Why are some interpreters not being honest with the text involving Daniel 9:27?

[Eternally Grateful]

That might be explained by doctrinal bias, which apparently only applies to someone such as you and me, but not them as well.

I think people are afraid to admit they may be wrong.. I can;t think of any other way to explain it.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The 70 weeks must be over then.

How could it be over if much of the things concerning the people of daniel and the HS have yet to be fulfilled?

Jesus was recognized as the Messiah at his baptism by his forerunner.

No place in the OT is it mentioned that the messiah will come when he is baptized.

This is clearly stated to take place AFTER 69 weeks have passed.

No. It is clearly stated that messiah will complete the 69th week, at his introduction. which happened on Good friday

24 “Seventy weeks [of years, or 490 years] have been decreed for your people and for your holy city (Jerusalem), to

finish the transgression,
to make an end of sins,
to make atonement (reconciliation) for wickedness,
to bring in everlasting righteousness (right-standing with God),
to seal up vision and prophecy and prophet,
and to anoint the Most Holy Place.

25 So you are to know and understand that from the issuance of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until [the coming of] the Messiah (the Anointed One), the Prince, there will be seven weeks [of years] and sixty-two weeks [of years]; it will be built again, with [a city] plaza and moat, even in times of trouble.


Jesus was Anointed at his baptism and began the ministry that Father had sent him to do.

No

Jn 17
4 I have glorified You [down here] on the earth by completing the work that You gave Me to do. 5 Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory and majesty that I had with You before the world existed.


The Lord accomplished all these points, not just one in the allotted 70 weeks.

He anointed the most Holy place and secured eternal redemption,
Heb 9
11 But when Christ appeared as a High Priest of the good things to come [that is, true spiritual worship], He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not a part of this [material] creation. 12 He went once for all into the Holy Place [the Holy of Holies of heaven, into the presence of God], and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, having obtained and secured eternal redemption [that is, the salvation of all who personally believe in Him as Savior].


24 For Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but [He entered] into heaven itself, now to appear in the very presence of God on our behalf; 25 nor did He [enter into the heavenly sanctuary to] offer Himself again and again, as the high priest enters the Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. 26 Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer over and over since the foundation of the world; but now once for all at the consummation of the ages He has appeared and been publicly manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27 And just as it is appointed and destined for all men to die once and after this [comes certain] judgment, 28 so Christ, having been offered once and once for all to bear [as a burden] the sins of many, will appear a second time [when he returns to earth], not to deal with sin, but to bring salvation to those who are eagerly and confidently waiting for Him.


It is finished (accomplished)

Salvation is finished

Israel and the Holy City of Jerusalem is still desolate. because they are still in their sin.

Look at context.. Until you see the context. You have no capacity to understand the prophecy.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes, I confirmed what I had already said several times. Congrats on reading what I said this time.

I was right all along.. You can;t admit that? I never changed my stance on what you said.

Not about this. You either have horrible reading comprehension skills or a terrible memory. Which is it?

You are bearing false witness, You should be ashamed of yourself. and you should repent.. I am sick of being falsly accused of doing something I have never done,

if you can not be honest, then we have nothing further to discuss. I refuse to try to discuss the word with someone who has to bear false witness in order to try to convince himself he is right.

First of all, what you need to recognize is that the "he" of verse 27 is referring back to the last individual who is in focus which is Messiah the Prince.

Actually your wrong.. He refures to the people who destroy the city of jerusalem, WHich is titus and his armies.

Hence he is not a jewish messiah, he is a roman king, in fact he is the final king of the roman empire which will be destroyed at the return of CHrist.

Regardless of who the prince is in verse 26, the prince is not in focus in that verse. It says the people of the prince would destroy the city and the sanctuary. The prince is only mentioned there in order to indicate which people would be destroying the city and the sanctuary.

This is rediculous, Forgive me, But if this is the only reason he is called a prince, there is no need to call him a price at all. All they would have to say is the people who ruled over Israel at that tie destroyed the city

The only reason the prince is mentioned is because he is the one to confirm a covenant for 1 week. and he would also break that covenant.

