David in NJ
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Please allow me to ask - What are the 3 Resurrections?
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David in NJ
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There is ONLY one 'Bodily Resurrection' for those in MESSIAH =
Isaiah 26:19
Your dead shall live;
Together with my dead body they shall arise.
Awake and sing, you who dwell in dust;
For your dew is like the dew of herbs,
And the earth shall cast out the dead.
Daniel 12: 1-3
At that time Michael shall stand up,
The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people;
And there shall be a time of trouble,
Such as never was since there was a nation,
Even to that time.
And at that time your people shall be delivered,
Every one who is found written in the book.
2And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
Some to everlasting life,
Some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3Those who are wise shall shine
Like the brightness of the firmament,
And those who turn many to righteousness
Like the stars forever and ever.
Luke 20:34-38
Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. 37But even Moses showed in the burning bush passage that the dead are raised, when he called the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ 38For He is not the God of the dead but of the living, for all live to Him.”
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen sleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
15For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
18Therefore comfort one another with these words
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? Do you really believe that only males are resurrected? This is making a distinction where none exists. When scripture says something like, "and so death passed upon all men for that all have sinned", this is speaking in generalities of humankind - not only males who have sinned. (Unless you want to say that women are sinless and only men are sinners, which would be ridiculous) Scripture is full of references using a masculine gender in the word form that actually applies universally to either gender.
There is a specific chronological "order" to the resurrection events. 1 Cor. 15:23 describes the first two resurrections (that of Christ the First-fruits - which also included the Matthew 27:52-53 saints - and afterward those that were His at His coming.) These are the two group resurrection events that have already happened, since Christ promised to bodily return before some of those He personally spoke to had died - Matthew 16:27-28). But since "we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ", that necessitates a third group resurrection in our future at the final judgment.
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She was watching over animals... but was not watching over the souls of
people which is something only men are anointed by the Lord to do as per
1 Timothy 3:1-13, Titus 1:6-9, and 1 Timothy 2:12,13.
Oh I do agree that she was a shepherdess only of groups of wooly critters. I suppose that she had no physical brothers able to do that job. Could that ever happen with groups of people? In my own experience, my pastors, good or not, called by God or not, were always physical men.
The Lord always has a man... He has always had someone to step up when needed.
Back in the mid 80s I went to a church started by 2 ladies and that was their primary excuse... "there's no men to step up and be our pastor" which of course was not true.
What they really meant was they didn't agree with the men they had been working with previously that left the group because the ladies demanded to be the pastors over their church.
Once the Lord started dealing with me about OSAS being false doctrine which lead to learning a bunch of other stuff taught in churches was also false doctrine... He got me to where He led me to study the women being pastors things and it was thin that I saw in the new testament that God anoints men to be pastors, deacons, church leaders
What brought a lot of this one was the church I attended with the 2 lady pastors had turned in to free gracers and became deeply involved in the extremes of the charismatic movement where foundational bible doctrine was no longer being taught and it was all about felling good bout yo self and becoming rich and of course they pressured people frequently to give extra money over and above their regular giving.
As all this was going on I knew that....
David in NJ
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Yes, I can see that. Our God is always able to perform that He wants to perform.
When my wife and I came to the Lord in 1976, there were two women evangelists holding what they called a revival meeting. They were not pastors or shepherdesses. One played the piano and both of them sang. One of them preached. My wife was baptized in the Holy Spirit during that time. Both of us had only Catholic backgrounds and neither of us had ever read the Bible. I was not baptized until 6 weeks after my wife... long after the "revival" was finished... and the two evangelists were gone. The pastor of the assembly, by the way, was a man and according to what I know, he was the worst pastor we ever had.
It took me many years to understand where I was and where I had been. Looking back, I can see many errors on the part of people in charge as well as my own errors... I was always opposed to OSAS even before I realized just what it was that some of them were saying in favor of it.
As to women in the pulpit, I had at least a couple other momentary experiences in that direction, which seemed to support your position. That is my experience. For the first time since 1976, I am completely unattached from any "home church". Circumstances make it unlikely that I ever will be again... but that has nothing to with women versus men in the pulpit. I will leave it at that in God's hands.,
I understand your dissatisfaction with that situation. I never had it like that with women in the pulpit [never having had a woman pastor[, but certainly with men.
We must each go where God leads us.
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David in NJ
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You asked me = "Do you really believe that only males are resurrected?"
Answer = NO
To God, it does not matter whether you are a man or a woman, BOTH genders who are Born-Again become "sons of God" in SPIRIT.
Galatians ch3
For you(men & women) are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
No, I had not, but I just now went back to read it. Seems like I repeated some of what you already covered. Unfortunately, I seldom read all of a thread especially when it is very long. May God richly bless you my friend.
Yeah, I had one of those guys... the Assembly of God church I got saved in had a pastor that was really more of an evangelist than a pastor as he could folks fired up to get saved... but he wasn't much on teaching how to live the Christian life after getting saved.
