There is no spiritual gift called "the gift of tongues".

[The Learner]

Anyone teaching God is a trinity is actually calling Jesus and Paul liars.

NOT

 

[The Learner]

Based on what though? I showed you that Greek doesnt define House as religion. There's not one word about not being chosen anymore or being cut off.

SO what you have said continues to be your opinion.

 

[The Learner]

"Rome" was not the Church, Both Peter and Paul were there.

A little well known History from primary source:

Pliny to the Emperor Trajan​

It is my practice, my lord, to refer to you all matters concerning which I am in doubt. For who can better give guidance to my hesitation or inform my ignorance? I have never before participated in trials of Christians, so I do not know what offenses are to be punished or investigated, or to what extent. And I have been not a little hesitant as to whether there should be any distinction on account of age, or no difference recognized between the very young and the more mature. Is pardon to be granted for repentance, or if a man has once been a Christian is it irrelevant whether he has ceased to be one? Is the name itself to be punished, even without offenses, or only the offenses perpetrated in connection with the name?

Meanwhile, in the case of those who were denounced to me as Christians, I have followed the following procedure: I interrogated them as to whether they were Christians; those who confessed I interrogated a second and a third time, threatening them with punishment; those who persisted I ordered executed. For I had no doubt that, whatever the nature of their creed, stubbornness and inflexible obstinacy surely deserve to be punished. There were others possessed of the same folly; but because they were Roman citizens, I signed an order for them to be transferred to Rome.

Soon accusations spread because of these proceedings, as usually happens, and several incidents occurred. An anonymous document was published containing the names of many persons. Those who denied that they were or had been Christians, when they invoked the gods in words dictated by me, offered prayer with incense and wine to your image, which I had ordered to be brought for this purpose together with statues of the gods, and also cursed Christ – none of which those who are really Christians can, it is said, be forced to do — these I thought should be discharged. Others named by the informer declared that they were Christians, but then denied it, asserting that they had been but had ceased to be, some three years before, others many years, some as much as twenty-five years. They all worshipped your image and the statues of the gods, and cursed Christ. They asserted, however, that the sum and substance of their fault or error had been that they were accustomed to meet on a fixed day before dawn and sing responsively a hymn to Christ as to a god, and to bind themselves by oath, not to do some crime, but not to commit fraud, theft, or adultery, not falsify their trust, nor to refuse to return a trust when called upon to do so. When this was over, it was their custom to depart and to assemble again to partake of food — but ordinary and innocent food.

Even this, they affirmed, they had ceased to do after my edict by which, in accordance with your instructions, I had forbidden political associations. Accordingly, I judged it all the more necessary to find out what the truth was by torturing two female slaves who were called deaconesses. But I discovered nothing else but depraved, excessive superstition. I therefore postponed the investigation and hastened to consult you. For the matter seemed to me to warrant consulting you, especially because of the number involved. For many persons of every age, every rank, and also of both sexes are and will be endangered. For the contagion of this superstition has spread not only to the cities but also to the villages and farms. But it seems possible to check and cure it.

It is certainly quite clear that the temples, which had been almost deserted, have begun to be frequented, that the established religious rites, long neglected, are being resumed, and that from everywhere sacrificial animals are coming, for which until now very few purchasers could be found. Hence it is easy to imagine what a multitude of people can be reformed if an opportunity for repentance is afforded.

Trajan to Pliny​

You observed proper procedure, my dear Pliny, in sifting the cases of those who had been denounced to you as Christians. For it is not possible to lay down any general rule to serve as a kind of fixed standard. They are not to be sought out; if they are denounced and proved guilty, they are to be punished, with this reservation, that whoever denies that he is a Christian and really proves it — that is, by worshiping our gods — even though he was under suspicion in the past, shall obtain pardon through repentance. But anonymously posted accusations ought to have no place in any prosecution. For this is both a dangerous kind of precedent and out of keeping with the spirit of our age.

