will restore them.

This is only talking about that particular vision and prophecy and it was sealed up long ago. You take the entire prophecy out of context.

That would be what you are doing

And that is exactly what happened, as Peter explained here:

Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Excuse me sir

Jesus is not ruling in Jerusalem
He is not ruling on Davids throne
He is not ruling with a rod of Iron.

So. Not, it has not yet been fulfilled.

As we can see here scripture teaches that Jesus was the descendant of King David who was raised up to sit on his throne and it says He was raised up to sit on his throne by way of His resurrection from the dead.

BUT HE IS NOT SITTING ON DAVIDS THRONE!!

Davids throne is not in heaven.

Did you forget what you posted before going on this rant? What does any of that have to do with anointing the most Holy?

Anointing the most Holy is a reference to the anointing of Jesus. What else could it refer to?

Jesus has not yet been anointed king

He was anointed savior. the lamb of God who takes away the sin.

Learn the difference.

Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

Non of that says he was anointed king.

Next!!!!!!!

 

[covenantee]

BUT HE IS NOT SITTING ON DAVIDS THRONE!!

Davids throne is not in heaven.

David's literal physical throne was destroyed thousands of years ago.

How will Jesus sit on it?