And as a young man having issues with being tempted to chase the pretty young women... you can't just go to a woman "pastor" to talk about that sort of thing.
David in NJ
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You, my Brother Amadeus, is God's rich blessing to myself and many others.
Thank you for your love and patience and encouragement.
Our pastor was neither a good teacher or was he good at getting folks fired up. He pressed at one time to divorce my wife because she was too outspoken... though when she did so she was usually speaking the negative truth about him. The Lord has softened my wife, but not while we were sitting under that pastor. We needed to leave... and we finally did.
Aye, that would be a problem. It was not for me as by the time I was sitting under a pastor [Catholic Church excluded] I was already married with two small children.
I've heard some preachers say that if someone is really that un-happy about the pastor of a church they belong to... it would be better to leave then to speak out about him in front of other members which could cause some of them to stumble.
I've had to leave churches too similar to this. I've visited numerous churches in my area and have found them all to be teaching reformed theology and basically being nothing more than a social club.
I can have a good time socially joking around with the rednecks down at walmarts!
Church should be much more than a social club where they talk about everything under the sun except for the deeper things of God's Word so people can be challenged in the Lord to grow spiritually.
Yes, it was better for us to leave. The church had originally been located in Downey, CA, in the Los Angeles area. Some years before our time, the pastor decided to move the whole assembly to a small town across the Bay from San Francisco. That was a move of about 400 miles. A large part of the congregation under his strong influence and direction chose to move with him. When we were leaving the church, more than one of the members told us that we would be back... that it was God's will for us to be part of that assembly. Of course, we never returned.
Yes, when they pushed my old pastor out of his church in 2018 my wife and I left as well. He was 93 years old at the time, and two people in the church wanted his title and authority. He was a widower with no offspring and needed help. Instead of helping him they regularly publicly insulted him and forced him to leave. He continued visiting other churches all over the United States until his death in 2022. He had faults, but he was the best pastor we ever had.
From the time we left that church in 2018 I began visiting the various churches located in our community hoping to find a new home church. I did that until 2020 when most of the assemblies stopped having physical meetings because of Covid 19. By the time churches were reopening, my fight against cancer began. Now for the moment the cancer is behind me, but we are living with my daughter, and I am unable to drive. This may change soon, but while I will be visiting churches again it is very unlikely that I'll find a home church again.
Most of the ones I visited previously I would not even visit again for different reasons... but I am still trusting God.
Yep, sometimes out of necessity in these last days we're not going to be able to be a part of a formal church body considering the failing away brought on by all the false doctrine.
I was brought up to believe I should be a part of a church body but then later I had to choose between siting under false doctrine and being disobedient to to the scriptures in doing so... or, having church at home and fellowship with Christian friends as needed so that's what I'm doing now.
I'm not opposed to going to a church, but I'd need to know they put God's word first rather than participating the the Joel Osteen style popularity contest most church are involved in these days
I was brought up to believe I should be a part of a church body but then later I had to choose between siting under false doctrine and being disobedient to to the scriptures in doing so... or, having church at home and fellowship with Christian friends as needed so that's what I'm doing now.
I'm not opposed to going to a church, but I'd need to know they put God's word first rather than participating the the Joel Osteen style popularity contest most church are involved in these days
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EXACTLY. You are so right on this. But did you ever consider that women also have the same reluctance to go to a male pastor to talk about things of this nature? This is not appropriate or seemly to do either. I have been in a cult-like church in the past for many years where this situation led to the minister sinning grievously with women and girls of the assembly. A total blight on the name of Christ.
This is why I believe God has always intended the assembly to ideally have BOTH genders represented in the ministry to the congregation, for accountability and checks and balances of inappropriate situations. The "family of God", (just like the family home with a mother and father) should be led by a man / woman or men / women ministers which can provide balanced edification of the members. A couple of male elders leading the congregation is reflective of the abomination of a same-sex marriage. Likewise, two women leading a congregation would also be reflective of the same thing, and should be avoided.
That's why the Bible teaches that the older women should teach the younger women.
The women just cannot be teaching the entire congregation where there are men present as this is outside of God's will... and when God's will is being ignored, it's an open door to 'ol slewfoot to come in with some deception
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That's why the Bible teaches that the older women should teach the younger women.
The women just cannot be teaching the entire congregation where there are men present as this is outside of God's will... and when God's will is being ignored, it's an open door to 'ol slewfoot to come in with some deception
It goes beyond the scope of that text to say that the older women should ONLY teach the younger women to love their husbands and children, and never to teach a male anything.
Teaching regarding scriptural matters is not the exclusive task of the minister alone anyway. I'm sure you remember the Romans 15:14 text where Paul commends the entire assembly, saying, "And I am persuaded, my brethren - I myself also - concerning you, that ye yourselves also are full of goodness, having been filled with all knowledge, able also one another to admonish." This is not men alone being commended for this. All of the Roman believers were able to admonish one another. When a male cannot bring himself to receive admonition or knowledge from a fellow congregant who happens to be female, he is refusing something which Paul referred to as "goodness".
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