Keiw
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These believe-Matt 7:22-23-yet will hear those words as judgement from Jesus--believing is a partial truth-believing and obeying is a whole truth.
SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY
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Eternally Grateful
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those who have faith will work
those who merely believe will not work.
My work will not save me, Nor will it cause God to forgive me of one sin.
if our faith is in our works. We may believe God.. but our trust is in our works. Not God.
What is the address of your local church?
You say your work will not save you.
No ones own works save them. No where in the whole Bible does God teach our works save.
Only doing the works of God saves
The work of God that we work is faith John 6:28-29.
Jesus taught the work of faith pleases God.
Jesus did not teach faith alone salvation.
You said if your faith is in your works we may believe God but our trust is in our works not God.
You being a faith onlyist put your trust in your faith alone not God.
True faith puts trust in God when he says that confession with the mouth results in salvation.
True saving faith trusts what Gods word says. Therefore saving faith will speak from the mouth the confession in faith that God will save if obey His commandments, Romans 10:9-10
The faith onlyist will not trust Gods word to speak with the mouth the confession that leads to God saving someone.
Faith onlyist will only put their faith in their faith alone.
They trust that their faith by itself is all that they need to be saved.
Rather than trusting the word of God when the word instructs us to work His commandments to receive salvation.
Example of commandments that must be worked to be saved,
Belief, 1John 3:23-24
Repentance, Acts 17:30
Confession, Matthew 10:32-33; Luke 12:8; Romans 10:9-10; Acts 8:37
Baptism, Acts 2:38-39; Mark 16:15-16; Matthew 28:19, Acts 10:47-48
Eternally Grateful
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Not by works of righteousness which we have done, But by his mercy he saved us by the washing and renewal of the HS.
You want to earn your salvation. Feel free.. You will not like it when you meet Christ.
amigo de christo
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Then its time we preach to the entire realm of men and the inclusive united religoins ,
TO STOP PREACHING another love earning to GOD . they preach nothing but false love unto the masses
and worse even christendom is loving to hear of this lovey do way to GOD
that has completely omitted the LOVE OF GOD , THE DIRE NECESSITY TO BELIEVE ON CHRIST
replacing it with a concept that , well if they loved they knew god and all was well . THAT BE A LIE
and it aint love . Lets remember that the next time these love preachers bring a rainbow or a koran into the church
and imply dung to the masses .
amigo de christo
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For it is He who worketh in us that which is WELL PLEASING IN HIS SIGHT .
the lambs have HIS SPIRIT within us. But take note it says working that which is WELL PLEASING in HIS SIGHT .
dark rainbows , love of money , acceptance of other religons as being of GOD , YEAH IT AINT COMING
FROM GOD , FROM CHRIST , FROM THE SPIRIT
its coming from the DRAGON , ANTI CHRIST , FALSE SPIRITS that feed the flesh to UNIFY and make ready a peoples
FOR ANTI CHRIST . just saying , i see way too many being influenced by that which is of anti christ and not THAT WHICH IS OF CHRIST .
amigo de christo
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Ye shall know and discern those who preach a false love from those who preach the true love .
LITMUS TEST .
Now both sides will say GOD is love . but one side sure is making that path to GOD very friggin broad if ya know what i mean .
NOW here is how you gonna know your or any other church is already , TO SOME degree being affected and infected by
this false love . GET UP and start preaching on all reminders in the bible
IF you hear amens , all is well , IF YA HEAR HEY WAIT GOD IS LOVE YOU HATER , ALL IS NOT WELL .
FOR WHY WOULDTHEY HATE GODS WORDS. Exactly . false love leadeth away from GOD
and turns the heart HARD against HIS TRUTH . watchout , many are under the sway o false love as we speak .j
Runningman
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I'm glad you quoted it because it was already on my radar if you denied the rest of the verses. It only supplements the point of being judged by works, i.e., the things you do whether good or bad.
amigo de christo
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many forget the latter part which also said WHEREBY WE PERSAUDE MEN . persaude men .....
YEAH TO BELIEVE ON JESUS CHRIST . remember ALL DO STAND BEFORE HIM
you got goats you got sheep . THE SHEEP BELIEVED . THE SHEEP REJOICE on that day .
Just a friendly reminder . WHEREBY WE PERSAUDE MEN . persaude TO BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
FOR HE IS THE CHRIST . no muslim gonna like what they hear on HIS DAY nor will any other relgion
even if it claimed it had lovey do and many good works .
HERE IS THE PROOF ONE LOVES GOD . ready for it . its real simple . HAD YOU LOVED GOD YOU WOULD HAVE LOVED
ME . oops all other religions DENY HIM AS CHRIST . THEY DONT LOVE GOD AT ALL . PEROID .
so remember that the next time a pope or any man or woman or talking donkey or our mind
tries to convince us OTHERWISE . NO FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST equals NO LOVE FOR GOD PEROID .
Now i do need to remind us of something we all might know .
