Do you believe that ALL babies that die go to Heaven or only "the elect"?

[BlessedPeace]

When God formed man of the dust of the ground, He breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, that is man became a living soul and was able to live forever, as long as he obeyed God.

But man disobeyed God's command and man became subject to "the wages of sin is death" that is, God had to take back the life He gave to man.

(For [the children] being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) Romans 9:11

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14 What shall we say then? [Is there] unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then [it is] not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. Romans 9:13-16.

"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" Jeremiah 17:9

"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one." (this includes babies without exceptions!) Romans 3:10

"The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies...." Psalms 58:3-8.

The above is God's assessment of the human race! Do you still believe unsaved babies are innocent even after reading the above Scripture passages, and that all sinners without Christ will end up in hell?

Wicked people, including babies, go to hell BECAUSE they are sinners!

To God Be The Glory

You misunderstand the words.

Those who believe God sends the unborn, and newborn, to Hell if they die shall not be swayed.

Thank you Father, that you do not agree with them. That is all I need.:)

 

[Truther]

The deity of Christ is standard theology in Protestantism as well.

Philippians 2:5-7 NIV
In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.

What an absolutely horrible translation. Who wrote that, the pope?

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:

The deity of Christ is standard theology in Protestantism as well.

Philippians 2:5-7 NIV
In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.

What an absolutely horrible translation. Who wrote that, the pope?

LOL
What translations do you prefer?

 

[Siddhi Koli]

I think all babies that die to to Heaven, although I don't know that I can back that belief with scripture.

Might be argued that it would be better for all people if they all died as babies so that they would all go to Heaven rather than growing into adulthood and risking being condemned to Hell?

Yes they can go because is small and innocent.
Matthew 19:13-14

King James Version​

13 Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put his hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them.
14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

 

[JunChosen]

St. SteVen said:
Therefore, all means all in both instances.

Please explain the "as in" and "so in" phrases.
They mean, in the same way. How so?

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die so in Christ all will be made alive.

It is NOT the phrase "as in" or the phrase "so in" that are significant but rather the word "all" in the two views.

I've asked you to read 1 Corinthians 15:22 without any preconceived notions on your part, but you ignored me as if to say you know more than God.

You misunderstand the words.

Those who believe God sends the unborn, and newborn, to Hell if they die shall not be swayed.

Thank you Father, that you do not agree with them. That is all I need.:)

If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant Thank thee Father that is all I needed!

To God Be The Glory

 

[St. SteVen]

It is NOT the phrase "as in" or the phrase "so in" that are significant but rather the word "all" in the two views.

Right. All is all.
All die; all live. All is all.
Are you saying all die, and SOME live?
What happened to all?

Is this more to your liking?
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ some will be made alive.

I've asked you to read 1 Corinthians 15:22 without any preconceived notions on your part, but you ignored me as if to say you know more than God.

Are you claiming that you have no preconceptions?
Do you really believe that your "exercise" will prove you right?
I'm well familiar with that scripture and have studied it thoroughly.

 

[Behold]

3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Find us a 6 week old "baby" that can "speak" any language, and you'l have proven that you understood your verse.

Good luck with that, JunChosen.

 

[St. SteVen]

It is NOT the phrase "as in" or the phrase "so in" that are significant but rather the word "all" in the two views.

What do you make of this?

Romans 5:18 NIV
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.

 

[St. SteVen]

... you ignored me as if to say you know more than God.

So... agreeing with your personal opinion is agreeing with God?
What are you saying about yourself? (are you God?)

 

[Truther]

St. SteVen said:

The deity of Christ is standard theology in Protestantism as well.

Philippians 2:5-7 NIV
In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.

LOL
What translations do you prefer?

The KJV.

The NIV is as biased towards incarnationism as the Biden DOJ is biased against Trump.

 

[St. SteVen]

No, before that Jesus claimed that God was someone other than himself.

What do you make of this?
Jesus said...

John 10:30-33 NIV
30 I and the Father are one.”
31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him,
32 but Jesus said to them,
“I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”
33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,”
they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

 

[JunChosen]

Right. All is all.
All die; all live. All is all.
Are you saying all die, and SOME live?
What happened to all?

Yes, most definitely I'm saying all die and SOME live!!!

Matthew 1:21 reads:

And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

His people are ALL those whom the Father gave Him in eternity past and before the foundation of the world. John 17:11-12

You said: "Are you claiming that you have no preconceptions"?

Everybody has preconceptions! But I let the Scripture passage tell me what it has stipulated, and only then after searching the Bible for more information will I make my conclusion.

Do you really believe that your "exercise" will prove you right?
I'm well familiar with that scripture and have studied it thoroughly.

I'm sorry but you do not understand, nor are you familiar with that Scripture!

To God Be The Glory

 

[St. SteVen]

Yes, most definitely I'm saying all die and SOME live!!!

So God told you to replace the "all" with "SOME"?
Is that what you call understanding and familiarity with Scripture?

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

I'm sorry but you do not understand, nor are you familiar with that Scripture!

That's not fair. Both of those statements are false.
Just because you arrived at a different conclusion doesn't make mine false.
Even Jesus was open to alternative readings.

Luke 10:26 NIV
“What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”

 

[St. SteVen]

Everybody has preconceptions! But I let the Scripture passage tell me what it has stipulated, and only then after searching the Bible for more information will I make my conclusion.

So, you looked high and low to find a proof-text to support your preconception.
Terrific. And then you blame that on God? Way to go.

 

[Truther]

What do you make of this?
Jesus said...

John 10:30-33 NIV
30 I and the Father are one.”
31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him,
32 but Jesus said to them,
“I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”
33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,”
they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

Jesus was saying in the entire book of John that God was residing inside him, which makes them unified as one.

 

[Truther]

Use the KJV

 

[St. SteVen]

Jesus was saying in the entire book of John that God was residing inside him, which makes them unified as one.

Chapter one of the gospel of John tells us that the Word was God... and that the Word became flesh. Verses 1 and 14.

 

[St. SteVen]

Use the KJV

Why hasteneth thee to tellist thou me to useth verily obsolete unintelligible writings of thine 1611 edition?
No ye not of the better way lest understanding be lost on thee?

 

[JunChosen]

So God told you to replace the "all" with "SOME"?
Is that what you call understanding and familiarity with Scripture?

Exactly! I gave you Matthew 1:21 as a proof text. It's a shame you don't believe the word of God.

To God Be The Glory

 

[BlessedPeace]

It is NOT the phrase "as in" or the phrase "so in" that are significant but rather the word "all" in the two views.

I've asked you to read 1 Corinthians 15:22 without any preconceived notions on your part, but you ignored me as if to say you know more than God.

If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant Thank thee Father that is all I needed!

To God Be The Glory

This isn't a matter of feigning to be a prophet. It is a matter of you're misunderstanding what God is telling us in his own words, while you attempt to overcome those with your own.

I don't think that to be wise.