1stCenturyLady
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Would you suggest we do not have free will, or what are you saying that would make more sense to you?
Is Obedience a Condition of Salvation?
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Would you suggest we do not have free will, or what are you saying that would make more sense to you?
Keiw
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Keiw
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Matt 7:22-23 proves you in error. That is judgement scenario. And Jesus clearly teaches-FEW will find the road that leads off into life( be saved)--Jesus obedience opened the door to all men. FEW enter through the narrow gate.
thelord's_pearl
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
Please explain freewill as a Born Again?
Is a Born Again free to do whatever they like?
I think/ believe, you are very much mistaken, a Born Again belongs to God and their freewill is to do God’s will, also if he speaks to you through the Spirit, tells you not to do something, you best not do it, in fact you wouldn’t dare do it.....So, what is God saying here.?
Ephesians 1:4-6
King James Version
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
1 Corinthians 6:15-20
King James Version
15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
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ByGraceThroughFaith
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ByGraceThroughFaith
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Interesting how these "Calvinists" bang on about the "Five Points of Calvinism", also known as TULIP.
Their MAJOR PROBLEM is that John Calvin himself never believed in the L, as in the Death of Jesus Christ being only for the "elect", as taught by these!
Here are Calvin's own words from his commentaries:
John 3:16
“That whosoever believeth on him may not perish. It is a remarkable commendation of faith, that it frees us from everlasting destruction. For he intended expressly to state that, though we appear to have been born to death, undoubted deliverance is offered to us by the faith of Christ; and, therefore, that we ought not to fear death, which otherwise hangs over us. And he has employed the universal term whosoever, both to invite all indiscriminately to partake of life, and to cut off every excuse from unbelievers. Such is also the import of the term World, which he formerly used; for though nothing will be found in the world that is worthy of the favor of God, yet he shows himself to be reconciled to the whole world, when he invites all men without exception to the faith of Christ, which is nothing else than an entrance into life” (emphasis mine)
John 1:29
“Who taketh away the sin of the world. He uses the word sin in the singular number, for any kind of iniquity; as if he had said, that every kind of unrighteousness which alienates men from God is taken away by Christ. And when he says, the sin Of The World, he extends this favor indiscriminately to the whole human race; that the Jews might not think that he had been sent to them alone. But hence we infer that the whole world is involved in the same condemnation; and that as all men without exception are guilty of unrighteousness before God, they need to be reconciled to him. John the Baptist, therefore, by speaking generally of the sin of the world, intended to impress upon us the conviction of our own misery, and to exhort us to seek the remedy. Now our duty is, to embrace the benefit which is offered to all, that each of us may be convinced that there is nothing to hinder him from obtaining reconciliation in Christ, provided that he comes to him by the guidance of faith.” (emphasis mine)
Romans 5:18
“He makes this favor common to all, because it is propounded to all, and not because it is in reality extended to all; for though Christ suffered for the sins of the whole world, and is offered through God's benignity indiscriminately to all, yet all do not receive him” (emphasis mine)
Mark 14:24
“Which is shed for many. By the word many he means not a part of the world only, but the whole human race” (emphasis mine)
This is from the giving of the Lord's Supper, and Judas was very much present for this, as is very clear in Luke's account, and Jesus gave Judas the same wine and bread that represents His shed blood for Judas' sins!
With no L in TULIP, there can be no TUI either, as they stand together!
Calvinism DEBUNKED by John Calvin!
There are literal, figurative and spiritual lessons through the bible. You gotta figure that out. You wont be able to obey everything Jesus daid, the most important is to believe on him (which is knowing about God) the one whom was sent (knowing about Jesus), and either seeking to know them more to build spirituality from a child to an adult.
Child of God to a Son or Daughter.
Or not.
So you decide to obey jesus and love your neighbor and pray for your enemy? Does what Paul or any other apostle in there letters teach you to not be harsh to the rich or the poor?
My opinion is yes, its good to obey Jesus if he is gonna be your Lord. Its good to seek out God in faith and he will bless you mainly spiritually.
Child of God to a Son or Daughter.
Or not.
So you decide to obey jesus and love your neighbor and pray for your enemy? Does what Paul or any other apostle in there letters teach you to not be harsh to the rich or the poor?
My opinion is yes, its good to obey Jesus if he is gonna be your Lord. Its good to seek out God in faith and he will bless you mainly spiritually.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
How do you decide to obey on your own @MatthewG ?
You must be Born Again to obey the Holy Spirit....for without that, you don’t belong to God.
