What Is "Predestination"? How Does It Shape Your Daily Life?

[GracePeace]

Oh... Lol. Okay... Well I guess I went down the wrong path then.

I thought we were still on clothing but I always see that as more immersion where the only thing that seems left is God.

So mindlessness then?

I actually don't consider the idea that God "wears" us the slightest bit controversial.

I thought you were going to address mindlessness.

 

[Hazelelponi]

If you think God does not "wear" us, despite my having shown you precedent for it in Scripture (from Jeremiah), again, I invite you to find an example of anything else on earth that performs acts that it itself is not performing (because Paul said "I was abundant in labors above them all, yet not I but the grace with me"). If you can't, then God wears us. Not sure why this would be controversial.

Let me ask you... Where do you place being mindful?

You said you were placing it elsewhere.. well this is where I place it, probably where I stress it the most.

 

[Ritajanice]

Your not Christian?

No I’m not...I’m Born Again are you Born Again?

Born Again Christian isn’t biblical....maybe 2,000 yrs ago.christian meant a follower of Christ, like the 12 disciples.....today you must be Born Again to see the Kingdom of God?

Christian doesn’t resonate with me...only way back 2,000 yrs ago...the disciples were called Christian I believe.

 

[GracePeace]

I thought we were still on clothing but I always see that as more immersion where the only thing that seems left is God.

As stated, it's both we are clad with Christ and Christ wears us--He's in us working His works.

 

[GracePeace]

Let me ask you... Where do you place being mindful?

You said you were placing it elsewhere.. well this is where I place it, probably where I stress it the most.

Being mindful?

 

[Hazelelponi]

No I’m not...I’m Born Again are you Born Again?

Born Again Christian isn’t biblical....maybe 2,000 yrs ago...today you must be Born Again to see the Kingdom of God?

Christian means follower of Christ.

So you either are a follower of Christ or your not.

Saying what you believe isn't Biblical isn't a good thing. Either you believe the Word of God or you believe something else..

And something else isn't good.

 

[Ritajanice]

Christian means follower of Christ.

So you either are a follower of Christ or your not.

No, Gods word doesn’t say that...you are either Born Again or you aren’t.

Believing in God doesn’t save anyone, even the demons believed...we must be Born Again our spirit needs to be Born Again?

Anyone can say they follow Christ..you must be Born Again to follow Christ..for without the Spirit we are none of His?

Saying what you believe isn't Biblical isn't a good thing. Either you believe the Word of God or you believe something else..

And what have you been saying?..a Christian is a follower of Christ..not biblical?

I am Born Again chosen / predestined by the Living word of God.

Which is Alive and Active...you don’t need to read a Bible to become Born Again..if you believe that..then you deny the Living word of God who is Spirit?

And something else isn't good.

It sure ain’t..especially if you limit God, to a book.

Hebrews 4:12

King James Version

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12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Being mindful?

Yes, making certain all my actions line up with Scripture and I'm always using my mind as much as the Holy Spirit.

Your either open to God or open to the demonic yes?

We see the demonic all the time claiming to know God...

So it's always about discernment I guess... Making sure in more ways than one that we're on the right track yes?

While the Holy Spirit leads and guides I always make sure I'm still following the right voice and haven't gone off track.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You never said that...now you say it was separated from God....I said that first..not you.scroll up you will find it.

Typical. Again you do not read what I say

But we eventually will earn our own death, when we sin. The reward we earn for sin is death or separation from God.

I always saw it this way.

Physical death is where the spirit is separated from the body

Spiritual death is where the spirit is separated from God.

 

[GracePeace]

Yes, making certain all my actions line up with Scripture and I'm always using my mind as much as the Holy Spirit.

Your either open to God or open to the demonic yes?

We see the demonic all the time claiming to know God...

So it's always about discernment I guess... Making sure in more ways than one that we're on the right track yes?

While the Holy Spirit leads and guides I always make sure I'm still following the right voice and haven't gone off track.

Yeah, I'm not against any of that, so I don't know what you mean by "mindlessness".

 

[Ritajanice]

Typical. Again you do not read what I say

Once again your opinion...which I disagree with.you could have well gone back and edited your posts.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Yeah, I'm not against any of that, so I don't know what you mean by "mindlessness".

There's a great example...

 

[GracePeace]

Yes, making certain all my actions line up with Scripture and I'm always using my mind as much as the Holy Spirit.

Your either open to God or open to the demonic yes?

We see the demonic all the time claiming to know God...

So it's always about discernment I guess... Making sure in more ways than one that we're on the right track yes?

While the Holy Spirit leads and guides I always make sure I'm still following the right voice and haven't gone off track.

Part of the problem with making sure my actions line up with Scripture has been an inability to reach a coherent conclusion from all I read there (and there's no one to make sense of it--already discussed with basically the world's top Pauline scholar, NT Wright, in email, and he doesn't have it right, either), together with my own experiences (which the Bible confirms, but also clashes with--then I have to find out from God how what the Word says and how my experiences actually are not clashing), but I think I'm getting past that now.

 

[GracePeace]

There's a great example...

I don't know what this means.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Part of the problem with making sure my actions line up with Scripture has been an inability to reach a coherent conclusion from all I read there, together with my own experiences (which the Bible confirms, but also clashes with--then I have to find out from God how they agree), but I think I'm getting past that now.

Do you hear the Holy Spirit?

When I was first that's how I came to the doctrine I have.

I was given the understanding that was basic yes? A basic doctrine. But it pointed to a specific doctrine, one I didn't yet fully understand.

But that is where I began learning. Growing in understanding. There's things I understand now that I couldn't have accepted 9 years ago.

Do you have a basic doctrine to begin?

How much did you grow from there?

 

[JBO]

I seriously believe God gave me a soul, spirit and body.

But my spirit was dead (seperated) from God. and because of this spiritual death, my dead spirit could only serve self The bible calls it the flesh

If your spirit was dead (separated) from God when you were both, what is the significance of Ephesians 2:1 and Colossians 2:13 where Paul says that we were dead in our (your) trespasses and sins?

 

[JBO]

Your not Christian?

Weird huh?

 

[GracePeace]

Do you hear the Holy Spirit?

When I was first that's how I came to the doctrine I have.

I was given the understanding that was basic yes? A basic doctrine. But it pointed to a specific doctrine, one I didn't yet fully understand.

But that is where I began learning. Growing in understanding. There's things I understand now that I couldn't have accepted 9 years ago.

Do you have a basic doctrine to begin?

How much did you grow from there?

Everyone has a basic doctrine if they're Christian--Christ crucified and resurrected.

 

[Ritajanice]

But that is where I began learning. Growing in understanding.

Learning ,growing in understanding...what sort of understanding?

By what means?

 

[Ritajanice]

Do you hear the Holy Spirit?

How do you hear the Holy Spirit?

Scripture please?