Time frames we have to work with

[Douggg]

I have all/most of the biblical events from the scriptures stored within an Excell spreadsheet which has been used as a Database to provide a chronological picture of what has happened since the creation of Adam and have extended this using prophecy to fill in the gaps until the final judgement of all of the people in Revelation 20 with the corresponding scriptures noted. I have also correlated some of the Oral Traditions of the Israelites into this spreadsheet as well to provide a cross-reference for some of the events matched to each other in the records.

What you are asking for is not as simple as you are suggesting, however below is an attempt to provide what you are asking for: -

first age.......

the creation of Adam at the very end of the sixth day of creation and God’s day of rest ?????????? feature

second age .........

God reviews his creation, sees that they have become evil and so instigated the Flood to start again, Then called Abraham to begin a new plan for Salvation of the peoples of the earth ?????????? feature

third age...........

The confirmation of the Abrahamic Covenant with the birth of Isaac at the beginning of this age, Abrahams’s descendants going down to Egypt and God’s removal of the nation of Israel with his might hand, the establishment of a Kingdom of Priests, A Holy Nation and God’s possession among the nations covenant, which they rebelled against. The crossing over of the River Jorden to take possession of the Gen 15:17-21 promised land ????????? feature

fourth age........

King David was born at the beginning of this age, he completed the establishment of Israel’s dominion all of all of the prescribed Land in Genesis 15. King David received the promise that Israel would retain the Land of Canaan for a period. King Solomon built the Temple and the united kingdom was split in two and the Promised land was stripped from the Israelites. Solomon was warned by God that if Israel continued with their idolatrous worship that God would destroy the temple and scatter the nation of Israel to the four corners of the earth. Around the centre point of this age, Judah was taken into exile and after 70 years they were released to return and to restore/rebuild the Temple. While in exile Daniel wrote a number of prophecies that are still unfolding even today.

Around the year 250 BC, the trampling of God’s Sanctuary and His earthly hosts began. ...????????? feature

fifth age...........

Christ’s birth occurred at the very beginning of this age, and he was crucified when he was around 33 years of age to change to make reconciliation for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint a scared place {as being} Holy.

In 70 AD the Temple was levelled and Israel, i.e., both the kingdoms of Israel and Judah, was scattered to the four corners of the earth. ....???????? feature

sixth age..........

The visitation of the iniquities of the Israelite fathers continued in this age, which is the fourth age/generation of the existence of the nation of the Israelite people and they continued to walk contrary to God. Babylon was remembered once more before God in 1926 AD to receive his wrath once more. In 1948 some of Abraham’s descendants returned to the land of Canaan in their own strength and Jerusalem was split into three partitions.

During this age God’s earthly hosts have been continually trampled and around the end of this age the Kings of the earth will be gathered, after trampling Israel for 2,300 years, at Armageddon to be judged and at the same time the heavenly hosts will be judged in heaven and together with the kings of the earth they will be imprisoned for many days, i.e., for 1,000 years, to await the time of their punishment. ...?????????? feature

seventh age......

When the fullness with respect to time of the Gentiles’ trampling Israel is completed, then after that all of Israel will be saved. God will once more begin to gather all of Israel to Himself and will plant them in His fertile fields and will teach them on the foundational truth that Jesus is the Son of God where they are found scattered throughout the whole earth and will sprinkle them with water to cleanse them and will make like new again the Kingdom of Priests, a holy nation and God’s possession among the nations again that Israel had rejected at Mt Sinai. There will be peace on the earth for 1,000 years during the time of the great harvest of souls until the Bottomless pit is unlocked when, during the little while period, the End Time Prophecies begin to unfold until such time that the beast and the false prophet is captured and dispatched into the Lake of Fire to then be followed by Satan as he too is also dispatched into the Lake of fire.

