Why are some interpreters not being honest with the text involving Daniel 9:27?

[Truth7t7]

True. That was when the Old Testament Israel fell with their stones (representing people/builders of the congregation) because the kingdom representative was taken from Israel and gave it others in three days (Church). Israel as a nation, no longer represents God's kingdom at the Cross.

I disagree with much of your symbolic allegory

Do you believe in a future second coming of Jesus in the heavens, where human eyes on earth will see his return?

 

[covenantee]

Ahhh...there were "LOTS" of stones left standing, one upon another after 70 AD. And many still left standing one upon another 2000 years later.

Are you referring to the Western Wall?

 

[wooddog]

Jews are no more chosen than Chinese, Africans, Hispanics, White, or any other race upon earth

For God so loved the "World"

God has no respect for person based upon race

Jesus isn't coming back to Taiwan, Nigeria, Mexico, or Canada. I believe he said Israel.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Was the birth of Christ a physical and spiritual event?

What does the birth of Christ has to do anything with subject being discussed. Nothing.

Perhaps you need to read my post and think carefully:

And before you start rationalizing how those stones were not of the main Temple building like so many others, please pay careful attention that Christ spoke not only of the Temple, its buildings, but also of all the buildings of the ENTIRE Holy City Jerusalem.

Luke 19:41-44

• "And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
• Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
• For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
• And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation."

Now, logically speaking, "IF" Christ was really addressing the physical stones of the Temple and the physical Holy City of Jerusalem, then it is ridiculous to say 70 AD qualifies since we all know that many many stones of the buildings (whole CITY!) are STILL left standing one upon another to this very day 2000+ years later. And "hyperbole" is a word used when you don't like exactly what Christ said. He was very specific, not one stone left standing one upon another. ALL of the City of Jerusalem! Not just temple. So the western wall is just one of many stones still standing upon others today.

Mar 12:9-10
(9) What shall therefore the lord of the vineyard do? he will come and destroy the husbandmen, and will give the vineyard unto others.
(10) And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner:

Luk 20:17
(17) And he beheld them, and said, What is this then that is written, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner?

Eph 2:19-22
(19) Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
(20) And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
(21) In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
(22) In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Ask yourself this, Jesus Christ is a cornerstone. Is it a physical or spiritual event? Likewise with His people of the congregation as lively stones! Therefore, it was not the PHYSICAL stones you thought Christ was talking about in Jersualem (Ie. Matthew 24:1-2). It is spiritual discernment! Selah!

 

[TribulationSigns]

Jesus isn't coming back to Taiwan, Nigeria, Mexico, or Canada. I believe he said Israel.

Actually Christ came for His congregation Israel, All Saints from the Old and New Testament out among the nation, including national Israel.

 

[wooddog]

Actually Christ came for His congregation Israel, All Saints from the Old and New Testament out among the nation, including national Israel.

What a great God we have.

 

[covenantee]

What does the birth of Christ has to do anything with subject being discussed. Nothing.

The birth of Messiah was a physical and spiritual event.
The ministry of Messiah comprised physical and spiritual events.
The death of Messiah was a physical and spiritual event.
The resurrection of Messiah was a physical and spiritual event.
The ascension of Messiah was a physical and spiritual event.

The destruction of Jerusalem by Messiah was a physical and spiritual event.

 

[TribulationSigns]

The birth of Messiah was a physical and spiritual event.
The ministry of Messiah comprised physical and spiritual events.
The death of Messiah was a physical and spiritual event.
The resurrection of Messiah was a physical and spiritual event.
The ascension of Messiah was a physical and spiritual event.

The destruction of Jerusalem by Messiah was a physical and spiritual event.

I see that you avoid dealing with Scripture I quoted. Not surprised.

 

[Truth7t7]

Jesus isn't coming back to Taiwan, Nigeria, Mexico, or Canada. I believe he said Israel.

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Truth7t7]

The destruction of Jerusalem by Messiah was a physical and spiritual event.

Jesus didn't destroy Jerusalem, and the Roman's were no more used by God to do this as you falsely claim, than Russia is being used by God to destroy Ukraine

God used pagan Romans in 70AD, Laughable!

The Jews were thrown out as being God's people in 33AD Calvary, the temple veil in the Holy place was torn, and the Jews were out in the cold with their dead temple of stone, "Done" It Is Finished!

 

[covenantee]

I see that you avoid dealing with Scripture I quoted. Not surprised.

Yes. I'll return to it.

