Time frames we have to work with

[Timtofly]

The gathering of the armies at Armageddon takes a lot more than a day.

Not if God is gathering them. You do realize that the east is just across the Euphrates River, not thousands of miles away?

They could have been waiting at the river already as the river is even closer than Iran is. Is should only take a few hours from the Euphrates to the valley of Megiddo.

 

[Gottservant]

I'm not sure if someone else has said this but there is a verse in Revelation about angels being sent out to pour wrath on Creation - and there are other similar things that happen for a duration. Then there are the verses where God says "I will be" (a fire) or "I am" (before Abraham), which are close to God both in time and weight of meaning.

 

[Douggg]

Not if God is gathering them. You do realize that the east is just across the Euphrates River, not thousands of miles away?

They could have been waiting at the river already as the river is even closer than Iran is. Is should only take a few hours from the Euphrates to the valley of Megiddo.

Tim, the sixth vial verses are about...

verse 12 - a prelude to Armageddon, not actually Armageddon itself. In the prelude, is the Daniel 11:40-44 battles when the kings from the north, south, east try to dislodge the beast king in Jerusalem. The kings of the east, their armies are the 200,000, 000 who will kill a third of man kind on their way to fight against the beast king.

verses 13-16 - are about the preparation to gather the armies of the world to Armageddon to make war on Jesus.

What will happen (verse 12) is that the kings of the earth will try to dislodge the beast king from power. While they are battling, suddenly, without warning the sixth seal event takes place and the world sees the sign of the Son of Man in heaven, Jesus, glorified radiantly, sickle in hand.

Terrified by the cosmic threat, the kings of the earth all unite, take council (Psalms 2:2) together in a big meeting in Jerusalem where the beast, the false prophet, and the dragon (Satan in the living statue image) put together a plan to make war on Jesus.

So from the time the world first sees Jesus in heaven until he descends to earth will be 45 days. During which the armies of the world mobilize their forces into the valley of Meggido. And also go down and surround Jerusalem, where the kings of the earth will be along with the beast, the false prophet, and Satan, and the armies will act as a defense shield. Also to take half of the city of Jews there as hostages.

On the day that Jesus returns, he descends to earth, the Mt. of Olives, and these things will happen...

 

[Timtofly]

Tim, the sixth vial verses are about...

After 42 months the only people on earth, will be concentrated in the ME.

"And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty."

Those who come from the north and east have to cross the Euphrates. The only other area is Egypt and the Arabian Peninsula. There is a small area in Turkey and Syria between the Mediterranean and the Euphrates.

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, the text of Daniel 8:14 says 2300 days. There is nothing in the text of Daniel saying that the days represents years.
The little horn person would not even live 2300 years.

Your first assumption that is wrong is that the Little Horn is a person when in reality the Little Horn is a fallen angle who rebelled with Satan against God. Therefore, the Little Horn will still be a living entity right up and until he is dispatched into the lake of fire.

The trampling of Jerusalem for 42 months in Revelation 11:2 will be during the 42 months reign of the beast.

Douggg, you are forgetting that the Time of the Gentiles' trampling God's earthly hosts, i.e., Israel will have run for 2,300 years under the influence of the Little Horn, and that it does not end until the conclusion of the sixth age of mankind which is also at the end of the fourth age of the existence of Israel. This also ties in with the Hosea 6:1-3 and the Lamentation 5:19-22 which indicate when the end of their trampling by the Gentiles will end. It is my understanding that the end of the sixth age will occur around 20 years from now and the seventh age will then begin with the kings of the earth and the heavenly hosts being imprisoned in the Bottomless pit for 1,000 year.

You are 1,000 years ahead of what is happening today when you make reference to Revelation 11:2. My post was clearly talking about the present time and the present trampling of the Israelites.

Well, first of all, I don't think you have the technical ability to make a visual diagram like the one I did.

Oh Douggg just like your diagrams, they show that you do not have the grey matter to generate the end time timeline.

I do have a diagram that shows the seven ages and I provided a post where I showed that that the River of life in Ez 47:1-12 flows over the escarpment into the valley below and brings healing in the year, by my calculations, around the year 7,168 after the creation of Adam. My diagram is too detailed and too large to be able to shrink to a size that would work on this forum to see the details that I have put into the diagram.

Secondly, I understand what you are saying, but it is a collection of mis-understandings and mis-interpretations of the verses.

Douggg, that is just your opinion without any justification on your part to back up your claim.

The seventh Bowl judgement occurred predominately in the last century while the Sixth Bowl judgement is still unfolding at this present time with the gathering of the kings of the earth at Armageddon occurring in around 20 years time. From what I understand from your diagram(s) you believe that the Gathering of the kings of the earth at Armageddon is still over 1,000 years into our future.

