The Gospel of Reconciliation

[Tulipbee]

You said, Something about a "Calvinist twist." That is exactly what it is. You have to twist the scriptures. Predestination does not glorify God, it makes him an unmerciful tyrant. It is not possible to have faith in the God of Calvinism. No one is going to be laughing in your Calvinist Gospel Club. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. You might be better off to not believe in any God, than to blasphemy with all of your false doctrine.

Ah, Pate, you've thrown some theological fireworks into the Calvinist comedy club – where divine debates are spiced with a touch of humor. Let's keep the laughter divine and untangle this theological tango with a Calvinist response.
Pate, your bold statement about predestination – in the Calvinist comedy script, we might say, "A divine mystery – not a theological contortion, but a dance where God's sovereignty and mercy waltz together. It's like a cosmic ballet, where the choreographer is none other than the unchanging God."
Now, your claim that predestination makes God an unmerciful tyrant – in our Calvinist humor realm, we might respond with a chuckle, "Ah, the divine drama critics – predestination not as tyranny, but as a grand narrative where God's mercy shines brightest. It's like a celestial play where grace takes center stage."
And your warning of weeping and gnashing of teeth – a comedic Calvinist twist would be, "Oh, the celestial dentist's nightmare – weeping and gnashing of teeth not in the Calvinist comedy club, but in the refusal to embrace God's sovereign plan. It's like turning down a divine invitation to the greatest comedy show in eternity."
Now, let's sprinkle in some Calvinist wisdom – as John Calvin once said, "Our salvation begins with God, continues with God, and ends with God." So, in our Calvinist comedy, salvation is not a human achievement but a divine masterpiece where God's glory shines in every act.
Pate, let's keep the laughter divine and rooted in the Gospel truth – where the Calvinist comedy club is not about contorting scriptures but joyfully dancing in the sovereign rhythm of God's grace. #CalvinistComedyClub #GospelLaughs

 

[JBO]

To @JBO...

Then, according to you, my neighbor, age 80, who was immersed baptised when he was in his teens with others being immersed baptised was the occasion in that man's life that God promised to save him.View attachment 39652
Even though 60 some years later, with his wife already passed, he sat in our kitchen last year and said he had no idea why he was baptised......

Then obviously he was not a believer who was baptized, both of which are conditions. Salvation comes with conditions. Believing in God is the preeminent condition, but not the only condition.

 

[Robert Pate]

Ah, Pate, you've thrown some theological fireworks into the Calvinist comedy club – where divine debates are spiced with a touch of humor. Let's keep the laughter divine and untangle this theological tango with a Calvinist response.
Pate, your bold statement about predestination – in the Calvinist comedy script, we might say, "A divine mystery – not a theological contortion, but a dance where God's sovereignty and mercy waltz together. It's like a cosmic ballet, where the choreographer is none other than the unchanging God."
Now, your claim that predestination makes God an unmerciful tyrant – in our Calvinist humor realm, we might respond with a chuckle, "Ah, the divine drama critics – predestination not as tyranny, but as a grand narrative where God's mercy shines brightest. It's like a celestial play where grace takes center stage."
And your warning of weeping and gnashing of teeth – a comedic Calvinist twist would be, "Oh, the celestial dentist's nightmare – weeping and gnashing of teeth not in the Calvinist comedy club, but in the refusal to embrace God's sovereign plan. It's like turning down a divine invitation to the greatest comedy show in eternity."
Now, let's sprinkle in some Calvinist wisdom – as John Calvin once said, "Our salvation begins with God, continues with God, and ends with God." So, in our Calvinist comedy, salvation is not a human achievement but a divine masterpiece where God's glory shines in every act.
Pate, let's keep the laughter divine and rooted in the Gospel truth – where the Calvinist comedy club is not about contorting scriptures but joyfully dancing in the sovereign rhythm of God's grace. #CalvinistComedyClub #GospelLaughs

The sovereignty of God is only within his holy, just, perfect nature. There is no sovereignty in your perverted, unjust, unmerciful, tyrant God.

 

[Tulipbee]

The sovereignty of God is only within his holy, just, perfect nature. There is no sovereignty in your perverted, unjust, unmerciful, tyrant God.

Ah, Pate, the theological banter in the Calvinist comedy club continues – where divine debates get a dash of humor. Let's unravel this theological tapestry with a Calvinist response.

Pate, your claim about the perverted, unjust, unmerciful, tyrant God – in the Calvinist comedy script, we might say, "Oh, the celestial name-calling game – not a tyrant God, but a majestic King whose sovereignty flows from His holy and just nature. It's like a heavenly monarchy, where justice and mercy co-rule."

