The Gospel of Reconciliation

[Robert Pate]

What is already not separate?

Don't know exactly what you mean.

Jesus has reconciled all of humanity to God, so that now, "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

Calling on the Lord to save you is an act of faith. Therefore, salvation is by grace through faith, Ephesians 2:8.

 

[Phil .]

Don't know exactly what you mean.

It’s as straightforward and simple as a question could be.

There might be many things that come to mind that are separate.

What is already not separate?

 

[Robert Pate]

It’s as straightforward and simple as a question could be.

There might be many things that come to mind that are separate.

What is already not separate?

There is nothing that is separate. We are complete "In Christ" Colossians 2:10.

 

[Phil .]

There is nothing that is separate. We are complete "In Christ" Colossians 2:10.

There might be many things that come to mind, such as nothing, we, etc.
But what is already not separate?

 

[Robert Pate]

There might be many things that come to mind, such as nothing, we, etc.
But what is already not separate?

You are going to have to be more specific. I don't understand what you are talking about.

 

[brightfame52]

Don't know exactly what you mean.

Jesus has reconciled all of humanity to God, so that now, "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

Calling on the Lord to save you is an act of faith. Therefore, salvation is by grace through faith, Ephesians 2:8.

False teaching, and this conditions salvation on the act of man

 

[Robert Pate]

False teaching, and this conditions salvation on the act of man

Man is not his own savior. Jesus saves and he saves to the utter most, Hebrews 7:25. God has provided salvation for everyone, Hebrews 2:9.

If you wind up in hell it will be because you are in denial of this fact.

 

[brightfame52]

Man is not his own savior. Jesus saves and he saves to the utter most, Hebrews 7:25. God has provided salvation for everyone, Hebrews 2:9.

If you wind up in hell it will be because you are in denial of this fact.

You make man his own saviour by saying he isnt saved until his act of faith, regardless if Christ died and reconciled him to God.

 

[Robert Pate]

You make man his own saviour by saying he isnt saved until his act of faith, regardless if Christ died and reconciled him to God.

Faith and love are very closely related. How can you love a God that damns innocent people to hell before they are born. Maybe your parents. Maybe your children. It is not possible for anyone to have faith and love the God of Calvinism.

 

[Phil .]

You are going to have to be more specific. I don't understand what you are talking about.

There might be many things that come to mind, such as someone who has to be something or someone or someway they aren’t, for someone… and or someone who does or doesn’t understand someone or some thing.

But what is already not separate?

 

[brightfame52]

Faith and love are very closely related. How can you love a God that damns innocent people to hell before they are born. Maybe your parents. Maybe your children. It is not possible for anyone to have faith and love the God of Calvinism.

I dont know what you talking about now, but I know you make salvation conditioned on mans act of faith, thats works salvation

 

[Robert Pate]

I dont know what you talking about now, but I know you make salvation conditioned on mans act of faith, thats works salvation

The only people that are going to be in heaven are those that have faith in God and his Son Jesus Christ. You want to call that works. This is why you may not be there.

 

[brightfame52]

The only people that are going to be in heaven are those that have faith in God and his Son Jesus Christ. You want to call that works. This is why you may not be there.

You make salvation conditioned on man not Jesus Christ

 

[Phil .]

Heaven’s unconditional. That’s why it’s heaven.

 

[brightfame52]

Making Peace /reconciliation by the blood of His Cross !2

Now the word peace in Col 1:20

20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Its the greek word eirénopoieó: I make peace, reconcile.

to make peace, establish harmony:

Now Christ by His death established Peace and Harmony, reconciliation between the Parties of Men and God, the relationship was mended on both sides !

Now one may ask how could this be, when those Christ died for are born into this world as sinners and enemies like others are See Rom 5:10 ! They are by nature alienated from the Life of God ! But here's how it was done. When Christ rose from the dead, after having died for the sins of God's Sheep, sins that had been charged to Him, He rose reconciled to God on their behalf, their sins having been put away, purged away Heb 1:3

Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Now God was reconciled to Christ and the Sheep in Him, having been alienated from Him in Divine Justice because of their sins; Christ for sins imputed was forsaken of God the Righteous Judge Matt 27:46

46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? See also Ps 22:1 !

You see when God the Father was executing His fierce wrath upon the Son Shepherd and Surety for the sins of His People , He was as the Prophet wrote:

Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity:

And at this time God was not at Peace with His Son for Justice sake, He abandoned Him to the curse and condemnation for the iniquities of His Chosen, He turned away from, was alienated from Him, because of the blackness of sins charged upon Him !

