Pre-Trib Rapture Danger To Your Soul

[teamventure]

Evidence for what I said before: No Scripture support offered whatsoever, so that's just more 'mouthing' off.

you haven't provided any scriptural support whatsoever for your claim that the rapture is a salvation issue, which is your claim so the burden of proof is on you. All you do is accuse others of doing what you yourself are doing which are the tactics of someone with no argument and it's manipulative.

 

[teamventure]

Evidence for what I said before: No Scripture support offered whatsoever, so that's just more 'mouthing' off.

So where is your scripture that the rapture is a savation issue?
I'm still waiting.

 

[Nancy]

This is really so easily solved if we are prepared either way. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Davy]

This is really so easily solved if we are prepared either way. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Not so.

And I already explained it in my previous posts here.

But certain ones here that live on the false pre-trib rapture theory from men don't like what I showed directly from Bible Scripture, like Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 where Jesus was emphatic that His future coming and gathering of His saints is Immediately AFTER the tribulation.

Moreover, Jesus gave a metaphor about being found "with child" on the day of vengeance.

Luke 21:20-23
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
KJV

The "days of vengeance" is about the Isaiah 61:2 event which Lord Jesus did not quote at the start of His Ministry (Luke 4). It's because that day is the day of GOD's vengeance upon the wicked of this world! It is called the "day of the Lord" per the OT prophets, and by Apostles Paul and Peter.

So here's the QUESTION:

So WHY will there be WRATH upon those above found "with child" on that day? Many miss that "days of vengeance" not understanding that is about the last day of this world with God's judgement upon the wicked and ending this present world.

It's because Jesus was not pointing to literally pregnant women during the great tribulation. He was pointing to SPIRITUAL HARLOTS that did NOT... wait on Christ Jesus' coming, and INSTEAD worshipped another in place of Jesus!

Well just WHO is coming first to CLAIM he is The Christ, working great signs, wonders, and miracles to deceive the whole world with? Lord Jesus warned us about that 1st one coming that is a false one, so none of us have any excuse to NOT remain "a chaste virgin" waiting for the True Christ like Apostle Paul told us (2 Corinthians 11).

And I am only TEACHING what God's Word is pointing directly to. And those Scripture proofs I have shown CONFLICTS with those who instead wish to follow men's false doctrine of a pre-trib rapture theory, because if they don't WAIT for Christ's coming after that 1st false Messiah shows up, then that means NOT remaining "a chaste virgin" for Jesus Christ. Simple as that. This is even what the 'travail with child' spiritual metaphor is about. God used in His OT prophets, so many here that don't understand this only show their lack of Old Testament study.

 

[Nancy]

Not so.

And I already explained it in my previous posts here.

But certain ones here that live on the false pre-trib rapture theory from men don't like what I showed directly from Bible Scripture, like Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 where Jesus was emphatic that His future coming and gathering of His saints is Immediately AFTER the tribulation.

Moreover, Jesus gave a metaphor about being found "with child" on the day of vengeance.

Luke 21:20-23
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
KJV

The "days of vengeance" is about the Isaiah 61:2 event which Lord Jesus did not quote at the start of His Ministry (Luke 4). It's because that day is the day of GOD's vengeance upon the wicked of this world! It is called the "day of the Lord" per the OT prophets, and by Apostles Paul and Peter.

So here's the QUESTION:

So WHY will there be WRATH upon those above found "with child" on that day? Many miss that "days of vengeance" not understanding that is about the last day of this world with God's judgement upon the wicked and ending this present world.

It's because Jesus was not pointing to literally pregnant women during the great tribulation. He was pointing to SPIRITUAL HARLOTS that did NOT... wait on Christ Jesus' coming, and INSTEAD worshipped another in place of Jesus!

Well just WHO is coming first to CLAIM he is The Christ, working great signs, wonders, and miracles to deceive the whole world with? Lord Jesus warned us about that 1st one coming that is a false one, so none of us have any excuse to NOT remain "a chaste virgin" waiting for the True Christ like Apostle Paul told us (2 Corinthians 11).