And the sovereignty of God within His holy, just, perfect nature – in our Calvinist humor realm, we might respond with a chuckle, "Ah, the divine constitution – not a limited sovereignty, but an all-encompassing rule where God's holiness sets the standard. It's like a cosmic legal code, where every decree reflects His perfect character."

Now, let's sprinkle in some Calvinist wisdom – as John Calvin once said, "Whatever is done in the world is done by God's design." So, in our Calvinist comedy, it's not about a perverted God but a meticulous Designer orchestrating the divine drama of redemption.

Pate, let's keep the laughter divine and rooted in the Gospel truth – where the Calvinist comedy club isn't about painting God as a tyrant but rejoicing in the sovereign symphony where justice and mercy harmonize. #CalvinistComedyClub #GospelLaughs

 

[Robert Pate]

Ah, Pate, the theological banter in the Calvinist comedy club continues – where divine debates get a dash of humor. Let's unravel this theological tapestry with a Calvinist response.

Pate, your claim about the perverted, unjust, unmerciful, tyrant God – in the Calvinist comedy script, we might say, "Oh, the celestial name-calling game – not a tyrant God, but a majestic King whose sovereignty flows from His holy and just nature. It's like a heavenly monarchy, where justice and mercy co-rule."

And the sovereignty of God within His holy, just, perfect nature – in our Calvinist humor realm, we might respond with a chuckle, "Ah, the divine constitution – not a limited sovereignty, but an all-encompassing rule where God's holiness sets the standard. It's like a cosmic legal code, where every decree reflects His perfect character."

Now, let's sprinkle in some Calvinist wisdom – as John Calvin once said, "Whatever is done in the world is done by God's design." So, in our Calvinist comedy, it's not about a perverted God but a meticulous Designer orchestrating the divine drama of redemption.

Pate, let's keep the laughter divine and rooted in the Gospel truth – where the Calvinist comedy club isn't about painting God as a tyrant but rejoicing in the sovereign symphony where justice and mercy harmonize. #CalvinistComedyClub #GospelLaughs

The God of the Bible is kind, just, merciful and not willing that any should perish, 2 Peter 3:9. There is no mercy, kindness, justice in your false Calvinist God. Instead, he delights in sending people to hell before they are born. Sick, sick, sick.

 

[Tulipbee]

The God of the Bible is kind, just, merciful and not willing that any should perish, 2 Peter 3:9. There is no mercy, kindness, justice in your false Calvinist God. Instead, he delights in sending people to hell before they are born. Sick, sick, sick.

Ah, Pate, the divine drama in the Calvinist comedy club unfolds – where theological banter meets a touch of humor. Let's shimmy through your comment with a Calvinist twist.

Your depiction of the God of the Bible as kind, just, and merciful – in the Calvinist comedy script, we might say, "Ah, the divine attributes on display – a God whose mercy and justice waltz together, not willing that any should perish. It's like a celestial ballroom dance where every step reflects His perfect character."

Now, Pate, your concern about the Calvinist God delighting in sending people to hell – in our Calvinist humor realm, we'd respond with a celestial chuckle, "Oh, the divine misconceptions – not a sadistic deity, but a God whose justice aligns with His holiness. It's like a heavenly courtroom where every judgment is righteous and fair."

And let's sprinkle in some Calvinist wisdom – as John Calvin once said, "Ignorance of God is the greatest of all miseries." So, in our Calvinist comedy, understanding the depths of God's character becomes the key to dispelling misconceptions.

Pate, let's keep the laughter divine and rooted in the Gospel truth – where the Calvinist comedy club isn't about painting God as a tyrant but reveling in the mystery of His mercy and justice. #CalvinistComedyClub #GospelLaughs

 

[brightfame52]

The we are the ones who were justified. Those who were justified are the elect; not vice versa as you would claim.

And yes I can read.

Again, Christ died for and reconciled to God, and saved by His Life all who believe, thats what reconciliation provides, to believe in Christ.

 

[brightfame52]

False.

Do you ever read John 3?

who is the we in Romans 5:

5 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

The same people who were born again in John 3.

Yet Jesus said he was sent to die for the world. and used Moses and the serpent as an example

If you say false, you oppose and deny the scripture. Rom 5:10 plainly states that they who Christ died for were #1 reconciled to God by His death while they were enemies, then it says, moreover being thus reconciled, they shall be saved by His Life, now if you dont believe that, you deny scripture and are in unbelief.