IF YA jesus is holding a rainbow , if ya jesus is holding hundred dollar bills and etc
IF ya jesus is in any way , shape , form or fashion CONTRARY to the ONE in the bible ,
IF ya jesus seemth to make the GOD of the old test into a monster
OR ANY SUCH THING , IT AINT JESUS CHRIST EITHER . and IT WONT SAVE SQUAT . Lets get in our bibles and feast
on it like its a ten course wonderous buffet . just a super friendly but super dire needful reminder .
Keiw
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Eternally Grateful
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Keiw
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Only those living now to do Jesus' Fathers will get to enter his kingdom( Matt 7:21)-- that will = Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY utterance from God-means learning( OT-NT) and obeying. Rom 6:16--Gods slaves( followers) obey him.
Eternally Grateful
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Your saved by Grace.. Through faith.. Not works.
You can obey until your blue in the faith. It will not save you
Keiw
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The only ones getting grace are those that live now to do Jesus' Fathers will--See Matt 7:21--Jesus assures they are the only ones who will be allowed to enter his kingdom. There is a whole bible one must live by.
Any can say they have faith, Peter did before he denied Jesus 3 x. And he saw first hand miracle after miracle, yet out of fear of men his faith faltered. Are you better and stronger than Peter? The rest of the apostles ran away.
Eternally Grateful
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You do not get grace because you earn it.
You recieve Grace because you can’t earn it
People who are obeying obey because they are saved, not to get saved..
Ephesians 2
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Matthew 10:
32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
God manifested himself in the flesh to become the redeemer and propitiation for fallen man. Then he returned to heaven in his true form, AS GOD!
1 Timothy 3
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory .
There are those here whom deny God's grace, his words of truth and his deity, as God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
I feel really sad for you if you do not repent before death for at the GWT judgment you will see he is truly God and there will be no mystery then !
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Matthew 10:
32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
God manifested himself in the flesh to become the redeemer and propitiation for fallen man. Then he returned to heaven in his true form, AS GOD!
1 Timothy 3
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory .
There are those here whom deny God's grace, his words of truth and his deity, as God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
I feel really sad for you if you do not repent before death for at the GWT judgment you will see he is truly God and there will be no mystery then !
@Titus
Please forgive my saying this but to always be saying to others whom post " WRONG" causes a shut down of communications.
I know you feel strongly about the truths you see but so do we all.
I believe in a firm stance as well and myself tend to be blunt but I am learning that to " reason together" is NOT to shut the door of conversation. It also ends up with us talking over or worse AT someone and they will not hear us !
Please forgive my saying this but to always be saying to others whom post " WRONG" causes a shut down of communications.
I know you feel strongly about the truths you see but so do we all.
I believe in a firm stance as well and myself tend to be blunt but I am learning that to " reason together" is NOT to shut the door of conversation. It also ends up with us talking over or worse AT someone and they will not hear us !
We hear the gospel of Christ for it is the power of God unto salvation. Romans 1:16
We either believe it to be truth and accept it, or deny it's truth and reject God's amazing love unto mankind. John 3:
As believers of God and his word we all must follow his commandments under the law of liberty; (1 Peter 2:16-17
As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God. Honour all men. Love the brotherhood.)
God's grace and our faith in Jesus will cause us to want to please him at the cost of our own lives, our desires, ect and be crucified with him.
I think the works that are in dispute are to do with the traditions and rituals of organized religions and the private interpretations of the doctrines of men; not the commands of our saviour.
We either believe it to be truth and accept it, or deny it's truth and reject God's amazing love unto mankind. John 3:
As believers of God and his word we all must follow his commandments under the law of liberty; (1 Peter 2:16-17
As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God. Honour all men. Love the brotherhood.)
God's grace and our faith in Jesus will cause us to want to please him at the cost of our own lives, our desires, ect and be crucified with him.
I think the works that are in dispute are to do with the traditions and rituals of organized religions and the private interpretations of the doctrines of men; not the commands of our saviour.
Ritajanice
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We are Born Again, exactly how God speaks it into being.
We are Born Again by his seed, which is the Living word of God, The Holy Spirit....” Spirit gives birth to spirit “
We were born of our human fathers seed.
We are Born Again...by our Fathers seed, who is God...by the power of the Holy Spirit...the seed of God is Living and he is the Holy Spirit...he is not dead......he brings life to those who are Born Again.....his Spirit brings our spirit out of darkness into his light,.....we become Alive in Christ’s Spirit.....as his word says.
We are Born Again by his seed, which is the Living word of God, The Holy Spirit....” Spirit gives birth to spirit “
We were born of our human fathers seed.
We are Born Again...by our Fathers seed, who is God...by the power of the Holy Spirit...the seed of God is Living and he is the Holy Spirit...he is not dead......he brings life to those who are Born Again.....his Spirit brings our spirit out of darkness into his light,.....we become Alive in Christ’s Spirit.....as his word says.
1 Peter 1:23
King James Version
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.Ephesians 2
New International Version
Made Alive in Christ
2 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh[a] and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath. 4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. 6 And God raised us up with Christand seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7 in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8 For it is by grace you have been saved,through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
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