Matthew 24
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Did Judaeans physically flee into the mountains?

 

[covenantee]

Jesus didn't destroy Jerusalem, and the Roman's were no more used by God to do this as you falsely claim, than Russia is being used by God to destroy Ukraine

God used pagan Romans in 70AD, Laughable!

The Jews were thrown out as being God's people in 33AD Calvary, the temple veil in the Holy place was torn, and the Jews were out in the cold with their dead temple of stone, "Done" It Is Finished!

Not nearly as laughable as Templeton parishes.

The Judaeans who fled are laughing at you far louder than you.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Yes, I did. I'll return to it.

No you did not. I didn't quote Matthew 24 in my post. It was Luke 19:41-44. Do you agree that the Lord was talking about the whole city of Jersualem that her stones will fall? Yes or No.

And then you quoted a different verse which has nothing to do with subject regarding stones:

Matthew 24
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Did Judaeans physically flee into the mountains?

You are trying to distract the subject because you can't admit that Luke 19:41-44 the Lord was talking about the whole city, not just the temple.

Regardless, as for your claim about "Judaeans", you are wrong.

The Lord is talking about His New Testament Congregation, , which is spiritually Judaea on this side of the cross! The "FACT" is, that there are only Three Holy Places in the New Testament Dispensation.

1. Christ (Thee Holy Place)
2. True Believers (The Holy Place, because it is the dwelling place of Christ)
3. The Covenant Church (assembly of true Believers) 1st Peter 2:5 Holy because Christ and the believers are assembled there. And also within it are wood hay and stubble as well as gold and silver. (ie. assembly of true believers and unsaved professed believers)

You will not find any other Holy Place in the New Testament dispensation. Thus we know:

1. Abomination cannot stand in Christ
2. Abomination cannot stand in any true Believer (for Christ dwells there) that he can flee.
3. Abomination can and has stood in God's Churches or congregations. More specifically where unbelievers are - the external/corporate church.

If you remember reading the first two verses in Revelation 12 speaking about the court which is without the temple, yet part of Holy City:

Rev 11:1-2
(1) And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
(2) But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

The court is external church, where professed Christians does not have any relationship with Christ (temple). Yet, they are part of the Holy City, externally. This is Judea where true believers need to flee from there to mountain retreat where God is during the judgment of the whore.

We have our answer, if we are not predisposed to wresting/twisting scripture for our own selfish purposes. Christ does not have non-believers as a holy place. But He does have the external Church, wherein dwells many unbelievers, as the Holy Place and the Holy Temple. And therein abomination can stand.

Good grief, sure we can accept your theology if we disregard the whole context and trample upon what Christ "CLEARLY" stated.

Matthew 24:16-19

• "Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
• Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
• Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
• And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!"

Flee Judaea does not equate to flee only immorality, it equates to fleeing the Church (It "IS" Spiritual Judaea). Judaea is a synonym for the Church!! Where the clothing of righteousness no longer ground and the children (professed beleivers) will no longer be able to suck gospel because the church is under judgment! Selah! Which is why You choose to ignore that fact. This will happen when Satan comes out of bottomless pit (Revelation 20), after God has finished building his church with all believers in (Revelation 7:1-4), then used Satan to judge those who have not yet sealed by God in HIS CONGREGATION (Revelation 9) which is now spiritually Judaea where the abomination of desolation can stand. (Revelation 11:8 and Matthew 24:15-16). Selah!

So this has NOTHING to do with your preterist vision of physical Judaea, Roman soldiers, Titus, crying women with children, or mountains in Jordan 70AD.

 

[covenantee]

No you did not. I didn't quote Matthew 24 in my post. It was Luke 19:41-44. Do you agree that the Lord was talking about the whole city of Jersualem that her stones will fall? Yes or No.

And then you quoted a different verse which has nothing to do with subject regarding stones:



You are trying to distract the subject because you can't admit that Luke 19:41-44 the Lord was talking about the whole city, not just the temple.

Regardless, as for your claim about "Judaeans", you are wrong.

The Lord is talking about His New Testament Congregation, , which is spiritually Judaea on this side of the cross! The "FACT" is, that there are only Three Holy Places in the New Testament Dispensation.

