Revelation 12:5 (also earlier in Revelation 2:26)
Whoever loves the world is an enemy of God.
Tradition Versus Scripture
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Whoever loves the world is an enemy of God.
Yes, the lovers of the world who are also referred to as the “inhabitants of the earth” In Revelation.
As long as what is written in those three Gospels is acknowledged as being true, I don’t see how an intentional changing of the names of the authors would help false teachers take over the church. Without the “complex details“ being provided, how will readers of this thread be able to evaluate your argument? Without having access to details, I doubt many readers will take you seriously. Are you here for the purpose of advertising your book?
It would be best if I could present all the details in this forum, but it is not possible and dist is limited. It’s a dilemma for me because I’ve been asked to present the message to everyone, so the only way is to write books. but how to do it without mentioning the results that are in a book. Im willing most people in this site pray to God to give thanks and ask for guidance in their life. mine have been answered and now I work nearly full time for
…the Lord. I hope the books do sell and spread the message, but I’m not on here to sell books and become a famous author. I don’t even want to be an author, but I want to do what I’m asked. My intention is that if there are any proceeds from the books they are going to be used to further the Word of the Lord.
Since you aren’t going to provide details of your research, I think conversation on the subject has pretty much played out.
Hard for me to fathom why you were banned from three other forums just for believing that the Gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke weren’t written by Matthew, Mark and Luke. You came through high and dry on Christianity Board.
I enjoyed our conversation. If there’s anything else you’d like to discuss with me, look me up on any of the CB forums not marked “Christian Only”. I’ll be around, God willing.
Because some inhabitants of the Earth love inhabiting it, and other inhabitants of the Earth don't.
Ronald David Bruno
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What traditions are you knocking? Can you be specific?
Many traditions are based on Christian customs and beliefs, passed down through generations. Christ has formed and ordered our ways of living, our culture. Worshipping, music, praying, feasts, charity, ceremonial, civil mores, taboos, Thanksgiving, Christmas, Easter, other holidays, foods, anything you want to celebrate unto the Lord. There's lots of good stuff. We could live without a lot of that stuff but it might be kind of dry and dull. We could live as monks in a monestery, deprive ourselves of all material possessions and meditate on the Word all day in silence, isolated from the outside world, pleasure of any kind. No thanks! There is a lot of liberty in being a Christian. God wants us to live life in the full. As long as you are not doing sinful acts, you can do anything you want, get your family to join in, enjoy your time together, make it a traditional event periodically. Something wrong with that? Obviously you are talking about something that goes against scripture, sinful behavior, etc.
>> Mark 7:13
thus making void the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And many such things you do.”
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Blessings Matthias. I have also enjoyed our exchange and thank you for it. I’d love to get into more details of the investigation results, but I wouldn’t know where to start. I can try to address specific questions about the results, but to explain everything is overwhelming. Currently the Lord has me wrapping up the follow-up investigation into prophecy. To give you an idea of what I’ve been working full time on in answer to prayer and visions, here is the book summary I just wrote that will be on the cover:
God’s blessings Matthias. I have also enjoyed our conversation and am happy to address narrow questions, but to explain everything captured in two books is overwhelming. In regards to being kicked off other sites, I have found that many Christians are not able to separate tradition from the word of God, so when I mentioned that my research has found the Gospels to be misnamed, I was called names, rejected, and remover. As I continue to follow where I am being led, this is the message I am to deliver along with the evidence from scripture that separates the two. Time permitting I will look you up in the other forums because my results will benefit those searching for faith because they brought me to faith, and I’m a the worse ever stubborn facts-based skeptic.
The Lord has taken me to Daniel and Revelation that prove the corruption in the church is the main reason for prophecy. To give you an idea of how crazy and beautiful this journey has been for me, yesterday I submitted the following for the book cover:
Unraveling Daniel is a must-read for anyone searching for the meaning of the prophecies written in the books of Daniel and Revelation. The author dissected each verse of Daniel to find that the prophecy of Daniel cannot be understood without considering the book of Revelation. Understand the formerly unsolved meaning of the seventy sevens, 144,000 elect, Daniel 12:12 and 8:14 with the numbers 1290, 1335, and 2300, and the number 1,260 presented in Revelation 12:6. No longer is the prophecy in Daniel and Revelation a mystery that is hidden from the world.