Pliny’s Letter to Trajan | Christian History Institute

Christian History Institute (CHI) provides church history resources and self-study material and publishes the quarterly Christian History Magazine. Our aim is to make Christian history enjoyable and applicable to the widest possible audience.

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[The Learner]

In its widest sense, the phrase union with Christ refers to the relationship between the believer and Jesus Christ. In this sense, John Murray says, union with Christ is "the central truth of the whole doctrine of salvation."[1] The expression "in Christ" (en Christo, en kyrio, en Christo Iesou, en auto etc.) occurs 216 times in the Pauline letters and 26 times in the Johannine literature.[2] Hence, according to Albert Schweitzer, "This 'being-in-Christ' is the prime enigma of the Pauline teaching: once grasped it gives the clue to the whole."[3] Given the large number of occurrences and the wide range of contexts, the phrase embodies a breadth of meaning.[4] (For example; Paul uses the phrase "en Christo" as a synonym for a Christian (Romans 16:7) and the phrase "en emoi" to describe the intimate identification of Christ with the believer (Galatians 2:20).)

According to the narrower sense of the phrase, used in Christian theology, union with Christ is a step in the ordo salutis ("order of salvation"), and the basis of the believer's justification.[5] In this sense, union with Christ follows faith and precedes adoption (Galatians 3:26-27). Augustus Strong describes it in this way: "union with Christ logically precedes both regeneration and justification; and yet, chronologically, the moment of our union with Christ is also the moment when we are regenerated and justified."[6]

Augustus H. Strong positively describes the nature of the believer's union with Christ with five adjectives.[27] This union is:

1. An organic union – in which believers become members of Christ and enjoy a mutual, reciprocal dependence on Christ for life and He on them for expression (Eph. 5:29–30).
2. A vital union – in which Christ operates within believers as their life and becomes the dominating principle within them (Gal. 2:20; Col. 3:3–4).
3. A spiritual union – that is, a union originating from and sustained by the Holy Spirit in their spirit (Rom. 8:9-10; Eph 3:16–17).
4. An indissoluble union – that is, a union which, by virtue of Christ's eternal, divine, and incorruptible power and grace, can never be dissolved (Matt. 28:20; Rom. 8:39; Heb. 7:16).
5. An inscrutable union – that is, a divine and mystical union of knowledge-surpassing intimacy and value (Eph. 3:19; 5:32; Col. 1:27).

 

[The Learner]

What Does "Christ in You" Mean? - Beautiful in Jesus

"Christ in you" literally means that Jesus Christ is alive and His Spirit lives and dwells in the spirits of His children.

beautifulinjesus.com

'In Christ': The Meaning and Implications of the Gospel of Jesus Christ - C.S. Lewis Institute

To be “in Christ” is to find personal fulfillment, to enjoy brotherly unity, and to experience a radical transformation.

www.cslewisinstitute.org

WHY IS THE HOLY SPIRIT CALLED, “THE SPIRIT OF JESUS CHRIST” AND, THE “SPIRIT OF JESUS?”​

The Identity of the Holy Spirit – Question 16

The Holy Spirit is called by a number of different titles. They include the “Spirit of Jesus Christ” and the “Spirit of Jesus.”

When Paul wrote to the Philippians he referred to the Spirit of Jesus Christ.

For I know that through your prayers and the help of the Spirit of Jesus Christ this will turn out for my deliverance (Philippians 1:19 NRSV).

In the Book of Acts we read of the Spirit of Jesus.

And after they came to Mysia, they were trying to go into Bithynia, and the Spirit of Jesus did not permit them (Acts 16:7 NASB).

The Apostle Paul, when he wrote to the Galatians, called Him, “the Spirit of His Son.”

And because you Gentiles have become his children, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, and now you can call God your dear Father (Galatians 4:6 NLT).

The Spirit of God is the Spirit of His Son.