1. Christ (Thee Holy Place)
2. True Believers (The Holy Place, because it is the dwelling place of Christ)
3. The Covenant Church (assembly of true Believers) 1st Peter 2:5 Holy because Christ and the believers are assembled there. And also within it are wood hay and stubble as well as gold and silver. (ie. assembly of true believers and unsaved professed believers)

You will not find any other Holy Place in the New Testament dispensation. Thus we know:

1. Abomination cannot stand in Christ
2. Abomination cannot stand in any true Believer (for Christ dwells there) that he can flee.
3. Abomination can and has stood in God's Churches or congregations. More specifically where unbelievers are - the external/corporate church.

If you remember reading the first two verses in Revelation 12 speaking about the court which is without the temple, yet part of Holy City:

Rev 11:1-2
(1) And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
(2) But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

The court is external church, where professed Christians does not have any relationship with Christ (temple). Yet, they are part of the Holy City, externally. This is Judea where true believers need to flee from there to mountain retreat where God is during the judgment of the whore.

We have our answer, if we are not predisposed to wresting/twisting scripture for our own selfish purposes. Christ does not have non-believers as a holy place. But He does have the external Church, wherein dwells many unbelievers, as the Holy Place and the Holy Temple. And therein abomination can stand.

Good grief, sure we can accept your theology if we disregard the whole context and trample upon what Christ "CLEARLY" stated.

Matthew 24:16-19

• "Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
• Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
• Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
• And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!"

Flee Judaea does not equate to flee only immorality, it equates to fleeing the Church (It "IS" Spiritual Judaea). Judaea is a synonym for the Church!! Where the clothing of righteousness no longer ground and the children (professed beleivers) will no longer be able to suck gospel because the church is under judgment! Selah! Which is why You choose to ignore that fact. This will happen when Satan comes out of bottomless pit (Revelation 20), after God has finished building his church with all believers in (Revelation 7:1-4), then used Satan to judge those who have not yet sealed by God in HIS CONGREGATION (Revelation 9) which is now spiritually Judaea where the abomination of desolation can stand. (Revelation 11:8 and Matthew 24:15-16). Selah!

So this has NOTHING to do with your preterist vision of physical Judaea, Roman soldiers, Titus, crying women with children, or mountains in Jordan 70AD.

Physical Judaeans actually physically fled to the physical mountains before 70 AD.

In physical response to Jesus' physical warning.

If they'd have listened to you, they'd have ended up physically dead.

Thank God that they didn't.

 

[wooddog]

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

And who does the Lord God give those ! Corinthian 15;52 bodies to? To whomever he choses and like Daniel 3; 25,26 says the fire will have no effect on the chosen. Does the fire last a thousand years?

 

[Truth7t7]

And who does the Lord God give those ! Corinthian 15;52 bodies to? To whomever he choses and like Daniel 3; 25,26 says the fire will have no effect on the chosen. Does the fire last a thousand years?

As you have been shown several verses without direct comment, Jesus returns in fire and final judgement (The End)

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

 

[Truth7t7]

Actually Christ came for His congregation Israel, All Saints from the Old and New Testament out among the nation, including national Israel.

Once Again

Do you believe in a future second coming of Jesus in the heavens, where human eyes on earth will see his return?

Matthew 24:30KJV
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

[wooddog]

Once Again

Do you believe in a future second coming of Jesus in the heavens, where human eyes on earth will see his return?

Holy smokes batman answer the question? All eyes will see him is there any doubt. What form is the fire of vengeance? Your random generic scriptures don't say. The end of flesh bodies is assured.

As you have been shown several verses without direct comment, Jesus returns in fire and final judgement (The End)

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

And who does the Lord God give those ! Corinthian 15;52 bodies to? To whomever he choses and like Daniel 3; 25,26 says the fire will have no effect on the chosen. Does the fire last a thousand years?

The Daniel 9;27 consummation is the end of the flesh, right? Satan, his tares, the beast, the image, and demons will have no influence on the earth for a THOUSAND YEARS, right?

 

[Truth7t7]

Holy smokes batman answer the question? All eyes will see him is there any doubt. What form is the fire of vengeance? Your random generic scriptures don't say. The end of flesh bodies is assured.




The Daniel 9;27 consummation is the end of the flesh, right? Satan, his tares, the beast, the image, and demons will have no influence on the earth for a THOUSAND YEARS, right?

As you've clearly been shown batman, Jesus returns in fire and final judgement, dissolving this earth by fire (The End)

There won't be a millennium on this earth as you falsely believe and teach

 

[TribulationSigns]

Once Again

Do you believe in a future second coming of Jesus in the heavens, where human eyes on earth will see his return?

Matthew 24:30KJV
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Yes, and your point is?