The Lord has told me in another vision that it’s time to speak out and be bold! I woke up this morning with the following praise music in my head, “Who rescued me from the grave? Yahweh, Yahweh.…Nobody but Jesus!”
Ahhh….I’m going by the definition of “inhabitants of the earth” from Revelation that these are people who reject Jesus.
I think you summarized it beautifully except for the point about meditating on the word all day. If we meditated on the word all day we would stop sinning, but like you said, this is Beverly difficult to do because we have other daily commitments. Much of the CATS in the church is there to deceivenand this is whatbthe Lord has been pointing me to find and reveal. The Gospel author names were not “lost” they were removed and replaced by false teachers who created a story to put them in power over the church. I’ll give you an example from prophecy that explains the difference between scripture and tradition. Chapter five of Revelation provides a description of what the church on earth is to look like. Revelation 5:8 from the NIV tells us that in the church, the worship prayers of the people in the church are to go through Jesus, then the “incense, which are the prayers of God’s people” are described through the rest of chapter five. We get to chapter eight and the prayers coming to Jesus through the church are different, the incense is no longer the prayer - there is “smoke of the incense, TOGETHER with the prayers of God’s people“. (Revelation 8:4). The prayers of God’s people are mixed in with unecessary things coming from the words of men and women. This is tradition.
Tradition is not welcome in the church. Praise Jesus with all your heart, mind, soul, and every elder in the church is to run a church in this manner. Jesus gave a simple message in John 5:24: “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crosses over from death to life.” this is a very simple message, so why then is the church so confused and split? Tradition!!! one church creates a brand of incenses, then another….
it isn’t a coincidence that the disciple who heard Jesus say this told us about the mixed up worship in the church presented in Revelation. Through John 5:24, Jesus told us believe and we will not be judged!!! Why then is there all this CATS about people in the church anticipating a seven year tribulations and Antichrist. The antichrist is already in the church through tradition, and although the ”great tribulation” (Revelation 7:14) gphas already ended, the persecution of those who simply want the church to worship Jesus and only Jesus continues.
i know I rambled on a bit because I am wrapping up the prophecy investigation. I promised myself that I would not open a can of worms (Wormwood?) because the complete message of prophecy will not
be out for another 5-6 months when Decoding Revelation is issued, but I cannot seem to stop talking about what the Lord is revealing to me. Do I have all the answers? Of course not, I have what the Lord is trying to show me, and I know that sometimes my thick skull is misunderstanding. I do my best to understand and I write and discuss.
Blessings to you all! I hit the road again today so I will be on hit or miss.
I realize that was a long answer to a simple question. In summary, if the words or actions of people in the church take the focus off Jesus and misdirect the assembly to follow something else, you are being taught tradition. If the elder in your church teaches that the words of people are equal to the word of God, he or she is removing Jesus from the church. ALL teaching in the church is to point back to scripture for clarification and not the words of other people. You must not follow the words of this preacher of that preacher, or, this church organization or that church organization, only follow the words of Jesus. Base your beliefs ONLY on scripture.
That's not in the text. The inhabitants of the Earth face the Dragon, but they don't "deserve" his wrath.
Yes, woe because of the trumpets, but greater woe still for the wrath of the Dragon (Revelation 12:12).
You would have been right, if you had said "they are tempted to reject Jesus"
Revelation 17:8, not only are they tempted, but they reject Jesus and are judged and condemned.
The anti-Christ judges and blasphemes them, but those that turn the other cheek are saved.
That's what it is to respond with the word: it turns away wrath.
Well so if the wrath of the anti-Christ is turned away: he is no longer an enemy.
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