Is There a Distinction between Them?​

Does this mean they are the same Person and there is no distinction between them? Why do we find the Holy Spirit called the Spirit of Jesus Christ, the Spirit of Jesus, and the Spirit of His Son?

The best answer seems to be the nature of the ministry of the Holy Spirit – Jesus sent the Holy Spirit and His job is to speak about Jesus. From Scripture we learn the following.

1. Jesus Sent the Holy Spirit​

In a very real sense Jesus was the one who was the giver of the Holy Spirit. After Jesus came back from the dead, but before He ascended into heaven, He said the following to His disciples.

And now I will send the Holy Spirit, just as my Father promised. But stay here in the city until the Holy Spirit comes and fills you with power from heaven (Luke 24:49 NLT).

Jesus said that “He” will send the Holy Spirit.

In the Gospel of John, we read about the risen Christ breathing on His disciples and telling them to “receive the Holy Spirit.” Scripture says.

Then he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit” (John 20:22 CEV).

On the Day of Pentecost, the Apostle Peter explained the source of the power they had experienced.

Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear (Acts 2:33 NKJV).

The Holy Spirit was sent by Jesus Christ and is under the authority of Jesus.

2. The Holy Spirit Speaks Only of Jesus​

Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would be given to speak about Him. On the night of His betrayal, He said the following to His disciples.

However, the helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you everything. He will remind you of everything that I have ever told you (John 14:26 God’s Word).

The Spirit of God, whom the Father will send in the name of the Son, will remind the believers of everything which Jesus taught. On that same night, Jesus again said that the Spirit would testify of Him. He said.

I will send you the Spirit who comes from the Father and shows what is true. The Spirit will help you and will tell you about me. Then you will also tell others about me, because you have been with me from the beginning (John 15:26-27 CEV).

The Spirit will teach these disciples the truths about Jesus.

Jesus then made these concluding remarks.

I have a lot more to tell you, but that would be too much for you now. When the Spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into the full truth. He won’t speak on his own. He will speak what he hears and will tell you about things to come (John 16:12, 13 God’s Word).

According to Jesus, the Holy Spirit has come to glorify Jesus.

3. The Holy Spirit Glorifies Jesus Christ​

The Holy Spirit now lives inside each believer in Jesus Christ. His ministry is to glorify Christ. Jesus said.

The Spirit will bring glory to me by taking my message and telling it to you. Everything that the Father has is mine. That is why I have said that the Spirit takes my message and tells it to you. (John 16:14, 15 CEV).

His job is not to speak of Himself but rather of Jesus.

4. There Is a Close Relationship between Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit​

In fact, their relationship is so close that the Bible says both the Holy Spirit, and Jesus Christ, live in the believer. Paul wrote.

But you are not in the flesh; you are in the Spirit, since the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. But if Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness (Romans 8:9, 10 NRSV).

Jesus, as well as the Spirit of God, dwells inside each believer.

Paul wrote that we have died to sin but are alive to Christ since Christ lives in us. He put it this way to the Galatians.

I have died, but Christ lives in me. And I now live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave his life for me. I don’t turn my back on God’s undeserved kindness. If we can be acceptable to God by obeying the Law, it was useless for Christ to die (Galatians 2:20, 21 CEV).

Both the Son and the Spirit live in the believer.

5. The Holy Spirit Reveals Jesus in Another Way​

For the disciples, the coming of the Holy Spirit was like having Jesus with them in a new and meaningful way. When Jesus was with them they felt courage to do anything. Indeed, we read of Thomas giving the following words to the disciples.

Thomas, whose nickname was “Twin,” said to the other disciples, “Come on. Let’s go, so we can die with him” (John 11:16 CEV).

There was boldness with these men when they were in the presence of Jesus.

On the other hand, when Jesus was taken away from them, these same men became fearful of the crowds. The Bible says.

Then everyone deserted him and fled (Mark 14:50 TNIV).