Then after the clean-up of the earth of all of the bodies, Christ will return with all of the heavenly hosts to begin judging all the peoples of the earth and those who are determined to be unrighteous will be dispatched into the Lake of Fire and those who are deemed to be righteous will enter into God’s Everlasting Kingdom. ....????????? feature

Douggg, this is very much a short version of the event that occur in the respective seven ages and as such I make no claim that I have provided all of the happenings that may have occurred in any of the seven ages and I accept that there may be omissions in the above.

Jay, what it appears that you have done is a self-initiative undertaking to create 7 ages from the bible of this present earth.

From reading through your post, a further consolidation of the 7 ages you created, appears to me to be....

first age - the week of creation
second age - the flood up through Abraham's life
third age - Abrahamic covenant through to the bondage in Egypt and then the Exodus to the promised land
fourth age -King David's, Solomon's, reigns, then Israel divided into 2 kingdoms, then through the time of the captivities
fifth age - Jesus's first coming through the 70 AD event and the Jews taken captive into the nations
sixth age - the dispersed people of Israel into the nations time, up to the return of the Jews back into the land in 1948
seventh age - the time of the end

Now back to the topic of this thread, the time of the end time frames

 

[Jay Ross]

Now back to the topic of this thread, the time of the end time frames

Well then when does Jesus return as per your diagram? When does the time of the end occur. You have only shown that it has a duration of 7 years. Where are the other years of the Little While period of time?

 

[Douggg]

Well then when does Jesus return as per your diagram? When does the time of the end occur. You have only shown that it has a duration of 7 years. Where are the other years of the Little While period of time?

Yes, Jesus returns at the end of the time-frames as shown on the diagram.

The millennium is after Jesus's return. The short time that Satan will be given after the millennium is over is not part of the 7 year 70th week.

As far as a calendar time frame of the 7 year 70th week, containing the time frames on the diagram, to begin will be not later than the end of 2030 according to the parable of the fig tree.

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Jay, you should be looking at the 7 year Ezekiel 39:9 time frame. And the 7 months Ezekiel 39:12 time frame. They both start right after the Gog/Magog event. Russia will be involved. Russia is in a conflict with Ukraine. If Russia disengages and brings their troops back to Russia - in Ezekiel 38:4, hooks will be put into their jaws and be drawn back down into the middle east for the Gog/Magog event to take place

 

[BlessedPeace]

I think Preterism has it right. Circuitous language enables the reader to infer a contemporary narrative is unfolding.

Centuries have passed since John penned the text. Relaying messages to,as example,the church in Smyrna back then would make sense. While over a millennia later it doesn't.

 

[Douggg]

I think Preterism has it right. Circuitous language enables the reader to infer a contemporary narrative is unfolding.

Centuries have passed since John penned the text. Relaying messages to,as example,the church in Smyrna back then would make sense. While over a millennia later it doesn't.

This thread is obvious not about the preterist point of view. Please open another thread and talk about preterism all you want.

 

[Jay Ross]

Yes, Jesus returns at the end of the time-frames as shown on the diagram.

The millennium is after Jesus's return. The short time that Satan will be given after the millennium is over is not part of the 7 year 70th week.

As far as a calendar time frame of the 7 year 70th week, containing the time frames on the diagram, to begin will be not later than the end of 2030 according to the parable of the fig tree.

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Jay, you should be looking at the 7 year Ezekiel 39:9 time frame. And the 7 months Ezekiel 39:12 time frame. They both start right after the Gog/Magog event. Russia will be involved. Russia is in a conflict with Ukraine. If Russia disengages and brings their troops back to Russia - in Ezekiel 38:4, hooks will be put into their jaws and be drawn back down into the middle east for the Gog/Magog event to take place

Douggg, you are in no position to give me advice on the end times as you are not able to see God's Salvation plan unfolding and have placed the millennium after Jesus' return whereas I firmly believe that the millennium rule of Christ occurring before his second advent when He will judge all of mankind.