And I am only TEACHING what God's Word is pointing directly to. And those Scripture proofs I have shown CONFLICTS with those who instead wish to follow men's false doctrine of a pre-trib rapture theory, because if they don't WAIT for Christ's coming after that 1st false Messiah shows up, then that means NOT remaining "a chaste virgin" for Jesus Christ. Simple as that. This is even what the 'travail with child' spiritual metaphor is about. God used in His OT prophets, so many here that don't understand this only show their lack of Old Testament study.

Davy, I agree with you but nobody will see the implications of a Pre trib rapture if they believe it so thoroughly...And, we can't badger while, yes...using scripture as they too have their talking points. I happen to be a post tribber but, I am not certain so, that's why I say we should be ready, get that oil while we can!! :)

 

[Davy]

Davy, I agree with you but nobody will see the implications of a Pre trib rapture if they believe it so thoroughly...And, we can't badger while, yes...using scripture as they too have their talking points. I happen to be a post tribber but, I am not certain so, that's why I say we should be ready, get that oil while we can!! :)

Doesn't matter to me if those who 'want' to believe the false pre-trib rapture theory from men. I don't care if those listen to the actual Bible Scriptures I post as proof, or not.

It's the 1% that will... take time to listen, and actually GO VERIFY for theirselves in God's written Word, that I care about.

 

[Nancy]

Doesn't matter to me if those who 'want' to believe the false pre-trib rapture theory from men. I don't care if those listen to the actual Bible Scriptures I post as proof, or not.

It's the 1% that will... take time to listen, and actually GO VERIFY for theirselves in God's written Word, that I care about.

My personal verification is ALWAYS in check. "Be a Berean" is all that is needed. Everybody will stand before God, alone. If we simply listened to a talking head without either already knowing it is sound or checking against scripture.

That's on every individual to choose...right or wrong.

 

[Davy]

My personal verification is ALWAYS in check. "Be a Berean" is all that is needed. Everybody will stand before God, alone. If we simply listened to a talking head without either already knowing it is sound or checking against scripture.

That's on every individual to choose...right or wrong.

I only wished that all my brethren in Christ Jesus thought like that. But the reality is that they do not, and many while even claiming they do.

 

[The Light]

Not so.

And I already explained it in my previous posts here.

But certain ones here that live on the false pre-trib rapture theory from men don't like what I showed directly from Bible Scripture, like Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 where Jesus was emphatic that His future coming and gathering of His saints is Immediately AFTER the tribulation.

You seem to be unaware that the gathering that takes place immediately after the tribulation is the gathering from HEAVEN AND EARTH.

Mark 13
27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

It is the Church that is gathered from heaven.

What YOU teach, THE TEACHINGS OF MAN, comes from Augustine. The early Church was watching for the return of Messiah. Augustine changed that with his false teachings.

Well just WHO is coming first to CLAIM he is The Christ, working great signs, wonders, and miracles to deceive the whole world with? Lord Jesus warned us about that 1st one coming that is a false one, so none of us have any excuse to NOT remain "a chaste virgin" waiting for the True Christ like Apostle Paul told us (2 Corinthians 11).

And I am only TEACHING what God's Word is pointing directly to. And those Scripture proofs I have shown CONFLICTS with those who instead wish to follow men's false doctrine of a pre-trib rapture theory, because if they don't WAIT for Christ's coming after that 1st false Messiah shows up, then that means NOT remaining "a chaste virgin" for Jesus Christ. Simple as that. This is even what the 'travail with child' spiritual metaphor is about. God used in His OT prophets, so many here that don't understand this only show their lack of Old Testament study.

What you teach does not agree with scripture. Simple as that. The Lord is at the door, and you are totally unaware.

Time is running out. There are 5 wise and 5 foolish. The wise enter and the door is shut.