Therefore, when Jesus was absent from them their behavior changed.

Indeed, after Jesus’ death the disciples went into hiding. The Bible says.

In the evening of that first day of the week, the disciples were [gathered together] with the doors locked because of their fear of the Jews. Then Jesus came, stood among them, and said to them, “Peace to you!” (John 20:19 HCSB).

On Easter Sunday, these disciples of Jesus were hiding when He appeared to them.

When they realized Jesus had risen they were again courageous. The Bible records what occurred in this manner.

After eight days His disciples were indoors again, and Thomas was with them. Even though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them. He said, “Peace to you!” Then He said to Thomas, “Put your finger here and observe My hands. Reach out your hand and put it into My side. Don’t be an unbeliever, but a believer.” Thomas responded to Him, “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:26-28 HCSB).

The presence of God, whether through the person of Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit, gives strength to believers.

6. The Holy Spirit Came down in a Unique Way on the Day of Pentecost​

When the Day of Pentecost arrived, and the Holy Spirit came down on the disciples in a new and unique way, the presence of Christ was with them all the more.

Although the visible presence of the risen Christ was no longer with the disciples, the Spirit of Christ was with them always.

CONCLUSION: THE TITLES EMPHASIZE THE HOLY SPIRIT DOES THE WORK OF JESUS​

Therefore the title “Spirit of Jesus Christ,” “Spirit of Christ,” or “Spirit of His Son” emphasizes the fact that the Holy Spirit was sent by Jesus. The Holy Spirit is not the same Person as Jesus Christ but rather He came to do Jesus’ work. In that sense He is the Spirit of Jesus.

 

[The Learner]

Summary – Question 16
Why Is the Holy Spirit Called, “the Spirit of Jesus Christ” and “the Spirit of Jesus?”​

The Bible makes a distinction between Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. They are, in fact, distinct Persons. Yet the Holy Spirit is sometimes called the Spirit of Jesus or the Spirit of Christ. This particular designation of the Holy Spirit has caused some people to assume that He and Jesus Christ are the same person. Yet, this is not the case.
The reason as to why the Holy Spirit is called the “Spirit of Jesus Christ,” the “Spirit of Jesus,” and the “Spirit of His Son” because He was sent by Jesus to remind the world of what Jesus did – not because they are the same Person.
For the disciples, the Holy Spirit was like having Jesus with them in a new and meaningful way. While the visible presence of Jesus Christ is no longer in the world, He is with believers in the Person of the Holy Spirit. This is the likely reason the Holy Spirit is known as the Spirit of Jesus of the Spirit of Christ.

Why Is the Holy Spirit Called,

Don Stewart :: Why Is the Holy Spirit Called,

www.blueletterbible.org

 

[The Learner]

Fun stuff

 

[Keiw]

Based on what though? I showed you that Greek doesnt define House as religion. There's not one word about not being chosen anymore or being cut off.

SO what you have said continues to be your opinion.

2+2 = 4--the Israelite religious leaders, head of the Israelite religion rejected their own Messiah and sent Gods son to his death--They are cut off unless they do verse 39, as 70 ce clearly shows God was not with them nor any who listened to them. To this day reject Jesus.

 

[Keiw]

Colossians 2:9​

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9 I say this because all of God lives in Christ fully, even in his life on earth.
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Colossians 2:9 in all English translations