The kings of the world are still trampling Israel today and at Armageddon they will be judged for these trampling of Israel. If I am wrong and this does not happen in around 20 years' time, then you can message me on this forum and tell me that I was. Until then we are bot presenting hypothesis which in around twenty years will knock one of us out as being a fraudster with their posts of strewth. Strewth is still the best word to describe our respective posts until they are proved one way of the other of being Gospel.

Goodbye

 

[Jay Ross]

I use the kjv. The word "strewth" is not in the kjv I looked it up online, and it seems to be an Australian slang term. I live in the United States and the word is not used here.

Well, it is a great word to describe the "truth" of your politicians' utterances.

 

[ScottA]

No, I am not a retired astronaut.

Doug, I have something for you to do.

This is the key to your so called time frames:

When Paul would not give glory to himself, who did he say he would give glory to? Research it and know the truth.

 

[Douggg]

Doug, I have something for you to do.

This is the key to your so called time frames:

When Paul would not give glory to himself, who did he say he would give glory to? Research it and know the truth.

Scott, they are not "my timeframes". They are taken from the text of the bible.

Look at the diagram below of the end times time frames given in the bible. See the summary I made beside each time frame of what those verses are about, like "gentiles trample Jerusalem" ?

I did that so that the reader would be able to know generally what each particular time frame was about quickly without having to go look it up. Knowing that is the key. Knowing what the text is about.

I would say the key is to pray to God to receive understanding of the end times events leading up to His Kingdom come, His will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Thank Him first for everything He has done for you.

 

[Douggg]

From what I understand from your diagram(s) you believe that the Gathering of the kings of the earth at Armageddon is still over 1,000 years into our future.

No, my diagrams do not show Armageddon as being 1000 years into the future.

Armageddon at it's nearest is 7 years from now. Armageddon at it's furthermost is by the end of 2037.

I do have a diagram that shows the seven ages and I provided a post where I showed that that the River of life in Ez 47:1-12 flows over the escarpment into the valley below and brings healing in the year, by my calculations, around the year 7,168 after the creation of Adam. My diagram is too detailed and too large to be able to shrink to a size that would work on this forum to see the details that I have put into the diagram.

seven ages of what ?

 

[ScottA]

Scott, they are not "my timeframes". They are taken from the text of the bible.

Look at the diagram below of the end times time frames given in the bible. See the summary I made beside each time frame of what those verses are about, like "gentiles trample Jerusalem" ?

I did that so that the reader would be able to know generally what each particular time frame was about quickly without having to go look it up. Knowing that is the key. Knowing what the text is about.

I would say the key is to pray to God to receive understanding of the end times events leading up to His Kingdom come, His will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Thank Him first for everything He has done for you.


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If those are the trees, what then is the forest?

I have not been referring to the tree or forest view, but to the aerial view and beyond.

Did you only mean to show the path, or also the destination (which is preceded by one step you seem to have left out)? All of what you have outlined only points to what is most important, which is--not the battles, but the finish.

 

[Douggg]

If those are the trees, what then is the forest?

I have not been referring to the tree or forest view, but to the aerial view and beyond.

Did you only mean to show the path, or also the destination (which is preceded by one step you seem to have left out)? All of what you have outlined only points to what is most important, which is--not the battles, but the finish.

Scott, you seem to be looking for attention.

 

[Jay Ross]

Armageddon at it's nearest is 7 years from now. Armageddon at its furthermost is by the end of 2037.

Well, then our respective understanding on when Armageddon will occur is within the same ballpark. I am suggesting that it will occur around 20 years from now whereas you are claiming that it will occur sometime between 7 to13 years from now. After Armageddon the judged fallen angels will be in the Bottomless pit for 1,000 years with the judged kings of the earth. So, our timeline for when the kings of the earth, the beast, the Little Horn/False Prophet and Satan will then be able to roam all over the earth will begin around the year 3,037 until the final judgement over a period of time of around 24 years by my estimation. Now my estimation is that Adam was created around the year 4,100 BC so that the total duration from the creation of Adam until the final judgement is around 4,100 plus your 3037 and plus my estimation of the little while period of 24 years means that this total timespan is around 7,161 years. So, if each age is a little longer than 1,000 years than there are seven ages then we are presently coming to the end of the present sixth age with the seventh age beginning immediately after the completion of the sixth age.

You asked -

seven ages of what ?

With seven ages, then each age will be around 1,024 years in duration. During the first age, God rested from His work of Creation. This is confirmed in Genesis if we follow the storyline presented. Isaac was born after the conclusion of the first two ages. Need I keep going?

The problem with your lack of understanding of God's timeline is an issue that is squarely in your court. But for me, I am happy to simply wonder at God's handy work and how His plan of redemption is still unfolding which will end with the final judgement of all of mankind.'

Goodbye.

 

[ScottA]

Scott, you seem to be looking for attention.

