What Is "Predestination"? How Does It Shape Your Daily Life?

[marks]

I thought you were not going to be speaking with me. What made you change your mind?

I never meant that I'd never converse with you again, only on that topic it wasn't working out for edification.

But I did want to nudge you towards owning your opinons as being that, your own opinions, as you made your negative pronouncements of me. Just a little meta-communication.

Much love!

 

[Hazelelponi]

No demonic spirit can ever indwell the spirit of a Born Again.

Only the mind can be attacked..

Those without the Spirit may believe what you say above.

Look, some people might be kept by God if they have a diminished capacity..

People with, for example, a diminished capacity need to consider the opinions and accept the suggestions of their parents or siblings, the people close to them as to what church to attend.

I met a sick woman once who couldn't read scriptures on her own, her husband needed to care for her Scriptural study plan and things of that nature and she needed a certain structure to learning and understanding Scripture correctly. (She had really bad OCD or something, met her online).

Those people we always pray that God keeps them secure.

But if we don't need the extra care, then God does ask of us to search out the Scriptures, to learn and grow in very natural ways of learning.

Human beings need that. And we need that to be all that God wants us to be.

 

[GracePeace]

I never meant that I'd never converse with you again, only on that topic it wasn't working out for edification.

But I did want to nudge you towards owning your opinons as being that, your own opinions, as you made your negative pronouncements of me. Just a little meta-communication.

Much love!

There is, in fact, something wrong when a person cannot recognize, or refuses to recognize, something so plain, and insists on such a mind-bendingly silly reading, so, as opposed to before, I do not really look forward to discussing things with you.

 

[Ritajanice]

Look, some people might be kept by God if they have a diminished capacity..

It doesn’t matter if they have diminished capacity if they are Born Again...once you have been Born Of The Spirit that’s it, you have eternal security..period.

People with, for example, a diminished capacity need to consider the opinions and accept the suggestions of their parents or siblings, the people close to them as to what church to attend.

You know all about that do you?

I met a sick woman once who couldn't read scriptures on her own, her husband needed to care for her Scriptural study plan and things of that nature and she needed a certain structure to learning and understanding Scripture correctly.

Listen, a very sick woman doesn’t have to read scripture to know that they are loved by God and Born Again..they already know that in their heart/ spirit?

It would be comforting to them if their husband reads scripture to them on their sick bed.

Those people we always pray that God keeps them secure.

But if we don't need the extra care, then God does ask of us to search out the Scriptures, to learn and grow in very natural ways of learning.

We grow in the Spirit, we mature in the Spirit.

God doesn’t say we grow in the natural..we grow in the Spirit.

John 15:4 KJV – Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

Romans 12:1-2 KJV – I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20 KJV – What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.

Galatians 5:16 KJV – This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Ephesians 2:10 KJV – For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Philippians 1:6 KJV – Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Colossians 3:16 KJV – Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

1Thessalonians 4:1 KJV – Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more.

Human beings need that. And we need that to be all that God wants us to be.

And what does God want his Born Again children to be?

 

[BlessedPeace]

what does the word say,

who is condemned?

vs whp is not condemned?

who’s fault is it if they are condemned forever? Gods, or ours?

Fault,no. Responsibility,decision, Election, yes. And to that question,the answer per God's word is,God.

 

[Bob Estey]

Yes,

And David said God knew him before that moment.

God knew everything you would ever do from the day you were born until the day you do.

You’re not going to surprise God. And he say, wow i did not know he would do that..

It would be hard to know someone who doesn't exist, yet God could have anticipated what that person would be like before that person came into being.

Here I am thinking again.

 

[Bob Estey]

If he does not. Then those people would have an excuse and God could not judge them

But Romans 1 says no one has an excuse..

Which verse?

 

[marks]

I do not really look forward to discussing things with you.

That is entirely up to you whether you do or not.

Much love!

 

[JBO]

Should paul just say we are dead in adam, and take our own guilt away?

You were not born alive in christ, then die the moment you first sinned. You would have been in christ then, not in adam,,

I do believe that we were "in God" when we were born. But more to the point, I think being "in Adam" is only a euphemism for being human physically and not being in any way subject to Adam for our spiritual condition or well-being. I believe the very idea of traducianism is absolutely ludicrous.

 

[MatthewG]

With predestination intact, does that mean in a certain view, that God desires to recompense man by coming back again to destroy the world and to make it new, along with everyone else who God did not predestined, all burn alive in hell forever and ever for the glory of Yahava?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I told you I am Born Again.....

How can anyone follow Christ without his Spirit?

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I did not ask you this, I asked you if you followed Christ.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Once again ..” your words”. “ your opinion”

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

I did not write these words.

 

[Ritajanice]

I did not ask you this, I asked you if you followed Christ.

I’ve already told you I’m Born Again, work it out for yourself..I only answer to God, thanks.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I’ve already done my repenting thanks .I’m a child of God...forgiven by God and in the righteousness of Christ.

I’m not under the law I’m under grace.

KJV
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

You are a hard one

If you do not want to confess. its ok.. We all know what you did

 

[Ritajanice]

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

I did not write these words.

Heed that scripture then.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Fault,no. Responsibility,decision, Election, yes. And to that question,the answer per God's word is,God.

So God is responsible for my unbelief?

I just want to make sure I understand what you said.. It is not quite clear to me.

 

[Ritajanice]

You are a hard one

If you do not want to confess. its ok.. We all know what you did

I don’t care what “ you” think...I will reserve my thoughts on what I think about you...I only care what God thinks ...and again I believe he relayed a message to me about you..again I will keep those thoughts to myself.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It would be hard to know someone who doesn't exist, yet God could have anticipated what that person would be like before that person came into being.

Here I am thinking again.

Is God omniscientt? Is God outside of time?

yes for you and I it is hard to fathom. But its not about us and our limited minds.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Which verse?

the whole chapter..

but read this one verse

Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I do believe that we were "in God" when we were born. But more to the point, I think being "in Adam" is only a euphemism for being human physically and not being in any way subject to Adam for our spiritual condition or well-being. I believe the very idea of traducianism is absolutely ludicrous.

So we were alive at one time. where is this in scripture?

In adam all die.. Just take him literally, thats my best advise to myself and everyone