So, there's no question that verse 27 is talking about Jesus since the Messiah is the last individual in focus in the prophecy before verse 27.

Again, Your wrong,

The Prince of rome, whos people destroyed the city is the last person to be spoken about,

Also, to confirm the covenant for 1 week does not mean the covenant only lasts for 1 week.

lol. Now I have heard everything

He will confirm a covenant for one week. But it does not have to be one week, it could be any amount of time acytually, including for all time..

My friend, if you have to believe this to convince yourself. feel free. But do not expect others who are open minded to believe that a one week covenant may not be one week.

Even written the way it is does not imply what you think it means. You are just acting as if it says the covenant lasts for 1 week because of your doctrinal bias. It does not explicitly say that no matter how badly you want it to or how much you try to claim that it does.

Its your doctrinal bias that has you thinking one week does not actually mean 1 week.

The fact you do not see or understand this is just further proof.. Your silly attacks are just you doing what you all always do. try to take the focus off self.

Well I will not allow that to happen. for others who might be wintessing what you are doing.

No, it does not. That's ridiculous logic. All that says is what he would do in the middle of the time allotted to confirm the covenant. The duration of the covenant is not specified no matter how much you try to claim that it is.

ONE WEEK.

That is what the word days, And I am rediculous because I take one week to mean one week.

I can not go on any furthur.. I thouight the phariusees were bad. But now I have seen everything.

I am moving on.. I can not take anything you say serious anymore

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Assuming you are correct, why would the text list that last when it is the very first thing a view such as yours has being accomplished? You have that accomplished first, something last on the to do list, meaning there are still 5 more things to accomplish if that is accomplished first. Something not right about that picture, that the last thing on the list is the very first thing accomplished, being the point.

If I'm not mistaken I think some take the most holy to be meaning the most holy place. And if that is correct to do so, the OT never has the most holy place to be meaning a person as far as I can tell. Or if it does, I guess I never noticed.

Your right it does not

Any jew understood that the holy place meant only one place.

Be it in Daniels time or in Jesus time. Only in modern times does anyone want to make the holy place mean somethign else.

 

[Phoneman777]

Jesus did not confirm a covenant with many for 1 week (7 years)

Seriously, you guys are so steeped in Jesuit Futurism that you can't see that the "covenant" is about Christ - not Antichrist:

"...which at the first began to spoken by the Lord (the first 3 1/2 years) and then was confirmed to us by them (disciples) that heard Him (the last 3 1/2 years)".

the covenant is at the begining of the 70th week...The 70th week is the length of the covenant,

Correct, but that week is nailed down in history, not floating around ahead somewhere in time.

and it wil be broken in the middle of the week by the one who confirme3d it

By His death, Jesus caused "the sacrifice and oblation to cease" when God ripped "the veil in the temple" in half.

A blasphemous rebuilt temple in Jerusalem attended by sacrifices denying the Lamb of God would no sooner be advertised by God as the "the temple of God" than you would advertise your mother's house as "the best little whorehouse near your house".

Jesus fulfilled the old covenant, and confirmed a new covenant for all eternity. Not a week.

Nowhere are we told the confirmation lasts for "eternity"! A fulfilled promise no longer requires confirmation - do you ask the hotel to continue confirming their promise to reserve your room after you check out and leave?

Israel was supposed to prepare the entire world to receive the promise of the New Covenant of Salvation which is why it was to be first confirmed to "thy people and thy holy city" - so when the time came for Israel to take the Gospel to the Gentiles, they could do so with utmost confidence. But, sadly, the Jewish leaders chose to pen their Letter of Rejection with an inkhorn filled with the blood of Stephen - and immediately after, Saul fell of his horse and Paul took the Gospel to the Gentiles.

 

[jeffweeder]

How could it be over if much of the things concerning the people of daniel and the HS have yet to be fulfilled?

Thats rather vague , like what?
The Holy Spirit has been poured out on those Jews who believed, Jesus must have done a comprehensive job of making them squeaky clean by removing their sins and iniquities and transgressions etc. All one has to do is believe and repent and appropriate what has already been done for them by Jesus.