In Rev 19 we have this prophecy: -

Rev 19:17-21: - Defeat of the Beast and False Prophet

17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out in a loud voice to all the birds flying overhead, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings and commanders and mighty men, of horses and riders, of everyone slave and free, small and great.”

19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies assembled to wage war against the One seated on the horse, and against His army. 20 But the beast was captured along with the false prophet, who on its behalf had performed signs deceiving those who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. Both the beast and the false prophet were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulphur. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword that proceeded from the mouth of the One seated on the horse.

And all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

Which aligns with

Ezekiel 39:3-5: - 3 Then I will knock the bow out of your left hand and cause the arrows to fall out of your right hand. 4 You shall fall upon the mountains/mountain/religion of Israel, you and all your troops and the peoples who are with you; I will give you to birds of prey of every sort and to the beasts of the field to be devoured. 5 You shall fall on the open field; for I have spoken,"

Our differences are great in our understanding of the End times.

Goodbye

PS Edited to add missing sentences that connected the two passages together that are in Rev 19. Thanks Dougggg

 

[Douggg]

Douggg, you are in no position to give me advice on the end times as you are not able to see God's Salvation plan unfolding and have placed the millennium after Jesus' return whereas I firmly believe that the millennium rule of Christ occurring before his second advent when He will judge all of mankind.

In Rev 19 we have this prophecy: -

Rev 19:19-21: - ]/b] 19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies assembled to wage war against the One seated on the horse, and against His army. 20 But the beast was captured along with the false prophet, who on its behalf had performed signs deceiving those who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. Both the beast and the false prophet were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulphur. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword that proceeded from the mouth of the One seated on the horse.

Which aligns with

Ezekiel 39:3-5: - 3 Then I will knock the bow out of your left hand and cause the arrows to fall out of your right hand. 4 You shall fall upon the mountains/mountain/religion of Israel, you and all your troops and the peoples who are with you; I will give you to birds of prey of every sort and to the beasts of the field to be devoured. 5 You shall fall on the open field; for I have spoken,"

Our differences are great in our understanding of the End times.

Goodbye

No, Revelation 19:21 does not correspond to Ezekiel 39:3-5. Ezekiel 39:3-5 is the Gog/Magog event. Revelation 19:21 is 7 years later, at Jesus's Second Coming.

Revelation 19:17-18 corresponds to Ezekiel 39:17-20 at the end of the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9 on the diagram. Jesus's Second Coming is in Ezekiel 39:21-29.

Revelation 19:
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

corresponds to...

Ezekiel 39:
17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.
18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.
19 And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.
20 Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD.

 

[Douggg]

@Jay Ross

Ezekiel 39 breakdown:

In Ezekiel 39, the destruction of Gog's army verses 1-6
In Ezekiel 39, then followed by 7 years verses 9-10 (the 70th week )
In Ezekiel 39, then the Armageddon event verses 17-20
In Ezekiel 39, then Jesus's return to this earth verses 21-29, His Second Coming

 

[BlessedPeace]

This thread is obvious not about the preterist point of view. Please open another thread and talk about preterism all you want.

:)
Imagine if you are wrong.

 

[Douggg]

:)
Imagine if you are wrong.

I don't think I have that strong of imagination. But one thing I don't do is call you names and make degrading remarks about your intelligence, just because I disagree with the preterist position.

I am trying to keep this thread on track with the end times time frames we have in the bible to work with.

If you want to talk about preterism, please start another thread. I am sure you will get a lot participation.

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[Jay Ross]

No, Revelation 19:21 does not correspond to Ezekiel 39:3-5. Ezekiel 39:3-5 is the Gog/Magog event. Revelation 19:21 is 7 years later, at Jesus's Second Coming.

Doug, I went and edited the post that you had commented on as I had omitted the last sentence of the quoted Rev 19:21 verse. I also added verses 17 and 18 as you suggested in my post. as these sentences linked the two scriptures together that showed that they were presenting the same event in both scripture passages. If you were an expert on the end times as you claim you are, then you would have pointed out my omission rather than have posted your rant.