 

[Cassandra]

Davy, I agree with you but nobody will see the implications of a Pre trib rapture if they believe it so thoroughly...And, we can't badger while, yes...using scripture as they too have their talking points. I happen to be a post tribber but, I am not certain so, that's why I say we should be ready, get that oil while we can!! :)

Yes!!!! I am not a rapture pretribber either, but I figure if we love the Lord, and serve Him, if there was a pre-trib rapture, then He would take us too.

 

[Davy]

Yes!!!! I am not a rapture pretribber either, but I figure if we love the Lord, and serve Him, if there was a pre-trib rapture, then He would take us too.

But that attitude is exactly why I am trying to show Lord Jesus' warnings about the very end of this world with the coming of a false-Messiah first. That event is specifically for our times, as I strongly believe we are now in the final generation that will literally 'see' Jesus' future coming.

I don't want any brothers-sisters in Christ to be deceived by that coming false-Christ that is to work great signs and wonders that will be so... powerful in deception, that if possible, would deceive even Christ's very (chosen) elect.

Can't stress this Scripture warning of that coming pseudo-Christ enough for those living at the end today. All the chaos and war and strife happening today is only in prep for that coming pseudo-Christ who will cure all the world's woes and problems, and will promise you anything, pay off all your debts, give you your heart's desire, only if you will bow in worship to him (in place of Jesus). Nor will those who are deceived realize that will not be our True Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Nancy]

Yes!!!! I am not a rapture pretribber either, but I figure if we love the Lord, and serve Him, if there was a pre-trib rapture, then He would take us too.

 

[Cassandra]

But that attitude is exactly why I am trying to show Lord Jesus' warnings about the very end of this world with the coming of a false-Messiah first. That event is specifically for our times, as I strongly believe we are now in the final generation that will literally 'see' Jesus' future coming.

I don't want any brothers-sisters in Christ to be deceived by that coming false-Christ that is to work great signs and wonders that will be so... powerful in deception, that if possible, would deceive even Christ's very (chosen) elect.

Can't stress this Scripture warning of that coming pseudo-Christ enough for those living at the end today. All the chaos and war and strife happening today is only in prep for that coming pseudo-Christ who will cure all the world's woes and problems, and will promise you anything, pay off all your debts, give you your heart's desire, only if you will bow in worship to him (in place of Jesus). Nor will those who are deceived realize that will not be our True Lord Jesus Christ.

I'm sorry. What i was meaning was that would be a silly thing--to serve Jesus and if there were a rapture, to be left. I understand that you are fervent in your beliefs but perhaps take a bit to read a bit more slowly :)

I do not believe in a rapture. I believe God's people will go through tribulation, and then when Christ comes it will be visible and audible event. 1Thess 4:16-18 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

We will meet our Lord in the air visibly. Every eye shall see Him.. He takes us up.



I also believe there will be a pseudo Christ appearing, and the stage is being set for a one world religion.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Davy, I agree with you but nobody will see the implications of a Pre trib rapture if they believe it so thoroughly...And, we can't badger while, yes...using scripture as they too have their talking points.

Precious friend, Nancy. Thanks So Much! Your statement is very encouraging to me, who
believes in:

God's Great GRACE Departure!

Far Better than being condemned for my Scriptural view - thanks again.

Amen.

 

[Nancy]

Precious friend, Nancy. Thanks So Much! Your statement is very encouraging to me, who
believes in:

God's Great GRACE Departure!

Far Better than being condemned for my Scriptural view - thanks again.
Amen.

I would not do that with anyone other than a certain doctrine that rears its's ugly head every so often through my days.
I will refrain from naming this particular doctrine as it would edify not a single person!

In Him always..

 

[Davy]

I'm sorry. What i was meaning was that would be a silly thing--to serve Jesus and if there were a rapture, to be left. I understand that you are fervent in your beliefs but perhaps take a bit to read a bit more slowly :)

I do not believe in a rapture. I believe God's people will go through tribulation, and then when Christ comes it will be visible and audible event. 1Thess 4:16-18 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

We will meet our Lord in the air visibly. Every eye shall see Him.. He takes us up.



I also believe there will be a pseudo Christ appearing, and the stage is being set for a one world religion.