No place in the OT is it mentioned that the messiah will come when he is baptized.

Dan 9:25 mentions "until Messiah". John the Baptist was sent as a forerunner that Israel may recognize him when he comes.
John recognized this only at his baptism....see Jn 1

No. It is clearly stated that messiah will complete the 69th week, at his introduction. which happened on Good friday

Not so. Verse 25 of dan 9 shows him arriving as messiah After 69 weeks.

No

Salvation is finished

Israel and the Holy City of Jerusalem is still desolate. because they are still in their sin.

Heb 12
18 For you have not come [as did the Israelites in the wilderness] to a mountain that can be touched and to a blazing fire, and to gloom and darkness and a raging windstorm, 19 and to the blast of a trumpet and a sound of words [such that] those who heard it begged that nothing more be said to them. 20 For they could not bear the command, “If even a wild animal touches the mountain, it will be stoned [to death].” 21 In fact, so terrifying was the sight, that Moses said, “I am filled with fear and trembling.”

22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels [in festive gathering], 23 and to the general assembly and assembly of the firstborn who are registered [as citizens] in heaven, and to God, who is Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous (the redeemed in heaven) who have been made perfect [bringing them to their final glory], 24 and to Jesus, the Mediator of a new covenant [uniting God and man], and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks [of mercy], a better and nobler and more gracious message than the blood of Abel [which cried out for vengeance].

Look at context.. Until you see the context. You have no capacity to understand the prophecy.

Good advice.

Heb 12 continued,

25 See to it that you do not refuse [to listen to] Him who is speaking [to you now]. For if those [sons of Israel] did not escape when they refused [to listen to] him who warned them on earth [revealing God’s will], how much less will we escape if we turn our backs on Him who warns from heaven?

26 His voice shook the earth [at Mount Sinai] then, but now He has given a promise, saying,

“Yet once more I will shake not only the earth, but also the [starry] heaven.” 27 Now this [expression], “Yet once more,” indicates the removal and final transformation of all those things which can be shaken—that is, of that which has been created—so that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. 28 Therefore, since we receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us show gratitude, and offer to God pleasing service and acceptable worship with reverence and awe; 29 for our God is [indeed] a consuming fire.

 

[Truth7t7]

How do you interpret this verse:

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

How will the transgression be finished? What will the end of sins be made? How does reconciliation get made for iniquity? How will everlasting righteousness be brought in? How is the vision and prophecy sealed up? How is the most Holy anointed?

You believe the great tribulation seen in Matthew 24:21 took place around 70AD as explained in your post #353, Daniel 12:1-3 clearly interprets this tribulation to be at the end of time that culminates in the future resurrection and final judgement

Your complete belief and teaching in 70AD fulfillment that you claim is seen in Matthew 24:15 & 24:21 is now in the trash can

The Great Tribulation, At The Time Of The End "At That Time" The Resurrection And Final Judgement Take Place

(The Future Great Tribulation)

Matthew 24:21KJV
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

(The Future Great Tribulation)

Daniel 12:1-3KJV
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

 

[Truth7t7]

As to this, who knows, but maybe 21 years is meant? Back in those days some of those people could do some pretty extrordinary things at times. Take what Ezekiel did per the following, for example.

Ezekiel 4:4 Lie thou also upon thy left side, and lay the iniquity of the house of Israel upon it: according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon it thou shalt bear their iniquity.
5 For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel.
6 And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.


I can't see myself making it through an entire day of that, let alone how long Ezekiel had to do those things.

Oh sure, Daniel mourned and fasted for 21 years, that beats God in the flesh 40 days and nights in the wilderness

 

[covenantee]

Actually your wrong.. He refures to the people who destroy the city of jerusalem, WHich is titus and his armies.

Hence he is not a jewish messiah, he is a roman king, in fact he is the final king of the roman empire which will be destroyed at the return of CHrist.

Actually you're wrong. The referrer and the referent must agree in gender and number. The referrer "He" is masculine and singular. The word "people" is gender neutral and plural; it does not qualify as the referent. The word "prince" is masculine and singular; it matches the gender and number of the referrer "He", and thus qualifies as the referent.