However, the image that you keep adding to your posts is so very wrong because of your faulty imaginations.

Goodbye

 

[Jay Ross]

@Douggg your post #101 above is misrepresenting what I had presented as the headline for each of the seven ages.

It is so sad that you resort to distortion to try and justify your faulty understanding re the end times.

Ezekiel 39 breakdown:

In Ezekiel 39, the destruction of Gog's army verses 1-6
In Ezekiel 39, then followed by 7 years verses 9-10 (the 70th week )
In Ezekiel 39, then the Armageddon event verses 17-20
In Ezekiel 39, then Jesus's return to this earth verses 21-29, His Second Coming

Ezekiel 39:17-20 A Triumphant Festival

17 "And as for you, son of man, thus says the Lord God, 'Speak to every sort of bird and to every beast of the field:
"Assemble yourselves and come;
Gather together from all sides to My sacrificial meal
Which I am sacrificing for you,
A great sacrificial meal on the mountains of Israel,
That you may eat flesh and drink blood.
18 You shall eat the flesh of the mighty,
Drink the blood of the princes of the earth,
Of rams and lambs,
Of goats and bulls,
All of them fatlings of Bashan.
19 You shall eat fat till you are full,
And drink blood till you are drunk,
At My sacrificial meal
Which I am sacrificing for you.
20 You shall be filled at My table
With horses and riders,
With mighty men
And with all the men of war," says the Lord God.

How is this event describing the Judgement of the Gentile kings of the earth for having trampled God's sanctuary and His earthly Hosts.

Your assembling of the scriptures to justify your imagination and thoughts bears no real alignment with God's prophetic words.

Goodbye Douggg, I am afraid that you do not listen to what others might be telling you about your errors on the End Times

 

[Douggg]

If you were an expert on the end times as you claim you are, then you would have pointed out my omission rather than have posted your rant.

Jay, there was not rant in my post. I am in control of my emotions. You are the one using emotional Australian slang, and also your reacted to my post #101 with a angry emoticon.

How is this event describing the Judgement of the Gentile kings of the earth for having trampled God's sanctuary and His earthly Hosts.

Revelation 19:17-18 is the Lord's response to the kings of the earth assembling their armies at Armageddon to make war on Him (Jesus).

Ezekiel 39:17-20 A Triumphant Festival

No, those verses are about them who are about to enter the winepress of God's wrath.

Your assembling of the scriptures to justify your imagination and thoughts bears no real alignment with God's prophetic words.

Jay, instead of making meaningless charges, why don't you get a graphics program like Corel Paintshop Pro, available at Amazon, learn how to use it, and put together a timeline of events like I have done, but in the order you see the end times prophecies fitting together. Become pro-active.

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, instead of making meaningless charges, why don't you get a graphics program like Corel Paintshop Pro, available at Amazon, learn how to use it, and put together a timeline of events like I have done, but in the order you see the end times prophecies fitting together. Become pro-active.

A graphic cannot demonstrate how much we understand the end times, particularly when our understanding of the timeline for the end times is so wrong like yours.

Now you complained that I had left an angry mojo on you post where you deliberated changed/shortened what I had written concerning what occurred during each age such that the context of what I had written was changed to suit your POV and understanding.

Reading the bible is like reading a novel, the story jumps back and forth in time, and we must be astute enough to be able to discern this. The book of Revelation is not a sequentially presented story but rather the events portrayed in Revelation are told to us such that the time element in the book of Revelation moves back and forth over a time span of an age, nominally over 1,024 years. For example Rev 19 spans the whole of the seventh age. as does Rev 20 but you do not see the Book of Revelation this way at all.