Yes, I was hoping to get your attention -- that you might shift gears to that which is more applicable to these present times, and be of more help.

Have I not outlined the matter in terms of yesterday, today, and forever, showing you how each day and time has its own purpose; and that yesterday has passed?

 

[Douggg]

With seven ages, then each age will be around 1,024 years in duration. During the first age, God rested from His work of Creation. This is confirmed in Genesis if we follow the storyline presented. Isaac was born after the conclusion of the first two ages. Need I keep going?

The problem with your lack of understanding of God's timeline is an issue that is squarely in your court. But for me, I am happy to simply wonder at God's handy work and how His plan of redemption is still unfolding which will end with the final judgement of all of mankind.'

Jay, perhaps you did not understand my question of "seven ages of what?' What overall are the seven ages about ?

And describe each of the seven ages, as to it's specific feature. In dispensationalism (I am not a dispensationalist) each dispensation has a specific feature, such as, the dispensation of the law, the dispensation of grace, the dispensation of the kingdom, etc.

first age....... ?????????? feature
second age .........?????????? feature
third age...........????????? feature
fourth age...........????????? feature
fifth age...............???????? feature
sixth age.............?????????? feature
seventh age..........????????? feature

 

[Douggg]

Yes, I was hoping to get your attention -- that you might shift gears to that which is more applicable to these present times, and be of more help.

Have I not outlined the matter in terms of yesterday, today, and forever, showing you how each day and time has its own purpose; and that yesterday has passed?

Scott, this thread is about the time frames given in the bible specific to the end times. There are 15 in the whole bible. 16 if a person were to include the millennium following Jesus's return.

If you want to talk about another topic(s), such as your philosophy on life, then please start another thread.

 

[Douggg]

I am suggesting that it will occur around 20 years from now whereas you are claiming that it will occur sometime between 7 to13 years from now

Jay, you said you had a diagram of the seven ages, but was too massive to be displayed in this forum. Is your diagram done by hand, i.e. pen/pencil/paper ? Or it is done by computer graphics program?

Since you anticipate 20 years still remaining, I suggest getting a graphics program like Corel Paintshop Pro, downloadable from Amazon, and learn how to use it. And put your diagram into a form that can be posted

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My view of not later than 2037 is based on the parable of the fig tree generation that Jesus said would not pass away without seeing His Return.

When the fig tree begins to blooms in spring, summer is near. The fig tree represents Jerusalem, and it being back in the hands of the Jews in 1967. A generation is 70 years long, Psalms 90:10.

So 1967 + 70 years = 2037.

subtract 7 years for the end times time frames on the diagram to take place - and the beginning of the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27 will be not later that the end of 2030.

 

[ScottA]

Scott, this thread is about the time frames given in the bible specific to the end times. There are 15 in the whole bible. 16 if a person were to include the millennium following Jesus's return.

If you want to talk about another topic(s), then please start another thread.

Okay. As you were--As everything was, then. Have it your way.

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, you said you had a diagram of the seven ages, but was too massive to be displayed in this forum. Is your diagram done by hand, i.e. pen/pencil/paper ? Or it is done by computer graphics program?

It was created using a graphical package and since I used 1 mm to represent each year, the length of the timeline graphic is over 7 metres long, so, to reduce that to viewed on a phone screen means that resolution of the phone is not good enough to be able to be seen easily on the screen of a phone. My Timeline starts with the creation of Adam and ended with the GWTR judgement. The seventh age has no real features that can be shown to occur during the 1,000 years that Satan, the False Prophet, the beast and the kings of the earth are imprisoned. During the Little While period there are lots of things happening after the Bottomless pit is unlocked starting with the kings of the earth tormenting the people who do not have the seal of God on them, followed by the four beasts etc. Now since you do not accept that there is a seventh age, what you present has no referenced points that you can tie your timeline too. Because of that you have a problem with your diagram of missed matched scriptures to deal with and as such your "diagram" is missing the key points of the End Time Prophecies.

It seems that we have come to the point where I should simply let you sink into your very own quagmire because oof your own intransient characteristics.

Goodbye

 

[Douggg]

It was created using a graphical package and since I used 1 mm to represent each year, the length of the timeline graphic is over 7 metres long, so, to reduce that to viewed on a phone screen means that resolution of the phone is not good enough to be able to be seen easily on the screen of a phone.

What about on a 23 inch computer monitor screen ?

Jay, you say "graphical package", are you meaning a computer program ?

Jay, here is an outline you can use, and as you can see it can fit on the screen. Right click on it and save to your computer. Then open it in your graphics program and type in each rectangle a brief summary of what each age is about.
Save it. Then come and insert it in to a post, using icon at the top of your post screen next to the smiley face. So everyone will know what you are talking about - the seven ages.

btw, I used the "epic pen" downloadable program to make a copy of the screen. It is real easy to use.