Faith produces obedience. By our obedience we walk on the way, step by step. God has given the Holy Spirit to those who obey Him. (Acts 5:32.) Only by this Spirit do we receive light and power to walk on the way of life
Those who obey him @MatthewG ...have been birthed in the spirit.
Acts 5:32
“And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
We have a living relationship with God through the Holy Spirit, when we become born again.....that’s why we have the helper, who is the Holy Spirit....we learn through him to obey God, as we walk in faith.
We understand more and more as we walk in faith, those who are children of God...we are taught obedience.....
We can’t do anything on our own Mathew as you must know, that God’s word says that?
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Ritajanice,
You make a decision.
Can I ask if you are someone who is new to Christendom?
Thank you for your question,
Matthew
Ritajanice
Born-Again
@MatthewG ....once again you have proved, you are dismissing the word of God ,that I have posted, ..that’s on you, I delivered God’s word to you, I can’t do any more than that....you have chosen to disobey his word by saying, it’s your decision to obey him.
The word of God, that @Matthew has denied.
Acts 5:32
“And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
@Ritajanice,
Man, you are a strange person, but you make your own decision to do and say what you want towards me. I love you anyway.
All the best,
Matthew
Ritajanice
Born-Again
You are trolling....you are not discussing the word of God.
Therefore if you continue on, having this attitude, you will NEVER learn....
Not once have you discussed..the word of God, or even tried to.
That’s on you and self...you are all about self @MatthewG ....in the flesh....and the flesh is definitely against the Spirit.
Galatians 5:16-17 KJV
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
God will bring you to obedience @MatthewG ...make no mistake about that....but, only if you are Born Again...
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@Ritajanice
No judgement here. ( going to walk away and place you on ignore now).
All in love, and good faith, may you continue to grow and learn,
Matthew
No judgement here. ( going to walk away and place you on ignore now).
All in love, and good faith, may you continue to grow and learn,
Matthew
@Ritajanice,
You just wanna teach dont you.
That is good, I support you if you wanna teach, that is really good.
All love to you, please be encouraged to make your own thread, maybe in devotions or something, people will come by and read, and may find encouragement in what you have to share with them.
Anyway, I apologize for calling you a strange person, you are not strange, you just go about communication in a strange way.
But to the question, I had to make a choice to either obey Christ and what he said relying on him by walking in faith, and walking by the spirit. Which causes good things (By the spirit of Christ with-in) to come about rather than being a hard person on someone, just cause someone doesn't like what one may say.
Love to you,
Matthew
You just wanna teach dont you.
That is good, I support you if you wanna teach, that is really good.
All love to you, please be encouraged to make your own thread, maybe in devotions or something, people will come by and read, and may find encouragement in what you have to share with them.
Anyway, I apologize for calling you a strange person, you are not strange, you just go about communication in a strange way.
But to the question, I had to make a choice to either obey Christ and what he said relying on him by walking in faith, and walking by the spirit. Which causes good things (By the spirit of Christ with-in) to come about rather than being a hard person on someone, just cause someone doesn't like what one may say.
Love to you,
Matthew
Ritajanice
Born-Again
@MatthewG ..I have been trying to help you...poking and prodding?.....
I posted scripture did I not..so, why haven’t you addressed it?
Instead of getting all defensive?....listen....I won’t bother you again, but, if you post something that isn’t true, then I will post God’s word on the subject in hand....
If a person is Born Again, they will be brought to obedience by God through the Holy Spirit....of course we learn obedience, by walking in the faith that God gave us and truly trusting in his word.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
@MatthewG ...I am not a teacher..God has not called me to be a teacher..I’m the same as you...I was only trying to help you understand God’s word.
Unfortunately, you dismissed his word as soon as I posted it...imo you have put a wall up..you only want to hear what you want to hear, you will never learn like that @MatthewG .only God can penetrate that wall @MatthewG ...that’s my opinion only.
@Ritajanice,
Can I ask why you tried to help someone when they did not ask for help?
Do you see how that can actually be not helpful? We could have just had a discussion than all of this other stuff, yes the bible is important, and it is the source of medicine for spiritual growth.
I don't see myself as better than you, or over you, but I do like teaching, it's a joy. I have learned the bible for about 6 years going on 7 years now. With ups and downs with addictions from marijuana and meth, but now I am clean and God continues to help me as I go along trusting him.
Maybe we can try again next time, and perhaps sometimes the decision to hold the tongue should be done, and just answer questions and discuss with each other rather casting judgments as though I am not a Christian. Jesus is the Lord and Saviour, and I believe in his death, burial and resurrection.
All in good faith,
Matthew
Ritajanice
Born-Again
I posted scripture...you decided to dismiss it..those who are truly Born Again...will be obedient to the word of God.
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