What Is "Predestination"? How Does It Shape Your Daily Life?

[Johann]

"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed" Galatians 1:8

If you don't know the Scriptures you don't know if you are hearing false doctrine.

Her-

Like I said, you don’t need to read a Bible to know you are Born Again, as Gods word is Alive and Active.



Glad to see you have discernment.
J.

 

[Ritajanice]

"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed" Galatians 1:8

If you don't know the Scriptures you don't know if you are hearing false doctrine.

Like I’ve said..Jesus is the good news...God is the initiator of drawing us to Jesus, he does it his way...also the Holy Spirit is like the wind as Jesus explains to Nicodemus.

The Holy Spirit is everywhere just like the wind, so you never know when he will make us Born Of The Spirit...and you can’t see him.
...Gods word is Alive and Active..just because you read the scripture. that doesn’t make you Born Again...that is a Spiritual Living rebirth that only God can do.

Sounds like you lack spiritual understanding, that Gods Spirit is a Living Spirit?

Of course the carnal mind could never understand this...

You will never see the Kingdom of God by furiously searching the scripture...you must be Born Of The Spirit.

Or by copying and pasting..you can only know God via his Spirit...when he decides to make us Born Again...his choice, his decision.



Only then do you have eyes and ears to hear and see.

Without the Spirit you are blind and deaf.....

Romans 8

King James Version

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[marks]

I notice not much have changed here-know what I mean?

Yes, I do know. I think it's become worse.

Much love!

 

[marks]

If you don't know the Scriptures you don't know if you are hearing false doctrine.

Amen!! Knowing the Scriptures protects us from error.

Much love!

 

[Ritajanice]

Amen!! Knowing the Scriptures protects us from error.

Much love.

That depends...whose to say who is in error or who isn’t...only the Holy Spirit knows, not man I’m afraid.

 

[marks]

That depends...whose to say who is in error or who isn’t...only the Holy Spirit knows, not man I’m afraid.

So far, I haven't come across a single heresy that is not addressed in some manner in the Bible.

I agree, only the Holy Spirit knows. So when the Holy Spirit nudges me towards a passage, I find in black and white the answer to the question. But I believe we can know, when we receive and believe the plain sayings of the Bible.

Much love!

 

[Ritajanice]

So far, I haven't come across a single heresy that is not addressed in some manner in the Bible.

I agree, only the Holy Spirit knows. So when the Holy Spirit nudges me towards a passage, I find in black and white the answer to the question. But I believe we can know, when we receive and believe the plain sayings of the Bible.

Much love!

It all takes time to understand in the Spirit..and let’s face it, many, many, interpret scripture very differently...my spirit is only open “ now” to God via his Holy Spirit...I’ve listened to too many preaching Gods word, I listen but, I don’t take on board opinions
..I just wait on God for spiritual understanding/knowledge..
Spiritual discernment is a wonderful gift, again it needs to grow and mature.imo.

It means “to understand or know something through the power of the Spirit. … It includes perceiving the true character of people and the source and meaning of spiritual manifestations” (Guide to the Scriptures, “Discernment, Gift of,” scriptures

 

[Bob Estey]

true

But when David said God knew him before he was in his mothers womb (before he was even born)

then we should use our brains as you say, And take David at his word.

Again, God is outside of time,, We should not bring him down to our level as if he did not know what would happen.

I don't know exactly when we become alive. Perhaps at the moment of conception.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No it doesn’t...it means what God’s word says it means...we were spiritually dead and alienated from God...

THANK YOU For ONCE AGAIN AGREEING WITH ME,

We have been over this at least three times today are you going to realise this or not?

we still have a spirit, living ,breathing, unfortunately it’s in self and not with Christ as in Alive with Christ.

I guess you need to ask yourself that nonsensical question ?

Like I said, i do not need to ask myself anything, I have said multiple times now. Spiritual death is the spirit with in me being dead or seperated to God.

But until you actually read what people say, I guess you will continue to not get it

 

[Bob Estey]

the fault is on the person who did not believe until they died.

I am not sure where this eternal torture comes from. Being separated from God in itself is torture.. God did not do it. He paid for their sin, They did it to themselves

You talk about not believing. It's easy for me to believe because God came into my life and made me aware of his presence. Doe he do that with all people?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I’m not a Christian I’m Born Again?

There you go falsly accusing again..

 

[Ritajanice]

THANK YOU For ONCE AGAIN AGREEING WITH ME,

We have been over this at least three times today are you going to realise this or not?

Like I said, i do not need to ask myself anything, I have said multiple times now. Spiritual death is the spirit with in me being dead or seperated to God.

But until you actually read what people say, I guess you will continue to not get it

The same applies to you.

Opinions are not the word of God.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You’re not Christian?

You have to watch her, She has trouble reading.

 

[Ritajanice]

There you go falsly accusing again..

What?...I said I am not a Christian ..I am Born Again.

I will not be bullied by you to take on the Name Christian..

I am Born Again.

There is no scripture that says Born Again Christian.

 

[Ritajanice]

You have to watch her, She has trouble reading.

I have no problem reading.

You have the problem, by telling me I’m a Born Again Christian...goodness knows how many times.

‘‘Tis you with the problem.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Once again your opinion...which I disagree with.you could have well gone back and edited your posts.

My opinion?

Yousaid i never said something,

I proved to you I did, at least twice.

and now your running again by saying it is your opinion?
sorry, But when you make an acusation someone did not say something, and they did say it, You saying it is your opinion does not cut it

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If your spirit was dead (separated) from God when you were both, what is the significance of Ephesians 2:1 and Colossians 2:13 where Paul says that we were dead in our (your) trespasses and sins?

Should paul just say we are dead in adam, and take our own guilt away?

You were not born alive in christ, then die the moment you first sinned. You would have been in christ then, not in adam,,

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It’s the Holy Spirit in our spirit, you know he’s the one who opens our hearts and minds to understand God’s word?

God speaks to us through our spirit does he not?..via the Holy Spirit?

All of God’s word are revealed by his Spirit...the carnal mind has no understanding of anything spiritual, it’s foolishness to them as Gods word says.

The problem is satan comes as an angel of light. Many people think they Holy Spirit is talking to them, when in reality it is the demonic spirit of satan

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I don't know exactly when we become alive. Perhaps at the moment of conception.

Yes,

And David said God knew him before that moment.

God knew everything you would ever do from the day you were born until the day you do.

You’re not going to surprise God. And he say, wow i did not know he would do that..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You talk about not believing. It's easy for me to believe because God came into my life and made me aware of his presence. Doe he do that with all people?

If he does not. Then those people would have an excuse and God could not judge them

But Romans 1 says no one has an excuse..