Lord Jesus does not come to rapture us out before the "great tribulation" He warned about. The Scriptures I've pointed to time and time again confirm His coming to gather His faithful Church after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27).

So those who have been taught to 'deny' that Scripture proof of when He is to come, will be deceived to the false-Messiah that is to come first. Can't get any slower in Bible study than that. Either one believes it as written, or they are an apostate away from Christ Jesus.

 

[Cassandra]

I know there is no rapture!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. That is what I said !!!!!!!After the Antichrist after our tribulation, the Lord comes.
His coming is literal, , audible, and visible to all!!
Every eye shall see Him!

Don't discount everyone though. Perhaps with study they will change their minds. We are all on different walks--some are farther than others. It is not fair of you to state that they are apostate in Christ. You do not know their condition. You do not know what the Holy Spirit has revealed to them through the Word, or yet will reveal. I have seen you tube video of folk who believe in the rapture, good godly people, who were enlightened by the Spirit that the rapture is not true.

I am so thankful that God is our Judge, and Christ is our Advocate!

 

[Davy]

I know there is no rapture!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. That is what I said !!!!!!!After the Antichrist after our tribulation, the Lord comes.
His coming is literal, , audible, and visible to all!!
Every eye shall see Him!

There will be a 'rapture', i.e., a gathering of the saints by Lord Jesus when He comes. But the TIMING when that happens is what is important, and what He stressed in His Olivet discourse. That is the ONLY time when He gathers His 'faithful' Church, after the tribulation like He showed.

The Matthew 24:31 and Mark 13:27 verses that reveal 'where' those saints are gathered from links directly to what Apostle Paul taught in 1 Thessalonians 4, and the "last trump" events of 1 Corinthians 15.

Linked with understanding Paul in 1 Corinthians 15 reveals that the event of being "caught up" (raptured) to Jesus in the "air" on the day of His coming, is actually about being 'changed' to our "spiritual body" on the "last trump" (7th trumpet). That is HOW Christ's 'faithful' Church will be gathered to Him, and to the resurrected asleep saints He brings with Him on that day.

And then per Zechariah 14, He then returns to the Mount of Olives on that same day of His coming, with ALL His 'faithful' saints. And Jerusalem on earth is where He and His elect will reign from.

Don't discount everyone though. Perhaps with study they will change their minds. We are all on different walks--some are farther than others. It is not fair of you to state that they are apostate in Christ. You do not know their condition. You do not know what the Holy Spirit has revealed to them through the Word, or yet will reveal. I have seen you tube video of folk who believe in the rapture, good godly people, who were enlightened by the Spirit that the rapture is not true.

I am so thankful that God is our Judge, and Christ is our Advocate!

Many that are going to fall away to the coming false-Messiah are not meant to understand during this world who that false one will be. Thus his identity will not be 'revealed' to them until the day of Jesus' future coming. Could their ignorance and deception be a type of spiritual protection God has put upon them by blinding them? I'd like to think so, because if they fall away to worship the false-Messiah that comes first, then they would be held 'accountable' to perish in the future "lake of fire".

So I well know that many are not going to understand about Satan himself coming to earth to play the pseudo-Christ in Jerusalem for the end of this world.

 

[Cassandra]

And then per Zechariah 14, He then returns to the Mount of Olives on that same day of His coming, with ALL His 'faithful' saints. And Jerusalem on earth is where He and His elect will reign from.

Why would He come back the same day He left?

 

[Davy]

Why would He come back the same day He left?

Lord Jesus doesn't go back up into Heaven with His elect when He comes. He comes from Heaven directly to the Mount of Olives, with all His saints, on the day of His coming.

You sound like you have succumbed to man's false pre-trib rapture theory which instead wrongly teaches Jesus raptures His saints to Heaven 'prior' to the tribulation, and then comes back with His saints at the end of the tribulation. That idea is nowhere written in God's Word.

Have you not understood 1 Thessalonians 4 that Jesus brings the resurrected 'asleep' saints with Him from Heaven when He comes to gather His alive saints that are still alive on earth?