Do you believe that ALL babies that die go to Heaven or only "the elect"?

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
So God told you to replace the "all" with "SOME"?
Is that what you call understanding and familiarity with Scripture?

Exactly! I gave you Matthew 1:21 as a proof text. It's a shame you don't believe the word of God.

LOL
I'm fine with the Bible, it's you I don't believe. Shameful misinterpretations.
I use the term "proof-text" in a negative sense. You seem to have taken the bait.

Let's open up the context a bit. I have a question for you.
Who is the each in verse 23?
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in turn...
Do you have a "proof-text" for that one?

1 Corinthians 15:22-23 NIV
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

 

[St. SteVen]

What do you make of this?

Romans 5:18 NIV
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.

@JunChosen
Are you still working on this one? Or perhaps it was overlooked?
Or maybe you are AVOIDING it all together.
Can't "proof-text" your way out of this one. - LOL

 

[Truther]

Chapter one of the gospel of John tells us that the Word was God... and that the Word became flesh. Verses 1 and 14.

No, the spoken word that made everything in Gen 1 was also made flesh in verse 14....


3 And God said, Let ...

6 And God said, ...

9 And God said, ...


11 And God said,..

14 And God said, Let there be ..,

20 And God said, Let the ...

24 And God said, Let the earth ...

26 And God said, Let us make man...



1 In the beginning was the (SPOKEN)Word, and the (SPOKEN)Word was with God, and the (SPOKEN)Word was God....

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.


14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

 

[Truther]

Why hasteneth thee to tellist thou me to useth verily obsolete unintelligible writings of thine 1611 edition?
No ye not of the better way lest understanding be lost on thee?

Much learning hath made thee mad.

Thou only needeth a 6th grade educationeth to read thy KJV.

Thou needeth a high school educationeth to readeth a NIV.

Show me one single verse you could not understandeth in your KJV when you first picketh it up?

 

[St. SteVen]

No, the spoken word that made everything in Gen 1 was also made flesh in verse 14....


3 And God said, Let ...

6 And God said, ...

9 And God said, ...


11 And God said,..

14 And God said, Let there be ..,

20 And God said, Let the ...

24 And God said, Let the earth ...

26 And God said, Let us make man...



1 In the beginning was the (SPOKEN)Word, and the (SPOKEN)Word was with God, and the (SPOKEN)Word was God....

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.


14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

I actually agree with that.
But that which became flesh was conceived by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Truther]

I actually agree with that.
But that which became flesh was conceived by the Holy Spirit.

Slight Correction. The spoken word of God made flesh was via conception of a sperm cell made by God to fertilize Mary’s egg.

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
I actually agree with that.
But that which became flesh was conceived by the Holy Spirit.

Slight Correction. The spoken word of God made flesh was via conception of a sperm cell made by God to fertilize Mary’s egg.

My post was a pretty direct quote.

Matthew 1:20 NIV
But after he had considered this,
an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said,
“Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife,
because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.

 

[Truther]

St. SteVen said:
I actually agree with that.
But that which became flesh was conceived by the Holy Spirit.

My post was a pretty direct quote.

Matthew 1:20 NIV
But after he had considered this,
an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said,
“Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife,
because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.

Yes, human conception involves a female egg cell.

 

[St. SteVen]

Yes, human conception involves a female egg cell.

Anything else, or is that it?

 

[Truther]

Anything else, or is that it?

God made a sperm cell to mate with Mary's egg and create the man Christ Jesus.

This qualifies him as both the BEGOTTEN son of God and son of man.

She did not self fertilize.

 

[St. SteVen]

God made a sperm cell to mate with Mary's egg and create the man Christ Jesus.

This qualifies him as both the BEGOTTEN son of God and son of man.

So, what was the point of this?
Was Joseph incapable of delivering a human sperm cell?
He had children with Mary later. Therefore he was capable.

 

[Truther]

So, what was the point of this?
Was Joseph incapable of delivering a human sperm cell?
He had children with Mary later. Therefore he was capable.

The point is Jesus is God and Mary’s biological son. He was not the son of just Mary and he was not the son of just God. He was the biological son of both and carried both of their traits. God makes biology with his spoken word.

 

[Truther]

And man was made in the image of the biological son of God… Him that wants to come.

 

[Truther]

Therefore, Jesus is the firstborn of all creation and has preeminence.

 

[St. SteVen]

The point is Jesus is God...

LOL
I thought that was the point you were arguing against.
The deity of Christ.

 

[St. SteVen]

Therefore, Jesus is the firstborn of all creation and has preeminence.

I thought that meant the firstborn from the dead in his resurrection.

 

[Truther]

LOL
I thought that was the point you were arguing against.
The deity of Christ.

The biological son of God aspect doesn't make him deity.

It makes him preeminent, as the firstborn of all creation.

...#1 in all things created.

 

[Truther]

I thought that meant the firstborn from the dead in his resurrection.

Both.

The first to be born and the first to die and resurrect.

The man, Christ Jesus transcends time via his Father's will.

 

[St. SteVen]

The biological son of God aspect doesn't make him deity.

Yes, of course. (son small s)
What about Son? (capital S) ???

It makes him preeminent, as the firstborn of all creation.

...#1 in all things created.

In what sense?
Biblical evidence?

 

[St. SteVen]

The man, Christ Jesus transcends time via his Father's will.

Right, He's God, he can do anything.
Doesn't mean he did. Evidence please.