And "He", and the "prince", as shown innumerable times already, are Messiah the Prince.

And here's a little free English lesson: When you say "your wrong", you're wrong. The correct expression is "you're", which is a contraction of the words "you are".

And you're welcome.

 

[covenantee]

The Prince of rome, whos people destroyed the city is the last person to be spoken about,

Although Titus was a prince, it was the Roman armies serving as the people of Messiah the Prince, to accomplish His purposes of judgment and desolation (Luke 21:20) upon Jerusalem and Israel, who destroyed the city and sanctuary. (Daniel 9:26)

Titus recognized it: "We have certainly had God for our assistant in this war, and it was no other than God who ejected the Jews out of these fortifications; for what could the hands of men or any machines do towards overthrowing these towers?"

He was smarter than dispensational delusionites.

 

[covenantee]

You believe the great tribulation seen in Matthew 24:21 took place around 70AD as explained in your post #353, Daniel 12:1-3 clearly interprets this tribulation to be at the end of time that culminates in the future resurrection and final judgement

Your complete belief and teaching in 70AD fulfillment that you claim is seen in Matthew 24:15 & 24:21 is now in the trash can

The Great Tribulation, At The Time Of The End "At That Time" The Resurrection And Final Judgement Take Place

(The Future Great Tribulation)

Matthew 24:21KJV
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

(The Future Great Tribulation)

Daniel 12:1-3KJV
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

Thanks for the guffaws.

You haven't answered a single one of Spiritual Israelite's questions.

What are you afraid of this time?

 

[covenantee]

The messiah accomplished 1 thing out of al these on the cross..

Luke 18
31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.

Messiah has some choice words and enlightenment for you.

Luke 24
25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

Was Daniel one of "all the prophets" who wrote concerning Messiah?

Did Daniel write Daniel 9:24 and does it all concern Messiah?

Did Messiah say that all things, not just one, must be accomplished and fulfilled?

The answers are more than self-evident.

Don't be a repeat of Luke 24:25.

 

[Truth7t7]

Although Titus was a prince, it was the Roman armies serving as the people of Messiah the Prince, to accomplish His purposes of judgment and desolation (Luke 21:20) upon Jerusalem and Israel, who destroyed the city and sanctuary. (Daniel 9:26)

Yes you believe and teach that seen below is a judgement on Israel, and the literal future coming of Jesus Christ isn't seen, and don't forget the last day resurrection seen when the angels harvest, "please correct me if I'm wrong"?

(A Judgement On Israel Or Literal Second Coming Of Jesus)?

Matthew 24:30KJV
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Seriously, you guys are so steeped in Jesuit Futurism that you can't see that the "covenant" is about Christ - not Antichrist:

seriously, you guys are so steeped in antisemitism, you can‘t see this covenant is about the nation of Israel and the temple sacrifice. And has nothing to do with Christ.

"...which at the first began to spoken by the Lord (the first 3 1/2 years) and then was confirmed to us by them (disciples) that heard Him (the last 3 1/2 years)".

Correct, but that week is nailed down in history, not floating around ahead somewhere in time.

By His death, Jesus caused "the sacrifice and oblation to cease" when God ripped "the veil in the temple" in half.

A blasphemous rebuilt temple in Jerusalem attended by sacrifices denying the Lamb of God would no sooner be advertised by God as the "the temple of God" than you would advertise your mother's house as "the best little whorehouse near your house".

Thats interesting, considering the blasphemous rebuilt temple in Jesus day which had no bearing on anyone’s salvation and had not as far as I can see ever seen the presence of God in the most holy place. Was called the house of God by Jesus himself.

In fact, Jesus will rule from that “blasphemous rebuilt temple”
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Nowhere are we told the confirmation lasts for "eternity"! A fulfilled promise no longer requires confirmation - do you ask the hotel to continue confirming their promise to reserve your room after you check out and leave?

Actually I am told it last for eternity. Its called ETERNAL LIFE.

Jesus also said, through his death, whoever anticipates will Never die.