But yet after He exhausted His Justice, and to give evidence that He has been exonerated, God raised Him from the Dead as the God of Peace Heb 13:20

20 Now the God of peace/reconciled, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

The word for peace here means:

eirḗnē (from eirō, "to join, tie together into a whole") – properly, wholeness, i.e. when all essential parts are joined together; peace (God's gift of wholeness).

Christ was raised from the Dead, reconciled to God, and God to Him, but not for His sake, but for the sake of the People He died for, and put away their sins. God now sees all for whom He died as being in Harmony with Him, because Christ their Head is. Its just like with Adam, before the fall of the elect in him, they in adam were in harmony and friendship with God ! The harmony between both Parties has been restored by Christ blood establishing Peace, and this is the Message of Peace in the Gospel Rom 10:15

And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

Not a possibility of Peace if they do this or that, but Peace in that they have in Christ, been reconciled to God, and God to them ! 10

 

[Robert Pate]

Making Peace /reconciliation by the blood of His Cross !2

Now the word peace in Col 1:20

20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Its the greek word eirénopoieó: I make peace, reconcile.

to make peace, establish harmony:

Now Christ by His death established Peace and Harmony, reconciliation between the Parties of Men and God, the relationship was mended on both sides !

Now one may ask how could this be, when those Christ died for are born into this world as sinners and enemies like others are See Rom 5:10 ! They are by nature alienated from the Life of God ! But here's how it was done. When Christ rose from the dead, after having died for the sins of God's Sheep, sins that had been charged to Him, He rose reconciled to God on their behalf, their sins having been put away, purged away Heb 1:3

Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Now God was reconciled to Christ and the Sheep in Him, having been alienated from Him in Divine Justice because of their sins; Christ for sins imputed was forsaken of God the Righteous Judge Matt 27:46

46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? See also Ps 22:1 !

You see when God the Father was executing His fierce wrath upon the Son Shepherd and Surety for the sins of His People , He was as the Prophet wrote:

Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity:

And at this time God was not at Peace with His Son for Justice sake, He abandoned Him to the curse and condemnation for the iniquities of His Chosen, He turned away from, was alienated from Him, because of the blackness of sins charged upon Him !

But yet after He exhausted His Justice, and to give evidence that He has been exonerated, God raised Him from the Dead as the God of Peace Heb 13:20

20 Now the God of peace/reconciled, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

The word for peace here means:

eirḗnē (from eirō, "to join, tie together into a whole") – properly, wholeness, i.e. when all essential parts are joined together; peace (God's gift of wholeness).

Christ was raised from the Dead, reconciled to God, and God to Him, but not for His sake, but for the sake of the People He died for, and put away their sins. God now sees all for whom He died as being in Harmony with Him, because Christ their Head is. Its just like with Adam, before the fall of the elect in him, they in adam were in harmony and friendship with God ! The harmony between both Parties has been restored by Christ blood establishing Peace, and this is the Message of Peace in the Gospel Rom 10:15

And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

Not a possibility of Peace if they do this or that, but Peace in that they have in Christ, been reconciled to God, and God to them ! 10

If some were reconciled to God before the foundation of God (predestination) then they already have peace with God. They don't need Jesus Christ. They don't need anything. You try to mix Christianity with Calvinism, it won't mix.

 

[brightfame52]

If some were reconciled to God before the foundation of God (predestination) then they already have peace with God. They don't need Jesus Christ. They don't need anything. You try to mix Christianity with Calvinism, it won't mix.

All I can do is present truth to you.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The Gospel of Reconciliation

Did anyone mention yet that people that never knew God to begin with cannot be "reconciled"

It would be called something other than "reconciliation" if God created all babies to be sinners.

All I can do is present truth to you.

Calvinism is false doctrine brought forth by a man that had people killed for disagreeing with him.

1 John 3:15
Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

 

[brightfame52]

Did anyone mention yet that people that never knew God to begin with cannot be "reconciled"

It would be called something other than "reconciliation" if God created all babies to be sinners.




Calvinism is false doctrine brought forth by a man that had people killed for disagreeing with him.

1 John 3:15
Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Tulip is really the Gospel!

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Tulip is really the Gospel!

Only for those that don't have the Holy Ghost to teach therm the Word of God.