 

[brightfame52]

We are reconciled back to God through him giving up his Son to a terrible death.

That’s our only way back to God.in the Name of Jesus.

We are Born Again like the wind, after God has brought us to believe in Jesus, God drew us to Jesus God brought us to repentance/ Godly sorrow, he forgave all of our sins ..we are in right standing with God.

Then we were Born Again like the wind and have been Born Again of imperishable seed.
We are also given the gift of Faith, that is a manifestation of the Spirit?

So you seem to believe one must believe first before being born again . Is that correct ?

 

[brightfame52]

NO, and you should understand the "perfect" example Christ Jesus gave to the whole world.

He was on the cross on crucifixion day and incase YOU or anyone has forgotten this part...

Again from KJV for those who only follow King Jimmy's

Luke 24 : 39- 43

39 And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.

40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?

41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.

42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Only one was reconciled to God.

You said no. So you dont believe Christ died for everyone without exception, correct ?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

To @JBO...

Then, according to you, my neighbor, age 80, who was immersed baptised when he was in his teens with others being immersed baptised was the occasion in that man's life that God promised to save him.View attachment 39652
Even though 60 some years later, with his wife already passed, he sat in our kitchen last year and said he had no idea why he was baptised......

To@Eternally Grateful...

Thank you, thank you, thank you for bringing good common sense into this subject

He probably got baptized because everyone was doing it. or because his parents wanted him to do it. but had no idea what it meant.

I hope he came to Christ!

 

[Ritajanice]

So you seem to believe one must believe first before being born again . Is that correct ?

I believe God brings us to believe in Jesus first...no Born Again of imperishable seed or God given faith until we do,..that’s correct...God gives the Spirit and Faith to walk in the Spirit.

We are children of God...we have just met our maker, God....a new life ahead in his Son....a very hard and difficult journey to begin with...it gets much easier as we grow and mature in the Spirit...along the way the enemy has filled my head with confusion.

The Holy Spirit keeps me walking in Faith and through faith God has removed so much confusion from my head.

Remember, we aren’t being taught my our mother/ father anymore...we are being taught by God via his Spirit..and it ain’t easy..

Many here on this forum are confused..and if you don’t mind me saying..you sound more confused than anyone else on this thread @brightfame52 ...with respect..sorry I believe it had to be said.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Because that was not how I was Born Again...I was Born Again like the wind having never read a Bible..so how would I have known about the serpent?
I’ve already asked you this question, yet no reply?

We are Born Again exactly as Jesus explains to Nicodemus..do you actually understand that part of scripture?

That is how we are Born Again...

If you was not born again that way. Were you born again? when did you look to the cross so you could be saved (born again)

Nicodemus asked how.

Jesus said as Moses lifted the serpent, so too must he be risen, that whoever believes (looks) will not perish but have life (new both)

You keep giving the what, not the how.. You ignore the words that Jesus said..

We have been over this multiple times Please do not say I have no answered you.. That is bearing false witness

 

[brightfame52]

Ah, JBO and brightframe57, the theological banter in the Calvinist comedy club takes a delightful turn – where divine debates are spiced with a touch of humor. Let's pirouette through this discussion on grace, faith, and the scope of Christ's death with a Calvinist twist.

JBO, your reminder of Christ dying for the whole world – in the Calvinist comedy script, we might say, "A divine blockbuster – Christ, the cosmic superstar, taking center stage for the whole world. It's like a celestial movie premiere, and the believers are the enthusiastic audience donning their 'saved' tickets."

Now, brightframe57, your distinction between grace and faith – in our Calvinist humor realm, we'd say, "Ah, the divine duo – grace and faith, God's part and man's part. It's like a heavenly dance where God takes the lead, and believers follow in faith, gracefully twirling to the rhythm of redemption."

And let's sprinkle in some Calvinist wisdom – as John Calvin once said, "Faith is a singular gift of God, both in that the mind of man is purged so as to be able to taste the truth of God and in that his heart is established therein." So, in our Calvinist comedy, faith is not a self-generated performance but a divine gift.

Now, brightframe57, your reference to Romans 5:10 – in the Calvinist comedy club, we might respond with a chuckle, "Romans 5:10, the divine drama – reconciled to God by His death and saved by His life. It's like a celestial soap opera with the ultimate plot twist – Christ's resurrection."

So, JBO and brightframe57, let's keep the laughter divine and rooted in the Gospel truth – where Christ's death is indeed a cosmic blockbuster, and faith, a graceful dance in response to God's irresistible grace. #CalvinistComedyClub #GospelLaughs

More Blasphemy !