This covenant is made with many for 1 week, (seven years) the cross is a covenant made wit all for eternity.

Jesus made this clear in John 3, He came to die for the WORLD (all) that WHOEVER believes in hi will NEVER PERISH, but have ETERNAL LIFE (there is that pesky word eternal you hate)

Israel was supposed to prepare the entire world to receive the promise of the New Covenant of Salvation which is why it was to be first confirmed to "thy people and thy holy city" - so when the time came for Israel to take the Gospel to the Gentiles, they could do so with utmost confidence. But, sadly, the Jewish leaders chose to pen their Letter of Rejection with an inkhorn filled with the blood of Stephen - and immediately after, Saul fell of his horse and Paul took the Gospel to the Gentiles.

Israel was supposed to first recieve the promise, then they were supposed to be Gods witness to the world

God said she would. She will be a greater witness when God restored them to prominence after they repent. And he rules in their (his) city and his high place.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Thats rather vague , like what?

How many times have I said, do you not read?

The Holy Spirit has been poured out on those Jews who believed, Jesus must have done a comprehensive job of making them squeaky clean by removing their sins and iniquities and transgressions etc. All one has to do is believe and repent and appropriate what has already been done for them by Jesus.

lol. Are yu telling me Daniel was not saved? That there was not a remnant in the OT even in the dispersia that were not lost. And did not sin against God? That they did not repent and believe like Abraham did?

In fact, is it not interesting in the first part of Daniel 9, that is exactly what Daniel is doing? Not only confessing his own sins, but the sins of the people of israel. Who had not as a nation repented yet? And confessed it is because of their sin that the city and sanctuary was destroyed?

or have you done like many people do and skip over the rest of daniel 9 and just focus on the 70 weeks. Outside of context?

Dan 9:25 mentions "until Messiah". John the Baptist was sent as a forerunner that Israel may recognize him when he comes.
John recognized this only at his baptism....see Jn 1

Yes Until messiah

The prophet said this is how messiah will be introduced.

Zechariah 9:9

The Coming King​

“Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your King is coming to you; He is just and having salvation, Lowly and riding on a donkey, A colt, the foal of a donkey

You see this is how you study to be approved. You see something like Until Messiah, Then you look. How would a jew know when messiah was being introduced. So you scour the OT. And you only see one literal reference of how he will come into Jerusalem.

He comes like a king. Only instead of riding on a horse like victorious kings do He comes in on a donkey

its also why Jesus continued to say up until that day, “it is not my time yet”

evidently Jesus understood when “messiah the price: would come.

Not so. Verse 25 of dan 9 shows him arriving as messiah After 69 weeks.

No. It says from the command to restor jerusalem (when Nehemiah was given the command in Neh 2 in the 20th year of King Artexerxes) until Messiah the prince shall be 7 weeks and 62 weeks.. It does not say AFTER, what happens next comes AFTER.. It is literally 69 weeks. Jesus entered on the last day of the 69th week in fulfillment of Daniel 9

AFTER this he was cut off. Which was also fulfilled literally days later

Heb 12
18 For you have not come [as did the Israelites in the wilderness] to a mountain that can be touched and to a blazing fire, and to gloom and darkness and a raging windstorm, 19 and to the blast of a trumpet and a sound of words [such that] those who heard it begged that nothing more be said to them. 20 For they could not bear the command, “If even a wild animal touches the mountain, it will be stoned [to death].” 21 In fact, so terrifying was the sight, that Moses said, “I am filled with fear and trembling.”

22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels [in festive gathering], 23 and to the general assembly and assembly of the firstborn who are registered [as citizens] in heaven, and to God, who is Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous (the redeemed in heaven) who have been made perfect [bringing them to their final glory], 24 and to Jesus, the Mediator of a new covenant [uniting God and man], and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks [of mercy], a better and nobler and more gracious message than the blood of Abel [which cried out for vengeance].

Not sure what your trying to say here forgive me

Good advice.

Heb 12 continued,

25 See to it that you do not refuse [to listen to] Him who is speaking [to you now]. For if those [sons of Israel] did not escape when they refused [to listen to] him who warned them on earth [revealing God’s will], how much less will we escape if we turn our backs on Him who warns from heaven?