COLOSSIANS 2:9
KJ21
For in Him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
ASV
for in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily,
AMP
For in Him all the fullness of Deity (the Godhead) dwells in bodily form [completely expressing the divine essence of God].
AMPC
For in Him the whole fullness of Deity (the Godhead) continues to dwell in bodily form [giving complete expression of the divine nature].
BRG
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
CSB
For the entire fullness of God’s nature dwells bodily in Christ,
CEB
All the fullness of deity lives in Christ’s body.
CJB
For in him, bodily, lives the fullness of all that God is.
CEV
God lives fully in Christ.
DARBY
For in him dwells all the fulness of the Godhead bodily;
DLNT
because in Him dwells all the fullness of the Deity bodily.
DRA
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead corporeally;
ERV
I say this because all of God lives in Christ fully, even in his life on earth.
EASY
The whole nature of God himself lives in Christ, in his human body.
EHV
For all the fullness of God’s being dwells bodily in Christ.
ESV
For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,
ESVUK
For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,
EXB
·All of God lives fully in Christ [L For in him all the fullness of deity dwells] ·in a human body [bodily; embodied],
GNV
For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
GW
All of God lives in Christ’s body,
GNT
For the full content of divine nature lives in Christ, in his humanity,
HCSB
For the entire fullness of God’s nature dwells bodily in Christ,
ICB
All of God lives fully in Christ (even when Christ was on earth).
ISV
because all the essence of deity inhabits him in bodily form.
PHILLIPS
Yet it is in him that God gives a full and complete expression of himself (within the physical limits that he set himself in Christ). Moreover, your own completeness is only realised in him, who is the authority over all authorities, and the supreme power over all powers.
JUB
For in him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily,
KJV
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
AKJV
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
LSB
For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells bodily,
LEB
because in him all the fullness of deity dwells bodily,
TLB
For in Christ there is all of God in a human body;
MSG
Watch out for people who try to dazzle you with big words and intellectual double-talk. They want to drag you off into endless arguments that never amount to anything. They spread their ideas through the empty traditions of human beings and the empty superstitions of spirit beings. But that’s not the way of Christ. Everything of God gets expressed in him, so you can see and hear him clearly. You don’t need a telescope, a microscope, or a horoscope to realize the fullness of Christ, and the emptiness of the universe without him. When you come to him, that fullness comes together for you, too. His power extends over everything.
MEV
For in Him lives all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
MOUNCE
For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells in bodily form,
NOG
All of God lives in Christ’s body,
NABRE
For in him dwells the whole fullness of the deity bodily,
NASB
For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,
NASB1995
For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,
NCB
For it is in him that the entire fullness of deity dwells in bodily form,
NCV
All of God lives fully in Christ (even when Christ was on earth),
NET
For in him all the fullness of deity lives in bodily form,
NIRV
God’s whole nature is living in Christ in human form.
NIV
For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
NIVUK
For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
NKJV
For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;
NLV
For Christ is not only God-like, He is God in human flesh.
NLT
For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body.
NMB
For in him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily,
NRSVA
For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,
NRSVACE
For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,
NRSVCE
For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,
NRSVUE
For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,
NTFE
In him, you see, all the full measure of divinity has taken up bodily residence.
OJB
Because in Moshiach kol melo Elohim (all the plentitude of G-d) finds its bodily maon laShechinah (dwelling place for the Shechinah).
RGT
For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead, bodily.
RSV
For in him the whole fulness of deity dwells bodily,
RSVCE
For in him the whole fulness of deity dwells bodily,
TLV
For all the fullness of Deity lives bodily in Him,
VOICE
You see, all that is God, all His fullness, resides in His body.
WEB
For in him all the fullness of the Deity dwells bodily,
WE
Christ has everything that God has.
WYC
For in him dwelleth body-like all the fullness of the Godhead.
YLT
because in him doth tabernacle all the fulness of the Godhead bodily,

NWT
because it is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily.

Fact of life--there is one God--Jesus has a God just like us--God does not have a God.
(John 3:2-God was with Jesus-)-God did all the powerful works through Jesus( Acts 2:22)

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Christ Is In Me. I Am Enough. | Pastors Steven & Holly Furtick | Elevation Church

This guy is a serious heretic!

He's a purveyor of greasy grace in yo face

 

[Keiw]

NOT

Jesus= The one who sent him= Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD-John 17:3
Paul--There is one God to all= the Father.
Trinity teachers, The Father, son and holy spirit are the true God

See they do not match. One side is teaching lies, its not Jesus and Paul who are.