In Ezekiel 34, from memory, God promises after He gathers Israel to Himself, that He will grant Israel peace on the earth for a period of time, nominally, for 1,000 years, by the removal of the beasts that have exercised their influence over the peoples of the earth, but you believe that the "beasts" are human entities rather than heavenly entities. You also do not understand that Satan is presently empowering his good and faithful servants to impede God's establishment of His Everlasting Kingdom on the earth, while Satan is imprisoned in the Bottomless pit for a time.

It is time for us both to discontinue this discourse as it is not progressing anywhere fast.

Goodbye

 

[Douggg]

A graphic cannot demonstrate how much we understand the end times, particularly when our understanding of the timeline for the end times is so wrong like yours.

Jay, you would not be making my timeline charts, but yours.

Reading the bible is like reading a novel, the story jumps back and forth in time and we must be astute enough to be able to discern this.

Well, make some time line charts and show your astuteness.

 

[Jay Ross]

Well, make some time line charts and show your astuteness.

I do by painting word pictures.

Again, it is time for us both to discontinue this discourse as it is not progressing anywhere fast.

Goodbye

 

[BlessedPeace]

I don't think I have that strong of imagination.

That's a sin.
Point of note: that is not calling you names nor making disparaging remarks. That's noting the fault of ego and pride.

But one thing I don't do is call you names and make degrading remarks about your intelligence, just because I disagree with the preterist position.

I am trying to keep this thread on track with the end times time frames we have in the bible to work with.

If you want to talk about preterism, please start another thread. I am sure you will get a lot participation.

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"But one thing I don't do is call you names and make degrading remarks about your intelligence, just because I disagree with the preterist position."

You addressed that to the wrong member.

 

[Douggg]

Which aligns with

Ezekiel 39:3-5: - 3 Then I will knock the bow out of your left hand and cause the arrows to fall out of your right hand. 4 You shall fall upon the mountains/mountain/religion of Israel, you and all your troops and the peoples who are with you; I will give you to birds of prey of every sort and to the beasts of the field to be devoured. 5 You shall fall on the open field; for I have spoken,"

Those verses are referring to the dead bodies of Gog's armies, of the Gog/Magog event. Their burial is in verse 11 and 12, Israel will spend 7 months burying the Gog/Magog event bodies.

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Gog/Magog is then followed by 7 years in verse 9. Those 7 years correspond to the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27.

In the aftermath of the destruction of Gog's armies, the prince who that shall come in Daniel 9:26 will come from Europe, bringing a EU army with him into the middle east on the premise of being a peace keeper for the region. He will be perceived by the Jews to be the promised King of Israel messiah.

He will perceive himself as being the promised messiah as well. He will confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant for 7 years (by making a big speech from the temple mount), and the 7 years 70th week will begin.

On my diagram, is the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27, right above the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:7 - because they are one and the same 7 years.

 

[Douggg]

I do by painting word pictures.

Words alone are inadequate.

Have you ever heard the expression - "a picture is worth a thousand words" ?

 

[TribulationSigns]

Those verses are referring to the dead bodies of Gog's armies, of the Gog/Magog event. Their burial is in verse 11 and 12, Israel will spend 7 months burying the Gog/Magog event bodies.

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Gog/Magog is then followed by 7 years in verse 9. Those 7 years correspond to the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27.

In the aftermath of the destruction of Gog's armies, the prince who that shall come in Daniel 9:26 will come from Europe, bringing a EU army with him into the middle east on the premise of being a peace keeper for the region. He will be perceived by the Jews to be the promised King of Israel messiah.

He will perceive himself as being the promised messiah as well. He will confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant for 7 years (by making a big speech from the temple mount), and the 7 years 70th week will begin.

On my diagram, is the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27, right above the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:7 - because they are one and the same 7 years.

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Once again, to insist that the final week of Daniel 9:27 is 7 literal years long is a false doctrine of Premillennialism. And Mount Sinai is not the covenant of Daniel 9:27 with your fantasy king of Israel as "antichrist," "beast", "little horn" etc. Not going to happen like you believe.