26 His voice shook the earth [at Mount Sinai] then, but now He has given a promise, saying,

“Yet once more I will shake not only the earth, but also the [starry] heaven.” 27 Now this [expression], “Yet once more,” indicates the removal and final transformation of all those things which can be shaken—that is, of that which has been created—so that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. 28 Therefore, since we receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us show gratitude, and offer to God pleasing service and acceptable worship with reverence and awe; 29 for our God is [indeed] a consuming fire.

Again not sure what your insinuating here

Did Matt 24 get fulfilled? Has the kings of the earth looked to the sky and seen the messiah coming in the clouds to put an end to this great tribulation he spoke about. And put an end to the time of the gentile rule?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Actually you're wrong. The referrer and the referent must agree in gender and number. The referrer "He" is masculine and singular. The word "people" is gender neutral and plural; it does not qualify as the referent. The word "prince" is masculine and singular; it matches the gender and number of the referrer "He", and thus qualifies as the referent.

And "He", and the "prince", as shown innumerable times already, are Messiah the Prince.

And here's a little free English lesson: When you say "your wrong", you're wrong. The correct expression is "you're", which is a contraction of the words "you are".

And you're welcome.

Yawn

Good day sir.

You have given me no reason to come to your view. You have served to only make my faith in the future return of christ and fulfillment of Dan 9 even stronger.

for that I thank you

 

[wooddog]

The 70 weeks must be over then.
Jesus was recognized as the Messiah at his baptism by his forerunner.
This is clearly stated to take place AFTER 69 weeks have passed.

24 “Seventy weeks [of years, or 490 years] have been decreed for your people and for your holy city (Jerusalem), to

finish the transgression,
to make an end of sins,
to make atonement (reconciliation) for wickedness,
to bring in everlasting righteousness (right-standing with God),
to seal up vision and prophecy and prophet,
and to anoint the Most Holy Place.

25 So you are to know and understand that from the issuance of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until [the coming of] the Messiah (the Anointed One), the Prince, there will be seven weeks [of years] and sixty-two weeks [of years]; it will be built again, with [a city] plaza and moat, even in times of trouble.


Jesus was Anointed at his baptism and began the ministry that Father had sent him to do.
Jn 17
4 I have glorified You [down here] on the earth by completing the work that You gave Me to do. 5 Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory and majesty that I had with You before the world existed.


The Lord accomplished all these points, not just one in the allotted 70 weeks.

He anointed the most Holy place and secured eternal redemption,
Heb 9
11 But when Christ appeared as a High Priest of the good things to come [that is, true spiritual worship], He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not a part of this [material] creation. 12 He went once for all into the Holy Place [the Holy of Holies of heaven, into the presence of God], and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, having obtained and secured eternal redemption [that is, the salvation of all who personally believe in Him as Savior].


24 For Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but [He entered] into heaven itself, now to appear in the very presence of God on our behalf; 25 nor did He [enter into the heavenly sanctuary to] offer Himself again and again, as the high priest enters the Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. 26 Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer over and over since the foundation of the world; but now once for all at the consummation of the ages He has appeared and been publicly manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27 And just as it is appointed and destined for all men to die once and after this [comes certain] judgment, 28 so Christ, having been offered once and once for all to bear [as a burden] the sins of many, will appear a second time [when he returns to earth], not to deal with sin, but to bring salvation to those who are eagerly and confidently waiting for Him.


It is finished (accomplished)

The 70 weeks must be over then.
Jesus was recognized as the Messiah at his baptism by his forerunner.
This is clearly stated to take place AFTER 69 weeks have passed.

24 “Seventy weeks [of years, or 490 years] have been decreed for your people and for your holy city (Jerusalem), to

finish the transgression,
to make an end of sins,
to make atonement (reconciliation) for wickedness,
to bring in everlasting righteousness (right-standing with God),
to seal up vision and prophecy and prophet,
and to anoint the Most Holy Place.