 

[The Learner]

Fact of life--there is one God--Jesus has a God just like us--God does not have a God.
(John 3:2-God was with Jesus-)-God did all the powerful works through Jesus( Acts 2:22)

Nice dodge friend. Fact is Col 2:9 even in your Bible, Proves Jesus is God, He has the complete divine, G_d Nature inside him.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-2
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2 Brothers and sisters, we have something to say about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. We want to talk to you about that time when we will meet together with him. 2 Don’t let yourselves be easily upset or worried if you hear that the day of the Lord has already come.

Both verses are the same on going Sentence and the Grammar is the same. NWT has day of Jehovah. Lord Jesus Christ both have the same Greek Word for Lord and Jehovah, Kuryos. If one translates one as Jehovah, the context and Grammar dictates that Both must be translated Jehovah. Thus, we have the Jehovah Jesus Christ.

 

[The Learner]

Jesus= The one who sent him= Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD-John 17:3
Paul--There is one God to all= the Father.
Trinity teachers, The Father, son and holy spirit are the true God

See they do not match. One side is teaching lies, its not Jesus and Paul who are.

In both texts, the Holy Spirit speaks. In Romans 8, He prays, interceeds. These prove, He is a Person.

Acts 13:2

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2 These men were all serving the Lord and fasting when the Holy Spirit said to them, “Appoint Barnabas and Saul to do a special work for me. They are the ones I have chosen to do it.”

Romans 8

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Life in the Spirit​

8 So now anyone who is in Christ Jesus is not judged guilty. 2 That is because in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit that brings life made you[a] free. It made you free from the law that brings sin and death. 3 The law was without power because it was made weak by our sinful selves. But God did what the law could not do: He sent his own Son to earth with the same human life that everyone else uses for sin. God sent him to be an offering to pay for sin. So God used a human life to destroy sin. 4 He did this so that we could be right just as the law said we must be. Now we don’t live following our sinful selves. We live following the Spirit.
5 People who live following their sinful selves think only about what they want. But those who live following the Spirit are thinking about what the Spirit wants them to do. 6 If your thinking is controlled by your sinful self, there is spiritual death. But if your thinking is controlled by the Spirit, there is life and peace. 7 Why is this true? Because anyone whose thinking is controlled by their sinful self is against God. They refuse to obey God’s law. And really they are not able to obey it. 8 Those who are ruled by their sinful selves cannot please God.
9 But you are not ruled by your sinful selves. You are ruled by the Spirit, if that Spirit of God really lives in you. But whoever does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to Christ. 10 Your body will always be dead because of sin. But if Christ is in you, then the Spirit gives you life, because Christ made you right with God. 11 God raised Jesus from death. And if God’s Spirit lives in you, he will also give life to your bodies that die. Yes, God is the one who raised Christ from death, and he will raise you to life through his Spirit living in you.
12 So, my brothers and sisters, we must not be ruled by our sinful selves. We must not live the way our sinful selves want. 13 If you use your lives to do what your sinful selves want, you will die spiritually. But if you use the Spirit’s help to stop doing the wrong things you do with your body, you will have true life.
14 The true children of God are those who let God’s Spirit lead them. 15 The Spirit that we received is not a spirit that makes us slaves again and causes us to fear. The Spirit that we have makes us God’s chosen children. And with that Spirit we cry out, “ Abba,] Father.” 16 And the Spirit himself speaks to our spirits and makes us sure that we are God’s children. 17 If we are God’s childn, we will get the blessings God has for his people. He will give us all that he has given Christ. But we must suffer like Christ suffered. Then we will be able to share his glory.

We Will Have Glory in the Future​

18 We have sufferings now, but these are nothing compared to the great glory that will be given to us. 19 Everything that God made is waiting with excitement for the time when he will show the world who his children are. The whole world wants very much for that to happen. 20 Everything God made was allowed to become like something that cannot fulfill its purpose. That was not its choice, but God made it happen with this hope in view: 21 That the creation would be made free from ruin—that everything God made would have the same freedom and glory that belong to God’s children.
22 We know that everything God made has been waiting until now in pain like a woman ready to give birth to a child. 23 Not only the world, but we also have been waiting with pain inside us. We have the Spirit as the first part of God’s promise. So we are waiting for God to finish making us his own children. I mean we are waiting for our bodies to be made free. 24 We were saved to have this hope. If we can see what we are waiting for, that is not really hope. People don’t hope for something they already have. 25 But we are hoping for something we don’t have yet, and we are waiting for it patiently.
26 Also, the Spirit helps us. We are very weak, but the Spirit helps us with our weakness. We don’t know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit himself speaks to God for us. He begs God for us, speaking to him with feelings too deep for words. 27 God already knows our deepest thoughts. And he understands what the Spirit is saying, because the Spirit speaks for his people in the way that agrees with what God wants.
28 We know that in everything God works for the good of those who love him. These are the people God chose, because that was his plan. 29 God knew them before he made the world. And he decided that they would be like his Son. Then Jesus would be the firstborn of many brothers and sisters. 30 God planned for them to be like his Son. He chose them and made them right with him. And after he made them right, he gave them his glory.

God’s Love in Christ Jesus​

31 So what should we say about this? If God is for us, no one can stand against us. And God is with us. 32 He even let his own Son suffer for us. God gave his Son for all of us. So now with Jesus, God will surely give us all things. 33 Who can accuse the people God has chosen? No one! God is the one who makes them right. 34 Who can say that God’s people are guilty? No one! Christ Jesus died for us, but that is not all. He was also raised from death. And now he is at God’s right side, speaking to him for us. 35 Can anything separate us from Christ’s love? Can trouble or problems or persecution separate us from his love? If we have no food or clothes or face danger or even death, will that separate us from his love? 36 As the Scriptures say,
“For you we are in danger of death all the time.
People think we are worth no more than sheep to be killed.”
37 But in all these troubles we have complete victory through God, who has shown his love for us. 38-39 Yes, I am sure that nothing can separate us from God’s love—not death, life, angels, or ruling spirits. I am sure that nothing now, nothing in the future, no powers, nothing above us or nothing below us—nothing in the whole created world—will ever be able to separate us from the love God has shown us in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Footnotes​

1. Romans 8:2 you Some Greek copies have “me.” Also in the next sentence.
2. Romans 8:15 Abba An Aramaic word that was used by Jewish children as a name for their fathers.

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[The Learner]

Jesus= The one who sent him= Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD-John 17:3
Paul--There is one God to all= the Father.
Trinity teachers, The Father, son and holy spirit are the true God

See they do not match. One side is teaching lies, its not Jesus and Paul who are.

If you do Bowman's Biblical Outline you will see you are completely wrong.

 

[Keiw]

Nice dodge friend. Fact is Col 2:9 even in your Bible, Proves Jesus is God, He has the complete divine, G_d Nature inside him.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-2
Easy-to-Read Version

2 Brothers and sisters, we have something to say about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. We want to talk to you about that time when we will meet together with him. 2 Don’t let yourselves be easily upset or worried if you hear that the day of the Lord has already come.

Both verses are the same on going Sentence and the Grammar is the same. NWT has day of Jehovah. Lord Jesus Christ both have the same Greek Word for Lord and Jehovah, Kuryos. If one translates one as Jehovah, the context and Grammar dictates that Both must be translated Jehovah. Thus, we have the Jehovah Jesus Christ.

Only by your religion twisting the reality of it.
Jehovah isn't translated Kurios-Wicked men put that in the altered translations by satans will. To mislead ones like you who refuse to support Gods will over satans will on the matter of his name in his bible over 7000 places where he wants it. Only the false religions supporting satans will on that matter use the altered translations. All using them are being mislead.

 

[Keiw]

If you do Bowman's Biblical Outline you will see you are completely wrong.

Not if one believes Jesus--All his true followers do= 100% fact.

 

[The Learner]

My Bad, tired again friend. The correct word is kyriou. The point stands kyriou means Jehovah in both cases.

 

[The Learner]

Only by your religion twisting the reality of it.
Jehovah isn't translated Kurios-Wicked men put that in the altered translations by satans will. To mislead ones like you who refuse to support Gods will over satans will on the matter of his name in his bible over 7000 places where he wants it. Only the false religions supporting satans will on that matter use the altered translations. All using them are being mislead.

Nothing like calling the Kettle Back. poor misleading translations is exactly what the NWT does. :cool:

 

[The Learner]

And, Bowman lists the Scriptures including what Jesus said.

Example:

Matthew 28:19

Easy-to-Read Version

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19 So go and make followers of all people in the world. Baptize them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

KJ21
Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost,
ASV
Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit:
CSB
Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
CEB
Therefore, go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
EHV
Therefore go and gather disciples from all nations by baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
ESV
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
ESVUK
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
EXB
So go and make ·followers [disciples] of all ·people in the world [the nations]. Baptize them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
GNV
Go therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the Name of the Father, and the Son, and the holy Ghost,
GW
So wherever you go, make disciples of all nations: Baptize them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.
GNT
Go, then, to all peoples everywhere and make them my disciples: baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,
HCSB
Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
MOUNCE
Therefore go and make disciples of all · nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
NOG
So wherever you go, make disciples of all nations: Baptize them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.
NABRE
Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit,
NASB
Go, therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
NASB1995
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
NCB
Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
NCV
So go and make followers of all people in the world. Baptize them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
NET
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
NIRV
So you must go and make disciples of all nations. Baptize them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
NIV
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
NIVUK
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
NKJV
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
NLV
Go and make followers of all the nations. Baptize them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
NLT
Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
NMB
Go therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
NRSVA
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
NRSVACE
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
NRSVCE
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
NRSVUE
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
NTFE
So you must go and make all the nations into disciples. Baptize them in the name of the father, and of the son, and of the holy spirit.
OJB
Go, therefore, make talmidim for Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach of all the nations, giving them a tevilah in a mikveh mayim in Hashem, in the Name of HaAv, and HaBen, and HaRuach Hakodesh,
RGT
“Go, therefore, and disciple all nations; baptizing them in the Name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost;
RSV
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
RSVCE
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
TLV
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, immersing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Ruach ha-Kodesh,
VOICE
Go out and make disciples in all the nations. Ceremonially wash them through baptism in the name of the triune God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
WEB
Go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
WE
So go and make disciples in all countries. Baptise them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.
WYC
Therefore go ye, and teach all folks, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost;
YLT
having gone, then, disciple all the nations, (baptizing them -- to the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,

NWTGo, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations,o baptizing themp in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit,

 

[The Learner]

He did promise to come, but he has never named the date. Meanwhile we are to be ready for his coming at any time and to look for it joyfully. But we are to leave that to the Father and push on the campaign for world conquest. This program includes making disciples or learners (μαθητευσατε) such as they were themselves. That means evangelism in the fullest sense and not merely revival meetings. Baptism in (εις, not into) the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, in the name of the Trinity. Objection is raised to this language in the mouth of Jesus as too theological and as not a genuine part of the Gospel of Matthew for the same reason. See Matthew 11:27 (NAS)
27 "All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son determines to reveal Him.
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41 "The one who receives a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and the one who receives a righteous person in the name of a righteous person shall receive a righteous person's reward.
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41 "The men of Nineveh will stand up with this generation at the judgment, and will condemn it because they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and behold, something greater than Jonah is here.
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