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, perhaps you did not understand my question of "seven ages of what?' What overall are the seven ages about ?

And describe each of the seven ages, as to it's specific feature. In dispensationalism (I am not a dispensationalist) each dispensation has a specific feature, such as, the dispensation of the law, the dispensation of grace, the dispensation of the kingdom, etc.

first age....... ?????????? feature
second age .........?????????? feature
third age...........????????? feature
fourth age...........????????? feature
fifth age...............???????? feature
sixth age.............?????????? feature
seventh age..........????????? feature

I have all/most of the biblical events from the scriptures stored within an Excell spreadsheet which has been used as a Database to provide a chronological picture of what has happened since the creation of Adam and have extended this using prophecy to fill in the gaps until the final judgement of all of the people in Revelation 20 with the corresponding scriptures noted. I have also correlated some of the Oral Traditions of the Israelites into this spreadsheet as well to provide a cross-reference for some of the events matched to each other in the records.

What you are asking for is not as simple as you are suggesting, however below is an attempt to provide what you are asking for: -

first age.......

the creation of Adam at the very end of the sixth day of creation and God’s day of rest ?????????? feature

second age .........

God reviews his creation, sees that they have become evil and so instigated the Flood to start again, Then called Abraham to begin a new plan for Salvation of the peoples of the earth ?????????? feature

third age...........

The confirmation of the Abrahamic Covenant with the birth of Isaac at the beginning of this age, Abrahams’s descendants going down to Egypt and God’s removal of the nation of Israel with his might hand, the establishment of a Kingdom of Priests, A Holy Nation and God’s possession among the nations covenant, which they rebelled against. The crossing over of the River Jorden to take possession of the Gen 15:17-21 promised land ????????? feature

fourth age........

King David was born at the beginning of this age, he completed the establishment of Israel’s dominion all of all of the prescribed Land in Genesis 15. King David received the promise that Israel would retain the Land of Canaan for a period. King Solomon built the Temple and the united kingdom was split in two and the Promised land was stripped from the Israelites. Solomon was warned by God that if Israel continued with their idolatrous worship that God would destroy the temple and scatter the nation of Israel to the four corners of the earth. Around the centre point of this age, Judah was taken into exile and after 70 years they were released to return and to restore/rebuild the Temple. While in exile Daniel wrote a number of prophecies that are still unfolding even today.

Around the year 250 BC, the trampling of God’s Sanctuary and His earthly hosts began. ...????????? feature

fifth age...........

Christ’s birth occurred at the very beginning of this age, and he was crucified when he was around 33 years of age to change to make reconciliation for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint a scared place {as being} Holy.

In 70 AD the Temple was levelled and Israel, i.e., both the kingdoms of Israel and Judah, was scattered to the four corners of the earth. ....???????? feature

sixth age..........

The visitation of the iniquities of the Israelite fathers continued in this age, which is the fourth age/generation of the existence of the nation of the Israelite people and they continued to walk contrary to God. Babylon was remembered once more before God in 1926 AD to receive his wrath once more. In 1948 some of Abraham’s descendants returned to the land of Canaan in their own strength and Jerusalem was split into three partitions.

During this age God’s earthly hosts have been continually trampled and around the end of this age the Kings of the earth will be gathered, after trampling Israel for 2,300 years, at Armageddon to be judged and at the same time the heavenly hosts will be judged in heaven and together with the kings of the earth they will be imprisoned for many days, i.e., for 1,000 years, to await the time of their punishment. ...?????????? feature

seventh age......

When the fullness with respect to time of the Gentiles’ trampling Israel is completed, then after that all of Israel will be saved. God will once more begin to gather all of Israel to Himself and will plant them in His fertile fields and will teach them on the foundational truth that Jesus is the Son of God where they are found scattered throughout the whole earth and will sprinkle them with water to cleanse them and will make like new again the Kingdom of Priests, a holy nation and God’s possession among the nations again that Israel had rejected at Mt Sinai. There will be peace on the earth for 1,000 years during the time of the great harvest of souls until the Bottomless pit is unlocked when, during the little while period, the End Time Prophecies begin to unfold until such time that the beast and the false prophet is captured and dispatched into the Lake of Fire to then be followed by Satan as he too is also dispatched into the Lake of fire.

Then after the clean-up of the earth of all of the bodies, Christ will return with all of the heavenly hosts to begin judging all the peoples of the earth and those who are determined to be unrighteous will be dispatched into the Lake of Fire and those who are deemed to be righteous will enter into God’s Everlasting Kingdom. ....????????? feature

Douggg, this is very much a short version of the event that occur in the respective seven ages and as such I make no claim that I have provided all of the happenings that may have occurred in any of the seven ages and I accept that there may be omissions in the above.