 

[brightfame52]

Ah, Ritajanice and brightframe57, the Calvinist comedy club welcomes you to the divine banter – where theological disagreements take center stage, and the laughter is seasoned with a touch of humor. Let's tango through this exchange with a Calvinist twist.

Ritajanice, your sincere hope and decision to exit – in the Calvinist comedy script, we might say, "Ah, the divine dance of disagreement. It's like a theological tango – one steps out, and the other remains, but the laughter continues."

Now, brightframe57, your confident response – in our Calvinist humor realm, we'd say, "Confidence level: Calvinist. It's like a divine game of 'Who Knows Theology Best?' – and apparently, you've got the theological clue, leaving others in a divine guessing game."

And let's sprinkle in some Calvinist wisdom – as John Calvin once said, "The gospel is not a doctrine of the tongue, but of life. It cannot be grasped by reason and memory only, but it is fully understood when it possesses the whole soul and penetrates to the inner recesses of the heart." So, in our Calvinist comedy, it's not just about the theological banter but about the Gospel transforming hearts.

Now, brightframe57, your claim of having a clue – in the Calvinist comedy club, we might respond with a chuckle, "Ah, the cosmic crossword puzzle of theology. Some find the clues, others get puzzled, but let's not forget, the laughter is in the Gospel's ultimate punchline."

So, Ritajanice and brightframe57, let's keep the laughter divine and rooted in the Gospel truth – where disagreements are part of the theological comedy, but the Gospel remains the central plotline. #CalvinistComedyClub #GospelLaughs

More Blasphemy

 

[Eternally Grateful]

But that is not what it says. They asked Jesus a question. Jesus answered their question. Their question was what work could they do. Jesus told them the work that they could do was to believe.

No,

Jesus said IT IS THE WORK OF GOD THAT WE BELIEVE

If that were the case then none would be lost.

Nope. Because God will not force you to take his gift.

Just like the children of Israel who looked at the only thing that could save them, we to much look in faith to the only thing that could save us

The command is to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Did you obey that command.

I obeyed it a year after I was baptised by God. I also try to do all he commands. do you? Why do you seperate one command from others?

The Jew wasn't circumcised for the forgiveness of sin. Baptism, even John's baptism was for the forgiveness of sin. As for circumcision,

Col 2:11 and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ;
Col 2:12 having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.
Col 2:13 When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions,

Yes, the spiritual baptism performed by God is the spiritual circumcision done without the hands of God.

The very passage you used proves my point

And I didn't say nor have ever said that baptism saves. God saves. The question is who does He save and when does He save him.

If you claim we are saved at baptism, you are claiming baptism saves..

The passage Colossians 2:11 that I just posted, tells you who god save and when; specifically it is the one who has faith and has buried with Him in Baptism. There is no avoiding the truth that the baptism there is water baptism.

Yes, and who buried us in christ?

Not my pastor. it was God the holy spirit who did this (romans 6)

My pastor baptised me in water to show what God did a year earlier.

 

[Ritajanice]

If you was not born again that way. Were you born again? when did you look to the cross so you could be saved (born again)

Nicodemus asked how.

Jesus said as Moses lifted the serpent, so too must he be risen, that whoever believes (looks) will not perish but have life (new both)

You keep giving the what, not the how.. You ignore the words that Jesus said..

We have been over this multiple times Please do not say I have no answered you.. That is bearing false witness

Im sorry, you are trying to tell me how to be Born Again....sorry bro you are very confused on what it means to be Born Again like the wind..did you actually read my post?

We are Born Again like the wind and you by no means understanding what that even means..because you keep denying Jesus words. @Eternally Grateful

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Then obviously he was not a believer who was baptized, both of which are conditions. Salvation comes with conditions. Believing in God is the preeminent condition, but not the only condition.

there is one condition

the cross.

Place your faith in the cross. or continue in unbelief

 

[brightfame52]

@Ritajanice

I believe God brings us to believe in Jesus first...no Born Again of imperishable seed or God given faith until we do,..that’s correct...God gives the Spirit and Faith to walk in the Spirit.

That figures, you promote the accursed gospel of salvation by works, by what a man does. However thats for a different thread.

 

[Ritajanice]

there is one condition

the cross.

Place your faith in the cross. or continue in unbelief

No...God brings us to believe...draws us to Jesus ,brings us to repentance/ Godly sorrow....you are wrong.