25 So you are to know and understand that from the issuance of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until [the coming of] the Messiah (the Anointed One), the Prince, there will be seven weeks [of years] and sixty-two weeks [of years]; it will be built again, with [a city] plaza and moat, even in times of trouble.


Jesus was Anointed at his baptism and began the ministry that Father had sent him to do.
Jn 17
4 I have glorified You [down here] on the earth by completing the work that You gave Me to do. 5 Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory and majesty that I had with You before the world existed.


The Lord accomplished all these points, not just one in the allotted 70 weeks.

He anointed the most Holy place and secured eternal redemption,
Heb 9
11 But when Christ appeared as a High Priest of the good things to come [that is, true spiritual worship], He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not a part of this [material] creation. 12 He went once for all into the Holy Place [the Holy of Holies of heaven, into the presence of God], and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, having obtained and secured eternal redemption [that is, the salvation of all who personally believe in Him as Savior].


24 For Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but [He entered] into heaven itself, now to appear in the very presence of God on our behalf; 25 nor did He [enter into the heavenly sanctuary to] offer Himself again and again, as the high priest enters the Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. 26 Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer over and over since the foundation of the world; but now once for all at the consummation of the ages He has appeared and been publicly manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27 And just as it is appointed and destined for all men to die once and after this [comes certain] judgment, 28 so Christ, having been offered once and once for all to bear [as a burden] the sins of many, will appear a second time [when he returns to earth], not to deal with sin, but to bring salvation to those who are eagerly and confidently waiting for Him.


It is finished (accomplished)

And yet you and your brethren are still here transgressing, sinning, and distorting the prophecy with no vision. The end is not yet till the IMAGE is destroyed. DESOLATIONS are determined upon the desolate until that time.

 

[covenantee]

Yawn

Good day sir.

You have given me no reason to come to your view. You have served to only make my faith in the future return of christ and fulfillment of Dan 9 even stronger.

for that I thank you

This is not a reason for you to come to my view. I have no such expectation.

Rather, it is to help those who understand and appreciate grammatical, Scriptural, and historical evidence, to come to their own conclusion and decision.

You're not one of those.

 

[covenantee]

Yes you believe and teach that seen below is a judgement on Israel, and the literal future coming of Jesus Christ isn't seen, and don't forget the last day resurrection seen when the angels harvest, "please correct me if I'm wrong"?

(A Judgement On Israel Or Literal Second Coming Of Jesus)?

Matthew 24:30KJV
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

I have no idea what you're babbling about.

Neither do you.

 

[Davidpt]

This is not a reason for you to come to my view. I have no such expectation.

Rather, it is to help those who understand and appreciate grammatical, Scriptural, and historical evidence, to come to their own conclusion and decision.

You're not one of those.

Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

This is who all I see in the text.

A) Messiah the Prince(verse 25)

B) Messiah(verse 25)

C) himself(verse 25)

D) the people of the prince that shall come(verse 25)

E) the prince that shall come(verse 25)

F) he shall confirm the covenant(verse 26)

G) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease(verse 26)

H) for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate(verse 26)

In my mind I have no issue accepting that A), B), C), F), and G), are all referring to the same person, that being the Messiah the Prince in verse 25.

What some of you are not factoring in is that there is H) to consider. Someone per A)-G) has to explain the pronoun 'he' in H). Clearly, A), B), C), F), and G), can't explain that pronoun if all of those are meaning Christ. We have E), though. That has to be the only logical thing that can explain the pronoun in H), that it has to be the prince that shall come. Therefore, E) can't be meaning Christ because Christ can't remotely fit the pronoun 'he' in H). It's that simple. It is absurd to take the prince to come per E) to be meaning Christ when E) is the only thing that can explain H) if Christ is meant per A), B), C), F), and G) .

Some of you would have us believe that there is no one in the text anywhere from verse 25 through verse 27 that can explain the 'he' meant in H)?

You might argue that the pronoun 'he' in question is not in the original manuscripts, therefore, a moot point. Do you in turn, in order to remain consistent in how you are arguing that, assuming you might argue that, argue in the same manner per this pronoun 'he' he shall confirm the covenant, and this one as well, he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease?