Hey, @St. SteVen: I'm going to have to take a break because I can't keep up the pace at which I have been posting here, but you have identified what is surely THE central problem here and elsewhere: Bibliolatrists vs. Everyone Else. Bibliolatry stifles any effort at a genuine discussion and exchange of ideas. It's an absolute discussion-killer. If one more Bibliolatrist "helpfully" tells me I need to turn to The Word, The Word, The Word, The Word and stop this ungodly activity called thinking, I may just move on (hold your applause, Bibliolatrists).
Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author
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Thanks for the heads-up.
YES, YES, YES... by all means take a break when you need it. I understand.
Rest and rejuvenate. We'll see you again soon.
You can always PM me if you need to talk to someone out of the line of fire.
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Wick Stick
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In the beginning was the word, and the word was made paper, and printed among us?
No... doesn't seem quite right.
Hillsage
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No, I haven't cast bible away. If you're asking you obviously haven't been reading me I have more RED BIBLE verses than I've seen by most here. Have you ever cast out a demon from someone? I have, and the first time someone manifested a demon there were three of us. who had never seen a deliverance. My brother (a church elder), and the husband of the woman who was manifesting for an hour. As she was breathing in, after coughing so long/hard we thought she would pass out.....but instead, a deep guttural growl came OUT of her. Another time a smallish guy that took 3 of us to hold him down at times during a 4 hour deliverance. I could go on with testimonies. But I'd like to first hear one 'supernatural thing' from you. Because so far, you really talked 'above' like a FundaMENTAList. So, ball is in your court before I really even feel comfortable talking to you, at what I call a supernatural spiritual level.
I'm just as sure that MOST who sit in MOST churches don't have fellowship with the Lord. Billy Graham, once said; "I don't believe 85% in the church are even SAVED (URL below). But I'm sure you know more than Billy too. How many have YOU led to the Lord, or baptized in water, or discipled until they went from 'baby' to an 'equal' in the things of God?
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Hillsage
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What was your USERNAME back then? If it was the same as now, all I can say is my 'forgoter' outran my 'rememberer'. Getting booted really upset me. In all those years I think I only had 4 or 5 rebukes from the MODs. I fought their reasoning but they didn't want to hear BIBLE VERSES, they just nailed me on the NICENE Creed which was written in 325 AD by JESUS.....apparently. But apparent to me was that's when the "the church" under the original apostles, graduated to "the church of Rome", and then at Nicea graduated again to be "The Roman Catholic church". I just didn't know so many 'today' hold to their doctrines.
Ohhhh, don't say that. You're going to give Carl more justification for his comment concerning he must be doing something wrong since he hasn't been booted from the old CF.Famed criminal defense lawyer F. Lee Bailey once said that any defense lawyer who had never gone to jail for contempt of court wasn't a real lawyer. Perhaps any Christian who hasn't been banned from a Christian forum isn't a real Christian?
Hillsage
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I thought I said something 'to that effect' in my first post to you. You had barely got here and had THREADS galore. That's why I questioned whether you had been on a forum before.
Take a break then....OLD MAN....
But don't check out on us. You are an interesting read and that category needs more presence IMO anyway.
Well, then probably not good to talk. I am assuming that you think supernatural are things like as you said demon possession casting out, or being slain in the Spirit maybe, or supernatural things like that. I wouldn't know why I would need to do something supernatural to have any credibility.
You wont see these outta me. So we probably shouldn't talk. I'd take it with a grain of salt anyway.. Seen a lot of TV prophets make failed prophecies, or saying "Fire" and people fall,.
Scares the dickens out of me.
No need to post to me anymore, and I'll reciprocate.
Ziggy
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Well, good thing for the printing press.
In Germany, around 1440, the goldsmith Johannes Gutenberg invented the movable-type printing press, which started the Printing Revolution.
And thanks to the Apostles we have letters that we can refer to that were written for our learning.
I find the Bible is a handy tool that we can refer to about anything.
Yes it contains the words of God and the words of Jesus and prophets and moses and letters. So much is written there and still there is more that happened over the last how ever may millenium that is not written, not recorded for all the world to digest.
Some call it God's manual for the believer. I agree. I have a manual for my car, but I've never opened it yet. And I can still operate the vehicle.
My dad taught me how to drive when I was about 8 on an old country road. He didn't tell me I needed a manual. But it's always good to have one just incase you break down, or the engine light goes on.
The bible is a lot more focused on the overall learning of lifeskills in the spirit.
All the years of hand me downs from one generation to another coaching us according to how they understood what they read.
But I've learned a lot from peoples experiences with life without reading the book too.
It's a little difficult to study the word and show thyself approved unto God, rightly dividing the word of truth, if you don't have something to study to begin with.
But the Bible is not God. Neither is it the Word of God. It is a book that has recorded what the Word of God has said to those who wrote it down for our learning.
But God speaks in other ways as well. We hear the sounds everyday in our conscience, telling us what we should or shouldn't do.
How we should conduct ourselves in random situations. I talk to Jesus when I'm driving in my car, when I'm cooking dinner, when I go to bed and when I get up. I don't hear audible replies but I hear him talking to my heart. I know he hears me and I'm always seeking his advice.
Sometimes I will be directed to look in a certain place in the bible for reassurance or confirmation. I try not to lean on my own understanding and justify myself when I am in doubt. Most of the answers are in the bible because most humans have experienced the same experiences we have ourselves. So it's like therapy. Everybody throughout the pages sharing their experiences through time and throughout the world.
I've never found a book that I enjoy more or spend more time reading. But I do a lot more talking than I do reading the bible page by page.
I don't think I've ever read the bible from cover to cover without being sent on a mission to find something somewhere else.
And if you ask me what chapter and verse. I'm clueless. I know it's in there, but I have to find it.
Some people real good with book knowledge. But I learned a long time ago that book knowledge only gets you so far. It's when you have to get out and live those words that the most learning, first hand knowledge, street smart knowledge, stays in your memory a lot easier.
It's the experience that matters, more than just the knowledge.
You have to walk the walk and not just talk the talk if you ever really want to get anywhere in your training.
And I learn new things everyday, whether in the bible or out of the bible. God teaches us all kinds of things in many different ways.
So that's my story.
LOL
Hugs
In Germany, around 1440, the goldsmith Johannes Gutenberg invented the movable-type printing press, which started the Printing Revolution.
And thanks to the Apostles we have letters that we can refer to that were written for our learning.
I find the Bible is a handy tool that we can refer to about anything.
Yes it contains the words of God and the words of Jesus and prophets and moses and letters. So much is written there and still there is more that happened over the last how ever may millenium that is not written, not recorded for all the world to digest.
Some call it God's manual for the believer. I agree. I have a manual for my car, but I've never opened it yet. And I can still operate the vehicle.
My dad taught me how to drive when I was about 8 on an old country road. He didn't tell me I needed a manual. But it's always good to have one just incase you break down, or the engine light goes on.
The bible is a lot more focused on the overall learning of lifeskills in the spirit.
All the years of hand me downs from one generation to another coaching us according to how they understood what they read.
But I've learned a lot from peoples experiences with life without reading the book too.
It's a little difficult to study the word and show thyself approved unto God, rightly dividing the word of truth, if you don't have something to study to begin with.
But the Bible is not God. Neither is it the Word of God. It is a book that has recorded what the Word of God has said to those who wrote it down for our learning.
But God speaks in other ways as well. We hear the sounds everyday in our conscience, telling us what we should or shouldn't do.
How we should conduct ourselves in random situations. I talk to Jesus when I'm driving in my car, when I'm cooking dinner, when I go to bed and when I get up. I don't hear audible replies but I hear him talking to my heart. I know he hears me and I'm always seeking his advice.
Sometimes I will be directed to look in a certain place in the bible for reassurance or confirmation. I try not to lean on my own understanding and justify myself when I am in doubt. Most of the answers are in the bible because most humans have experienced the same experiences we have ourselves. So it's like therapy. Everybody throughout the pages sharing their experiences through time and throughout the world.
I've never found a book that I enjoy more or spend more time reading. But I do a lot more talking than I do reading the bible page by page.
I don't think I've ever read the bible from cover to cover without being sent on a mission to find something somewhere else.
And if you ask me what chapter and verse. I'm clueless. I know it's in there, but I have to find it.
Some people real good with book knowledge. But I learned a long time ago that book knowledge only gets you so far. It's when you have to get out and live those words that the most learning, first hand knowledge, street smart knowledge, stays in your memory a lot easier.
It's the experience that matters, more than just the knowledge.
You have to walk the walk and not just talk the talk if you ever really want to get anywhere in your training.
And I learn new things everyday, whether in the bible or out of the bible. God teaches us all kinds of things in many different ways.
So that's my story.
LOL
Hugs
Carl Emerson
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For the record, when someone wants to play scripture ping pong and avoid reason, I refer then to James 3 which clearly says that the Wisdom from above is reasonable - i.e. able to be discussed.
If they refuse to engage in this way, I make it clear that they are not manifesting His Wisdom.
If they refuse to engage in this way, I make it clear that they are not manifesting His Wisdom.
Ziggy
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I like this one:
Isa 1:18
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
and this one:
Ecc 7:25
I applied mine heart to know, and to search, and to seek out wisdom, and the reason of things, and to know the wickedness of folly, even of foolishness and madness:
Ecc 7:29
Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.
hugs
I think the determination between Maturity and Childishness is usually on display here quite often.
I probably shouldn't admit it, but I've been banned from enough forums under enough different names that I can't exactly pin down who I was. "Runner" was one I used quite a bit. "LBP," possibly. I actually think I remember Carl from a couple of forums.What was your USERNAME back then? If it was the same as now, all I can say is my 'forgoter' outran my 'rememberer'. Getting booted really upset me. In all those years I think I only had 4 or 5 rebukes from the MODs. I fought their reasoning but they didn't want to hear BIBLE VERSES, they just nailed me on the NICENE Creed which was written in 325 AD by JESUS.....apparently. But apparent to me was that's when the "the church" under the original apostles, graduated to "the church of Rome", and then at Nicea graduated again to be "The Roman Catholic church". I just didn't know so many 'today' hold to their doctrines.
Ohhhh, don't say that. You're going to give Carl more justification for his comment concerning he must be doing something wrong since he hasn't been booted from the old CF.
St. SteVen said:
New forum topic.
What Does Christian Maturity Look Like? - "... solid food is for the mature..." - Heb. 5:14
Please visit the topic (link above) and help us define maturity. Thanks.
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New forum topic.
What Does Christian Maturity Look Like? - "... solid food is for the mature..." - Heb. 5:14
Agree. - LOL
Please visit the topic (link above) and help us define maturity. Thanks.
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Oh, dear, you've sucked me into at least looking at that thread and seeing if I have anything to add.
Relative to the banning issue, I would note:
EVERY TIME I have been banned, it has been because some prominent Bibliolatrist, or group thereof, couldn't take any more non-Bibliolatry. Folks with screen names like Living4TheWord. :) No, in "real Christianity" we are CERTAIN about everything, have NO questions or doubts, see NO ambiguities, and find the answer to EVERY question of life right there in black and white in the King James Version.
It would be interesting to know if Biblioatrists are EVER banned at any Christian forums. It appears they can tell non-Bibliolatrists they "aren't real Christians," "need to get right with God," "apparently have never read the Bible," yada yada, with near-absolute immunity.
I don't know why so many forums seem to think they must function as Bibliolatry Protection Societies and reduce the discussion to the level of Vacation Bible School. I will say that this one seems more tolerant and gently moderated than most.
You are omniscient, as there is nothing to know.
You are omnipresent as direct experience is the entire universe.
You are omnipotent as you are being direct experience.
There is nothing on the other side of that wall.
Thought only seems to make it so.
Love all the days of your life, for all the days of your life are love.
Mature is no more than what is, and what isn’t, and you Are.
As I was in studies for ministry, I entered as a "fundamentalist" because my beliefs were those that I received from other "fundamentalists." Imagine my shock to find out that my understanding of scripture didn't match the contents of same!
It was by learning the difference between exegesis and eisegesis combined with the history of the bible and the origin of the church that I discovered that I had a very long way to go.
That being said, I now have a large number of years behind my hermeneutic belt trying to find out what Yahweh wants me to know. Halfway through this process, I found that my desire to see passages a certain way (that put me in harmony with the church I was attending) was squelched by conviction gained from God's spirit. It hit me as a serious conviction. I didn't want it - I didn't want to be separated from my brothers and sisters in Christ. I am not the one who did the separating - they did.
Now I am grateful to God for teaching me and to those who caused me to question the things I had been taught. University taught me how to study, but God has given me the results. I don't have all the answers yet and probably never will. I do have those I needed now, and that is good for me. When I need more, I'll get another conviction from my Father.
It was by learning the difference between exegesis and eisegesis combined with the history of the bible and the origin of the church that I discovered that I had a very long way to go.
That being said, I now have a large number of years behind my hermeneutic belt trying to find out what Yahweh wants me to know. Halfway through this process, I found that my desire to see passages a certain way (that put me in harmony with the church I was attending) was squelched by conviction gained from God's spirit. It hit me as a serious conviction. I didn't want it - I didn't want to be separated from my brothers and sisters in Christ. I am not the one who did the separating - they did.
Now I am grateful to God for teaching me and to those who caused me to question the things I had been taught. University taught me how to study, but God has given me the results. I don't have all the answers yet and probably never will. I do have those I needed now, and that is good for me. When I need more, I'll get another conviction from my Father.
Thank you.
On the contrary, my good fellow. The promise is restoration. (not destruction)
Acts 3:21 NIV
Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets.
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A thousand apologies. I know you were hoping to get some rest AWAY from this God-forsaken place.
But I would be most PLEASED to get your input. Thanks.
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